Homosexual slavery

[PrayerGirl]

I am a female, was born a female. But I feel more comfortable thinking of myself as male and dating women. I am a Christian but I struggle with homosexuality in a big way. Sometimes I have trouble comprehending why my behavior is wrong, so I need some feedback. Please explain why this is wrong from a Biblical perspective--and I've seen the verses, I just want your own explanations if possible.
Please, this is a big struggle for me and I just want relief from it. I can't get relief until I stop justifying myself.
I would also love an accountability partner, but I don't know how to go about getting one...
Any advice?
Thank you...

[livingwaters]

If you know the verses, how can you justify yourself? God doesn't change, niether does HIS Word....The Bible says it, we should believe it, and that should settle it! It's not about us, it's all about JESUS!!:hug:

Try to find some Christian counseling, such as a pastor! You said you were a Christian....When were you born-again?

God bless!

[PrayerGirl]

I was born again at 13... And while the verses say it's wrong, I still can't ignore myself. I like women and I feel nothing for men. I feel male.

[tt1106]

Prayergirl, I suffered from unbelief. I was an Atheist. I couldn't imagine a God, let alone one who loved me or cared about me. I thought Christians were deluded.
It's very similar. I didn't really get saved until I started to question why I was who I was, why I had suffered what I had suffered and why I felt the way I felt.
In your case, Homosexuality is contrary to God's plan for his people.
That is the end of it. God created Adam and Eve as a representation of perfection. Although they were not. The model for that relationship, is the model of marriage. There is a commonality there.
Having an attraction for the same sex, sorry to be blunt, but it is contrary to what God intended and is a result of the curse on the Earth. Having said that, that does not mean that you are not a wonderful person.
We are all flawed in one way or another. As I mentioned, my stronghold sins are pride and unbelief. Fortunately for all of us, we can overcome these things,with the help of Christ.
1st, we must recognize that they are wrong. Until we do that, there is no hope. If we do not recognize them as being wrong, then we will not truly seek deliverance from them and we will remain as we are.
God Bless,

tt1106


Your assertion that you feel male is fine. Christianity is not about feelings. It's about a covenant relationship. Our feelings are seldom things we should base our faith or our actions on.

[JohnnieGuy]

Understandable. I feel like looking at pornography and engaging in premarital sex sometimes. I wondered why God wanted me to wait for marriage. I chose to be rebellious. It caused untold spiritual, physical, mental, and emotional damage that I, with God's grace, MIGHT one day recover completely from. It took me straying for God to teach me WHY He considers it a sin.

It is a sin because He made sex to be enjoyed between a man and a woman within the commitment of marriage, and anything else leads to death.(emotional, spiritual, physical, etc.)

If you are a Christian (and it took a while for me to figure this out too) then you take God at His Word, even if you don't understand or don't feel a certain way.

Feelings come from our heart, and:

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9

I know it's hard to out to death our flesh, and the desires thereof, but the fact you are even asking this point to evidence that you already agree with God. If you didn't, you wouldn't ask it. I know it's hard to trust God sometimes, but trust Him and the ride will be a lot more smooth sailing. If you truly are God's child and you do not, and choose to disobey, He will bring you to repentance, and it will be very painful, and you might have to suffer the consequences for your entire life.

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son (and daughter) whom he receiveth. Hebrews 12:6

Praying for you.

[livingwaters]

Do you have a church? Do you know a pastor? You cannot deal with this in your natural strength....get some help.....start fellowship with someone who can help you to understand that you MUST crucify self, EVERYDAY, not just once in a lifetime, EVERYDAY! Satan wants your soul and he wants to destroy your mind....don't give him the victory over your life, when JESUS paid with HIS BLOOD for the sins of all.....don't do it!!! Go talk to a pastor!

God bless.:hug:

[Warrior4God]

I'm sorry you struggle with attraction to other females. There are various reasons why some women are lesbians. Various types of fears of men, sometimes brought on by abuse. The trendy lesbian/bisexual mania that seems to be raging in many places. The possibility that some, though small, percentage of women may have a genetic tendency towards lesbianism. Whatever the reasons, lesbianism is not part of God's will for women. If you honestly feel you will never be attracted to men in a sexual manner, and if you are serious about being a Christian, you may have to live a celibate life. I know that's harsh sounding, but it's true. That doesn't mean you won't have friends and family to love and share their lives with. It just means you won't be able to have a romantic/sexual relationship with somebody. There's just no real wiggle room here in this matter. God is not ok with homosexuality. Yes, he loves you. He even allowed His Son to die on a cross for you. However, He didn't do that so you (or any of us) can continue to live a life of sin, no matter how much it may seem or feel right for you to do so. This may be a life long struggle for you. Lean on God and others for support when you feel it's too much to bear. You'll need it. Also, Satan will try to come and tempt you to give in and do what feels right for you to do. Don't cave in to him. The Devil wants nothing more than to ruin your life and see you go to eternity in Hell.

[Manasseh's Warrior]

There is much ignorance surrounding the area of sexual brokenness, manifested by homosexual thoughts/feelings, bisexuality, transvestism and so on. BUT, there is help available. Please check out a ministry called Exodus International (pls do a search online). They minister to those who struggle with same-sex attraction and other areas of sexual and relational dysfunction and struggles. I know they have offhoot ministries and they may possibly be one in or near your area.

Most Christians you try and talk to about this issue will not know how to help you and sadly will say things that are really not going to be of help to you. As I said, there is much ignorance in the Church regarding homosexuality.

It's causes are complex and deeply rooted; there is no set or pat answer but the majority of those afflicted with same-sex attraction have indeed been sexually abused at one time in their life. Not all, but a really high percentage.

John and Paula Sandford started a ministry known as the Eliliah House, and they have written some excellent books that may be of some assistance to you: "Transformation of the Inner Man" and "Healing the Wounded Spirit" for starters. There is a section on homosexuality in one of the books and while I do not actually agree with everythign that state, they are correct IMO in other ways. This is a complex issue and requires much wisdom and counsel from people led by the HOLY SPIRIT, and requires much inner healing and also probably deliverance as well.

Please search for Exodus International online and see if u can get in touch with someone online. You need to find people who understand the issues of sexual brokenness and gender identity confusion (i.e. your feeling like you are the wrong sex, etc. You are not alone!). I so urge the Exodus ministry because as I have said, the overwhelming majority of Christians do not know what they are talking about and may well do u more harm than good and I have cringed just reading some of the replies you received on here.

I am praying for you and for God to lead you to the right person/avenue/ministries to assist you and lead and guide you to and through lasting healing. You may not have to suffer and struggle with this your entire life, for Jesus came to set captives free and whom the Son sets free is free indeed! It just may take some time to receive ministry and healing from Jesus in the areas where u are wounded and requiring healing and restoration to fullness of your femininity, etc.

If u have accepted Jesus, you are saved. You are born again, as u said, and were at age 13. You are asking the right questions in coming on here and sharing what u did. I pray anything I have said has helped u in any way.

God bless you, keep you, lead and take you by the hand...

Sincerely,

MW

[Warrior4God]

Most Christians you try and talk to about this issue will not know how to help you and sadly will say things that are really not going to be of help to you. As I said, there is much ignorance in the Church regarding homosexuality.

I so urge the Exodus ministry because as I have said, the overwhelming majority of Christians do not know what they are talking about and may well do u more harm than good and I have cringed just reading some of the replies you received on here.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly was said here that makes you cringe? That homosexuality is sin and is a life not becoming of a Christian? That's in the Bible. That the original poster may have to live a life of celibacy if she can't get over her lesbian attraction to other women? Again, that's biblical. The bible makes it plain that people can live a life of celibacy. It's not only possible, it's what would have to happen in the life of somebody who wants to have sex with people of the same gender and has no honest desire to be with the opposite gender. Well, celibacy would be required if they want to be a follower of Christ, that is. If not, then people can have sex with who, or what, they like, I suppose. Yes, most people have a natural desire to be romantically and sexually involved with somebody. God designed the human race that way. However, to be attracted to somebody of the same sex, whatever the reason(s), is unnatural and God doesn't compromise in this area just to make people feel better or to be politically correct. Nobody here is saying a lesbian woman or gay man is the worst kind of sinner. God hates all sin. Adultery. Lying. Stealing. Murder. The list goes on. There are more straight people than gay people, so in all reality, straights actually commit more sin than homosexuals do. :hmm: Homosexuals don't have a monopoly on sin, and I don't think anybody here stated or even implied such a thing. :dunno:

[lbeaty1981]

Most Christians you try and talk to about this issue will not know how to help you and sadly will say things that are really not going to be of help to you. As I said, there is much ignorance in the Church regarding homosexuality.

I would have to respectfully disagree with this statement. It wasn't until I went to the church and spoke with the leader of our men's group that I was really able to begin walking on a path of healing (feel free to read my testimony, link's in my sig). Granted, it should be someone you trust, but confessing this to a trusted brother or sister in Christ can do wonders for your healing. :)

[Slug1]

This is not a debate forum... focus on the OP, help them with scripture or personal experience on how Jesus has healed you of this specific sin. Let's not let our opinion overshadow what God can do... He will heal, has and will continue to heal those of this sin and all others.

[Warrior4God]

This is not a debate forum... focus on the OP, help them with scripture or personal experience on how Jesus has healed you of this specific sin. Let's not let our opinion overshadow what God can do... He will heal, has and will continue to heal those of this sin and all others.


I hear, and I'm sure most others do as well, what you're saying here, but what has been put forth isn't really "opinion." It's actually biblical based reasoning that may "offend" some people, which is fine. The Bible and it's Gospel "offends" people all the time. Jesus said it would. This even happens with some who call themselves Christians, as well. ;) But, I'm sure we'll all respect your expectations for this thread. :D

[Manasseh's Warrior]

Most Christians you try and talk to about this issue will not know how to help you and sadly will say things that are really not going to be of help to you. As I said, there is much ignorance in the Church regarding homosexuality.

I so urge the Exodus ministry because as I have said, the overwhelming majority of Christians do not know what they are talking about and may well do u more harm than good and I have cringed just reading some of the replies you received on here.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly was said here that makes you cringe? That homosexuality is sin and is a life not becoming of a Christian? That's in the Bible. That the original poster may have to live a life of celibacy if she can't get over her lesbian attraction to other women? Again, that's biblical. The bible makes it plain that people can live a life of celibacy. It's not only possible, it's what would have to happen in the life of somebody who wants to have sex with people of the same gender and has no honest desire to be with the opposite gender. Well, celibacy would be required if they want to be a follower of Christ, that is. If not, then people can have sex with who, or what, they like, I suppose. Yes, most people have a natural desire to be romantically and sexually involved with somebody. God designed the human race that way. However, to be attracted to somebody of the same sex, whatever the reason(s), is unnatural and God doesn't compromise in this area just to make people feel better or to be politically correct. Nobody here is saying a lesbian woman or gay man is the worst kind of sinner. God hates all sin. Adultery. Lying. Stealing. Murder. The list goes on. There are more straight people than gay people, so in all reality, straights actually commit more sin than homosexuals do. :hmm: Homosexuals don't have a monopoly on sin, and I don't think anybody here stated or even implied such a thing. :dunno:
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So sorry, I should have clarified. No, stating the Word of GOd did not nor does not make me cringe. There was really one or two posts whose content, did make me, cringe.
In that the poster clearly had little to no understanding... UNDERSTANDING, of the very vast complexity or difficulty of this sort of struggle... more a "Well get over it, pray" sorta response. Which really is not very helpful at all.

There are too many who offer "advice", however well-intentioned perhaps, who have NO IDEA what it is like, the suffering, pain, of those involved in the sexual brokenness described and alluded to by the OP.

Such individuals really need to not post, IMO.

It is not natural to be attacted to the same sex and not many will dispute that, but just stating that... is not helpful. The sufferer STILL has the attraction, irregardless of words spoken otherwise. There is absolutely ZERO quick fix for this affliction from hell.

I dont see people as "gay" or "straight". I see them as people with problems, period. Different manifestions outwardly, but similar roots deep within. Some tethers more strongly held and rooted than others.

How many of u here are oveweight, in some cases grossly so, but recoil when faced with words such as "gluttony", lack of "self control" and "unnatural"?

Fighting words, or not?

We are all brothers and sisters IN CHRIST.

Ive been really aghast, to be honest, at the utter lack of love shown in the Body towards those suffering so much in the areas of sexual brokenness. So willing to throw those ones under a bus... when they need healing just as much as YOU do (emphasis mine, to no one "group" in particular).

I am

IN CHRIST JESUS,

MW

[Sold Out]

I would also love an accountability partner, but I don't know how to go about getting one...
Any advice?
Thank you...

You need to get in contact with a local chapter of Exodus International. This is a Christian ministry that helps people struggling with SGA (same-gender attraction). Here's the main website. They have ministries in most major cities:

http://www.exodus-international.org/

[Desperaux]

I was born again at 13... And while the verses say it's wrong, I still can't ignore myself. I like women and I feel nothing for men. I feel male.

It doesn't matter what we feel. Feelings are no barometers of truth. They lie. In fact the devil is a total liar and he will imprint our minds with lies. Somewhere along the line in your life, you have embraced a lie.

Some children may act more like the opposite gender in their speech, dress or behaviour and their peers slot them into a category--erroneously, out of sheer ignorance and malice. Could that have happened to you?


Rejoice in the fact that the Lord created you female and begin to live.

[cheech]

There is another reason for homosexuality that people refuse to believe and are more apt to blame it on genetics...spiritual doors that were opened somewhere along the way. That door could have been opened by someone in the family. They are also opened when one is sexually abused. I know this to be true as my husband and I run a biblical recovery program and are dealing with a homosexual man who has lived this life and has had these feelings since he was young. He wants to be free of it because he knows it is a stronghold of the enemy that keeps him bound and not what God intended him to be. This is totally his decision and does fight the temptations just as others fight temptations of addiction, sexual immorality, anger, jealousy, gambling, etc. Remember...we are dealing with emotions and homosexuality deals with emotions. If someone has a lust stronghold, can their chains be broken by Christ? If someone has a stronghold of anger, can their chains be broken? I know someone who had a masturbation addiction since his teens and the Lord broke his chains and he has been free ever since with no desire for it. Why would homosexuality be too difficult for the Lord to break?

Many times we put limits on the Lord but there is no limit to what the Lord can do. Yes, homosexuality is regarded as sexual immorality, just like fornication, adultery, incest, etc. We should not be concerned about the views of other people, be concerned about the views of God and what he has written in his bible and what he commands. The fact that he is against it should be enough for us.

I know just from dealing with one of our recovery members that the temptations and emotions of homosexuality are strong but it is not impossible for God to remove it. I do call it a stronghold and after what I've seen there is nothing that can convince me otherwise. Doors were opened in my family to depression and anxiety. While some in my family are on or have been on medication for it, adn I was on it for 30 days, I chose to bring it to the Lord. There were things he showed me I needed to deal with and why I was suffering from it. I was angry and held in that anger. I wasn't a forgiving person and I needed to learn how to forgive...a big factor right there. I had been in situations where I was hurt, rejected and made to feel unworthy. These are all things I had to learn to deal with and surrender to the Lord. This wasn't an overnight process but took alot of time. Each layer the Lord picked up to clean was a time of facing reality and past memories and hurts and it was painful, but God healed me. I don't suffer from depression anymore and anxiety attacks are rare as I've learned how to give my worries to God. By no means am I telling anyone to jump off their meds so I want to make that clear. What I am saying is that their isn't one thing the Lord can't heal...we just have to be willing to work through it with him and sometimes that means going through some deep dark valleys to get to the other side.

Just some things to think about...everyone gave good answers!