Quick Links
Bible Search Christian Links
Online Bibles Link to Us
  Downloads Web Hosting  
  Domain Names  


PDA

View Full Version : Prayer (3)


kayte
Jul 14th 2004, 03:57 PM
Chapter Three

Why should we pray? If God knows everything, which He surely does, then what is the point? Is it possible for us to change God’s mind, to twist His arm by our sheer determination? Can we prompt God to move in a situation that He had no plans to intervene in? Is prayer a matter of us wielding power and influence? Is the purpose of prayer merely to ‘get’?

Most of us shudder at the sight of those words actually written down, yet isn’t it how many approach prayer at one time or another?

Unfortunately when we go at prayer in that manner we miss so much. We miss what God Himself designed prayer to be. Why He wants us to pray.
In Matthew 6:10 Jesus’ lesson in prayer continues: “Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.”
Your kingdom come… it’s His kingdom, not ours. Your will be done… His will, not ours. Does heaven run on the principle of ‘do your own thing by what seems right to you, and if you get in a pinch then call on God and tell Him what He needs to do’? Of course not… the idea of that is totally repellent to us. Yet that is the course of many, many Christians on earth.
“Your will be done on earth as it in heaven.”
What is His will?

Part of the answer lies in Jesus’ prayer in John 17. Lets look at verses 20-26.

“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me.
And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them and I in them.”#

That we may be one in Him. That our relationship be so strong, so close that we are one in Him. In John 15 Jesus speaks about abiding in Him. He is the vine, we are the branches.

The vine and the branches are one. The branch has no life apart from the vine, also the vine and the branches have the same purpose.

The branch only reflects and produces what is in the vine. Imagine a branch on a honeysuckle vine producing limes or bananas. How about a fragile morning glory vine shoving out a watermelon? Okay—maybe this belongs in the book “Worthless Things to Ponder”, but what about the fruit that we produce when we’re abiding in Christ?

The person abiding in Him… being one in Him will produce His kind of fruit.

When I look at the fruit in my own life the evidence is all to clear. It’s obvious when I’m abiding in Him. There is love. John 15:10: “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”

There is joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. (Galatians 5:22,23)

But when I turn myself from Him, when I meander off and try to take root somewhere apart from the vine, my fruit is vastly different.

There is love, oh yes. Love of self. Passionately pursuing my own comfort, my own pleasure, my own way… my own will. The desires of my heart change, my vision shifts and I grow discontent. In short—I develop an “I” problem and it affects every area of my life, including prayer.

I don’t mean to say that I stop praying, no… I continue on with great zeal. But how I pray changes. I grow awkward and petulant with God. My ideas of what God should do leap to the foreground, sounding immensely wise and good in my own ears. My prayers become very ‘me’ focused, rather than God focused.

So often we pray standing in the greatest of sympathy for the one suffering. Our hearts are wrung out as we claim victories over the circumstances of our fellow men. Thanking God that He has the power to sweep away the circumstances that threaten to undermine the faith of the sufferer. (This is how we see suffering when we’re struggling in the realm of self.)

And He surely does have that power. He created the heavens and the earth. He parted the Red Sea. He brought water from a rock. He fed 5,000 with 5 loaves and 2 fish. He miraculously healed many. He defeated death and rose from the grave.

Yes, His power to alter circumstances is unquestionable. Yet if we pray solely in sympathy for a person or for ourselves, the purpose of prayer has not been fulfilled.

John 17:21: “that they all may be one, as You, Father are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us…”

When we are one in His heart, in His purpose… one in His love, our sympathies are then upon our Fathers will being done in our own lives as well as others, even in the midst of suffering.

Jesus entirely and completely reflected the love, heart and work of the Father. He is One in the Father and the Father is One in the Son. And we are offered the incredible invitation to be one in them. Not to be little god’s, but to know Him intimately. To become so yielded to Him that our lives reflect Him. His love poured into us and out to others. To come to the place of knowing how little value our own ideas are worth because we have known His heart. His love and compassion so surpasses our own that we are no longer satisfied with ourselves but must be filled by Him… more and more.

When we pray and set our hearts and lives upon Him, He directs our prayers. He teaches us how to pray and we ‘know’ Him.

When we pray from a place of sympathy for another are our prayers heard? Oh yes, He always hears us. But when we pray from that sympathy we are all too prone to pray from our own ideas of what’s right. Our view is entirely limited to our own experience and desire.

When we are one in Him our natural sympathy expands into eternal compassion and we glimpse the overwhelming love and care of our Father. We no longer see through just our earthly eyes, but through His eternal plan. Things that once seemed so dark that it was impossible to find good become transformed by the touch of His hand.

There is a story I want to share with you. A story where God revealed His heart to a woman that prayed to know His will.

An urgent prayer request was brought to the little church body… Nick, the cousin of a church member was gravely ill. Nick was 36, married with 2 small children. He had been in perfect health up until the Sunday afternoon when his 6-year-old son went to wake him from his nap for dinner.

Nick was in a coma; blood trickled from his ears, nose and mouth.

He was rushed to the hospital in the Texas town where the doctors began running every test known to man, while his panicked wife, Donna called everyone she could think of pleading for prayer.

And so it was that the prayer request came to the small church.

A week passed with no change in Nick’s condition. The doctors remained clueless as to what had caused this and were quickly running out of ideas.

In the second week a special prayer meeting was called on behalf of Nick at the little church. That day, in preparation for the meeting the woman set herself aside to continue seeking the Lord as to His will in this situation. Her heart ached for this family and she wanted very much to see God heal Nick, yet she was hesitant to ask for that. It was too important, too
serious a situation. She wanted to pray according to His will. Not her own… not anyone else’s.

She sat and worshipped the Lord till her heart was quiet. Then the prayer, the song in Psalm 61 sprang up in her heart.

“Hear my cry, O God; attend unto my prayer.
From the end of the earth will I cry unto Thee.
And when my heart is overwhelmed
Please lead me to the Rock
That is higher than I.
For You have been a shelter for me,
And a strong tower from the enemy.
And when my heart is overwhelmed
Please lead me to the Rock
That is higher than I.
That is higher than I.

Over and over the Psalm played through her heart, the tears pouring down her face. And she knew. She had seen the heart of God and she knew… Nick was going to die. The Psalm was the cry of his widows heart.

God knew the agony and grief that Donna would be facing. The overwhelming ‘lostness’ she would soon feel. And heaven was filled with His compassion.

Before she knew the depths of her need, He was there. Before her heart was overwhelmed, He sent the prayer out. Before her heart broke, His plan to be her shelter and tower was secure. He heard her cry before she uttered it, and He would surely lead her to the Rock of safety. The Rock that is higher than I.

The prayer meeting began at 7:00pm. About a dozen people sat quietly in their seats whispering prayers, asking the God of All Power to intervene for Nick and his family.

Slowly the prayers became louder as words affirming God’s desire to heal Nick poured forth.

The healing was claimed and everyone, except one, went home joyfully anticipating Nick’s full recovery and return to his much relieved, thankful wife and children.

Three days later Nick quietly slipped from the coma into the arms of his Savior.

The young widow with her children stood by his grave at the ends of the earth, overwhelmed by grief, and lifted her face to the Rock. And He was there.
#
Why pray? To be one in Him, in His purpose.

To know God. To see Him high and lifted up. To have our hearts, our selves, stretched beyond the sweetness of sympathy so that we can be filled by a greater compassion. So that the love with which the Father loved the Son may be in us.

To die to self and live to Him, that our joy may be full.
John 17:21: “That the world may believe that You sent Me.”
#
O Father, we want to know You. We want to be one in You. Your kingdom come, Your will be done in us as it is in heaven. To know Your heart… to be assured of Your compassion in the brightest and the darkest hours. To see You moving and working in the hearts and lives of those around us. Use us Lord, to pray. Show us the things You are doing so we might line up with You.
Father, help us to cease seeking our own way and to be filled with Your compassion.
In Jesus we come
Amen
#

Study questions
#
1) There are many different approaches to prayer, we’ve probably all attempted each approach at different times. In relation to your own prayer life make a list in order of frequency of how you pray.
Example: a) persistent and repetitious
b) Waiting before the Lord till He shows you how to pray
c) Let’s make a deal
d) Naming a verse and claiming it
e) Praying sympathetically for yourself and others
f) Grocery list style
Etc.

2) From your list, which approach are you least comfortable with? Why?

3) Which approach takes you nearest to God? Why?

4) Who has had the greatest impact in teaching you how to pray?
Example:
a) someone in the Bible
b) Some you know personally
c) Someone on TV
d) A book you read
What are things they taught you? Are those things scripturally based?

5) Have you experienced a time in your prayer life that you prayed so fervently with great expectation that God would do as you asked, only to have your prayers seemingly ignored in the end? What did you learn from it? What attitude did you come away with?

6) Are you continuously learning and truly growing closer to God through prayer?


copyright 2002 tkc

Trudy
Jul 14th 2004, 09:52 PM
This is a great thread, Kayte, thanks for starting it. I have been learning about prayer for several years and am always interested in knowing more. It seems the most important thing we can learn to understand and do as Christians and there are so many different ideas about what prayer is and what it can do. I whole-heartedly agree with your thoughts and greatly appreciate the scripture back-up. The study questions are good thought provokers. :hmm: Thanks again.:)

kayte
Jul 17th 2004, 04:51 PM
Hi Trudy, so glad to have you join in the study and welcome to the board! :hug: ...would love to hear what you've learned about prayer!

Study questions
#
1) There are many different approaches to prayer, we’ve probably all attempted each approach at different times. In relation to your own prayer life make a list in order of frequency of how you pray.
Example: a) persistent and repetitious
b) Waiting before the Lord till He shows you how to pray
c) Let’s make a deal
d) Naming a verse and claiming it
e) Praying sympathetically for yourself and others
f) Grocery list style
Etc.

2) From your list, which approach are you least comfortable with? Why?
From the list, I'd say that naming a verse and claiming it makes me the most uncomfortable. I used to pray this way and the Lord brought me up short one day, convicting me that I was taking His Word, using it 'against' Him by demanding that He perform according to my will in a situation.

I was demanding that He heal a dear friend of mine of the chronic illnesses she suffers with... using 'by His stripes we are healed' as my base. Many would look at me and say 'duh' here. I was taking the verse out of context.. misusing His word and praying from my own point of sympathy.

She will be healed one day. Most likely the day she leaves behind this earthly body and see's His face. In the meantime, she is one of the strongest Christians I know. (And I, in my sympathy, would have undone that! and been happy to see her simply physically strong. ACK! How short sighted... )

I'm not saying that we're not to pray His word. I am saying that we can't randomly choose verses according to our own desires and demand that God do this or that. We set ourselves up that way. When our prayer falls flat, either God failed us.. or we didn't have 'enough faith'. Both are devastating to our relationships with God. We must trust in God.. not in our own faith.

3) Which approach takes you nearest to God? Why?
Drawing near to Him, quieting myself and my own desires. Asking Him to use me in prayer according to His will. He gives me peace, He fills my heart, I die to self and live to Him.

4) Who has had the greatest impact in teaching you how to pray?

a) someone in the Bible... Jesus.
When I first came to the Lord, I initially listened to others.. and got into some very false ways of prayer. The Lord began stretching me and teaching me, showing me what He said, showing me that my 'scriptural backing' was not scriptural at all... and I'm so, so thankful.

5) Have you experienced a time in your prayer life that you prayed so fervently with great expectation that God would do as you asked, only to have your prayers seemingly ignored in the end? What did you learn from it? What attitude did you come away with?
Yes. I learned to know God better and to trust Him despite circumstances. In this world we will have tribulation... count it all joy when you suffer various things... Yet though You slay me, will I trust in You... etc.
My immediate attitude wasn't so great.. but I've grown and I love Him more now. (Maybe I'm not the same petulant, selfish child I once was?) :)

6) Are you continuously learning and truly growing closer to God through prayer? I pray so.

Cilla
Jul 17th 2004, 09:01 PM
Truly lovely posts, kayte. :hug: I hope to reply properly at some point but I did just want to share with you. The story of Donna and the way she prayed using that Psalm really made me think. And then today I have been clearing out our shed, lol, came across some magazines 50 years old :blush: and started reading. They were Christian magazines, and one of them was fiction, and you know how it is when you start clearing out...........:rolleyes:
Well, in my story 'Jim' had just been told he was to either denounce Christianity or lose his job! Now if that had been me I feel sure I would have been thinking how can I pray for myself....shall I pray that the boss will change his mind, or that another job will come up pretty smartish........but, and I quote

"Yes, he thought, I know where to take my troubles.

"He knows, He loves, He cares,
Nothing this truth can dim
He does the very best for those
Who leave their choice with Him."

And so although the future could have scarcely looked darker a wonderful peace came to Jim."

I am really trying to do that, kayte. To dwell on His Knowledge, His Love, His Care, His Truth, His Choice.......It is new to me........but I shall try to dwell on Him rather than me.

kayte
Jul 17th 2004, 10:17 PM
Oh Cilla.. that was beautiful. Thank you for sharing. :hug:

"He knows, He loves, He cares,
Nothing this truth can dim
He does the very best for those
Who leave their choice with Him."

This really is the place of peace and rest.
(even from cleaning out sheds. :lol: )

Come all ye who are heavy laden and I will give you rest.
His yoke is easy and His burden is light. Why sometimes are we so heavy with the burdens of life?

Cilla
Jul 18th 2004, 05:45 PM
Thankyou so much for this, kayte. :hug: I have read it all through several times.

Study questions
1) In relation to your own prayer life make a list in order of frequency of how you pray.

Persistent and repetitious is very much me, I'm afraid. Pleading over and over for the self same thing.........mostly for the salvation of some precious soul. Different people each time but still pleading, often with tears, that people I know will see their need of a Saviour. Does it make any difference to God? I honestly don't know. I think it does make me feel better, but does prayer change things? I don't know.

Grocery list style is me too. Mind you I think my grocery list is a very healthy one. Fruit and veg rather than chocolate biscuits. But a grocery list none the less.

'Waiting before the Lord till He shows you how to pray'.... I know this is the right course but it doesn't come naturally. I do realise that I don't know properly how to pray.

4) Who has had the greatest impact in teaching you how to pray?

My husband. His prayers just flow naturally. And yes he frequently quotes Scripture in his prayers which I really love. You really shook me when you said Jesus, kayte. He never would have occurred to me. :( Written down that looks appalling, but I hope you know what I mean. :(


5) Have you experienced a time in your prayer life that you prayed so fervently with great expectation that God would do as you asked, only to have your prayers seemingly ignored in the end? What did you learn from it? What attitude did you come away with?

The time that really comes to mind is when I was expecting my fourth child. After 3 sons I badly wanted a girl. I looked around and saw plenty couples who are unsaved with no time for God and He had given them the desires of their heart. Surely He would answer my prayer if I prayed according to John 14v14: 'If ye shall ask any thing in My Name, I will do it.' and Mark 11v24: 'Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.' Every day I prayed consistently in the Name of Jesus that He would grant me a girl. I prayed in complete belief that God would answer. I felt I had fulfilled all the criteria. When my baby son was born I was in a state of complete shock. I had thoroughly convinced myself of the way God would answer and I didn't understand. I wasn't angry ........nothing like that. I was thrilled to have a healthy baby, but I just didn't understand. It would have been so easy for God..................why didn't He want me to have a girl...........you know the feelings all too well!!! I soon found out. With 4 young children I was soon utterly exhausted and found myself with a nervous breakdown. There was no way I could have coped with the extra...............shopping for girly clothes as well as the boys etc. etc.............it's all too long a story to say any more but looking back I have given thanks to God many times for my youngest son and I have never prayed that way again. Or at least not in the same way. I have always added "if it be Thy Will." I realised the hard way that God's way is the best way, and I wouldn't want anything that wasn't in His divine will and purpose.

6) Are you continuously learning and truly growing closer to God through prayer?

No I don't think I am. :( The times when I have been closest to God were times of deep bereavement........and even then I feel I was carried by the prayers of the Lord's people rather than my own prayers. I tend to talk to Jesus all through the day as He walks beside me, but if someone asked me to form a prayer to God with real words in real sentences in front of a group of people I would be tongue tied. Basically my prayers are just thoughts. :(

kayte
Jul 18th 2004, 08:25 PM
Study questions
1) In relation to your own prayer life make a list in order of frequency of how you pray.

Persistent and repetitious is very much me, I'm afraid. Pleading over and over for the self same thing.........mostly for the salvation of some precious soul. Different people each time but still pleading, often with tears, that people I know will see their need of a Saviour. Does it make any difference to God? I honestly don't know. I think it does make me feel better, but does prayer change things? I don't know.

Grocery list style is me too. Mind you I think my grocery list is a very healthy one. Fruit and veg rather than chocolate biscuits. But a grocery list none the less.

'Waiting before the Lord till He shows you how to pray'.... I know this is the right course but it doesn't come naturally. I do realise that I don't know properly how to pray.
I've done the same thing.. in tears, pleading for salvation for different people. I think the thing that helped me the most was coming to understand and truly believing that God loves these far more than I do. Praying for others salvation, we can know without a doubt that we are praying according to His will. Jesus said it is not the Fathers will that any should perish, but have everlasting life.

So we truly can pray, asking Him to open their hearts to their need of the Savior, that He would give them eyes to see eternity and we can know that He will always answer 'Yes' to that prayer. From that point... the choice remains with the person.. how they will respond as He draws them to Himself. It is not His will that they perish, and he will draw them to seek Him (just as He drew us).. but the choice is theirs.

But this I know... when we cry out for this, we are imitations of our Father. (Jesus wept for longing to hold them as His own... but they wouldn't have Him. :( )

Does it make a difference when we pray for someones salvation? Yes. For one, it pleases our Father to see us love others as He commanded.. it pleases Him to see our hearts attuned to His own. He cares more deeply, more passionately for the lost than we do. We've experienced that first hand as He poured His love out on us and called us His own. We are witnesses of the Love poured out on the cross. We are witnesses to the passion of that Love that knew no bounds in His desire to bridge the gap our sin created.
And Yes.. it makes a difference in that we know our Heavenly Father better and we become more like Him.

The thought takes my breath away and pulls me up short when I know the passion of my own heart that my children be saved... to think that: my love x infinity = God's love.
How could I ever doubt that He is calling them? Or that I would need to plead, beg or conjole God.. as though He didn't care. :eek:

Along with praying for others salvation, I pray to make myself available to God.. for Him to use as He see's fit, in drawing that person.

Will the ones we long for be saved because we prayed? We won't know till it's said and done. But we can trust our Father that He did not fail and He never said 'no' to that prayer. Rest in His love.
(I also do not believe that there has ever been a single person on the face of this earth that could not be saved because they had no one that prayed for them. God is bigger than that.)

p.s. I love your healthy grocery list Cilla. :lol:

Momof5
Jul 19th 2004, 02:07 PM
[.......but I shall try to dwell on Him rather than me.


This is something I am really working on now! I have become so much more aware of what I am praying for and so much of the time it revolves around ME instead of me asking HIM what I can do to serve HIM, to spread the gospel, to teach, to witness. It really is all about Him, not me!

Hearing Gods Voice
Jul 21st 2004, 12:35 PM
Basically my prayers are just thoughts. (

I can relate to this statement. I have pray throughout the day for everything from my car starting to being able to get work done at work, BUT I don't take the time to really pray. I don't have any quite time with God and I really need to start doing this.

:( At least I know that God loves us and that He will wait for us to come to Him without leaving us alone.

kayte
Jul 21st 2004, 05:11 PM
Setting ourselves aside to pray is SO hard. Nothing about it comes naturally.. I truly believe it's something we have to do like exercising. When we start we think we're going to die within 5 minutes :lol: , but each time we do it, we get a little stronger.. our stamina and concentration gets better and we find we actually enjoy it!

The same holds true of prayer. So ladies... it's time to start working out and I've got an idea. :idea:

Since Wednesday is the day I'm posting a new study, I'll pick Wednesday as 'our' day. What time doesn't matter.. but on Wednesday, it will be my practice to sit at my computer, read through the study and then spend time in worship, quieting myself before the Lord.. getting my eyes off me and on Him. (Song worship or meditating on a passage from Psalms that describes Who He is, is the most helpful to me in doing this.) I'll make this particular prayer time one of just worship and then asking Him to use us in prayer as He chooses through the week. Asking Him to help us to keep our eyes on Him and be attentive to Him each day as He brings things to heart and mind for us to pray about. That we would become more disciplined in prayer, would grow closer to Him and would produce much fruit.

My hope is that some of you will join me in this. Scary, eh? :D
If you're out of the practice of set aside prayer time, then do what you'd do in an exercise regimen... start slowly. Determine a set amount of time.. even 5 or 10 minutes.. and just worship Him. Don't be concerned about the prayer part at first. Make your primary concern be to just draw near to God and learning the discipline of being quiet (heart and mind) in His presence.

If anyone is willing to join me.. please let me know. (here or p.m. me)
I'm seeing this as the beginning of a set aside message board prayer group... who knows?!?!

Stacey Blue
Jul 21st 2004, 06:18 PM
Count me in! :pray:

Cilla
Jul 21st 2004, 06:37 PM
If anyone is willing to join me.. please let me know. (here or p.m. me)
I'm seeing this as the beginning of a set aside message board prayer group... who knows?!?!That is a truly wonderful idea, kayte. :hug:

The best time for me is 8 am................about 2 am (?) for you!! LOL!!

kayte
Jul 21st 2004, 07:20 PM
That is a truly wonderful idea, kayte. :hug:

The best time for me is 8 am................about 2 am (?) for you!! LOL!!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I am praying for your warped sense of humor Cilla!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
And don't you pray that He'll wake us up at 2am!!!! :lol:

I'm excited about this! :hug:

Hearing Gods Voice
Jul 21st 2004, 10:36 PM
Why don't I take Thursdays.
If we could get one person every day, that would be great.
:pp :pp :pp

kayte
Jul 31st 2004, 08:03 PM
This seemed the appropriate place to put this. The story of Nick and Donna is part of the cry of my heart right now.

Because of Nick and Donna.. I know that God is here with us. That nothing has taken Him by surprise.. that nothing is out of control, because He is in control. That the prayer needs have already been answered.. because HE is the answer.

I'd like to ask for prayer for my sister, Debra. She posted a prayer request not long ago in the prayer forum, asking for prayer because she had been diagnosed with lymphoma. (She posted under the name of eve.) Well.. today the final diagnoses is in and she has leukemia. We are.... reeling a bit.

They've started her on mega chemo treatments as of this morning. Please pray for her. (She is a very strong believer.. and will be stronger still.) Pray for her husband, Dale. He recently lost his very close friend to cancer. Pray for their two daughters.

The joy of the Lord is our strength. He is our comforter and a strong tower of refuge. He will not let us fall and He will meet us at every point of our need.

Now it's time for me to get ready for my grandbabies one and only 2nd birthday party. Praise God for the joy of him today! :hug:

Cilla
Aug 1st 2004, 08:24 PM
Oh Kayte, of course I shall remember you all. :hug:

Here is a verse for you especially today.

Proverbs 18v10: The Name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.

God's Way is Perfect. Trust Him in the whirlwind. :hug: His Name will be honoured and glorified in this. He can see the end from the beginning. :hug:

Press on and look upward. :hug:

Momof5
Aug 1st 2004, 10:34 PM
I would like to join in prayer as well. I just now read this. What time? On Wednesdays?

kayte
Aug 1st 2004, 11:47 PM
Wonderful to have you join us Momof5! It doesn't matter what time. We're certainly not going to do Cilla's time. :lol: Mine will most likely be at around 11:00a.m. MT.

If someone can't commit to Wednesday's.. that's okay too. Pick what will work the best for you since you'll be more likely to do it.

Cilla
Aug 2nd 2004, 01:42 PM
We're certainly not going to do Cilla's time. :lol: Mine will most likely be at........ .
Yours will most likely be the same time as mine, lol! 8 am GMT!!!!

Could you just remind me of your phone number! :D

miepie
Aug 3rd 2004, 10:32 AM
Ok, I am going to join this too..... I feel not that well but I will try to keep up with y'all here. Count me in on praying on Wednesday too.... Tuesday is already the day I pray with the moderators of this board.....


Ok, the questions....


1) There are many different approaches to prayer
The best approach for me is to write prayers here on the board, when the Holy Spirit inspires me to do so. I pray while I write them.
Also I am constantly talking to God.... so in a way I am praying most of the day.... for me God is no distant God, He is very close to me and I feel Him around me all day long which led to talking to Him all day, so He knows what is in my heart. I pray a lot with Chal online too..... especially when my pains are unbearable and He always answers, either He takes them away or gives me the strength to survive them again.

2) From your list, which approach are you least comfortable with? Why?
I am not someone that prays at the same hour every week. I pray when I feel I need to pray, although that is a couple of times a day, but almost never at the same time. Since I am talking to God all day I pray while I am talking with Him for the members that need it on this messageboard. Sometimes I write one prayer in a week, the next day I write 10 in 15 minutes. It depends on my inspiration I get from the Holy Spirit. And praying for my brothers and sisters here makes me feel forget my pain. Many times when I am almost dying of pain, God gives me the inspiration I need to pray for someone else, which in the end makes me feel a lot better.

3) Which approach takes you nearest to God? Why?
Writing prayers, because the words I write down come straight from His Holy Spirit. I often write prayers and read them back and know that I could not have thought of those beautiful words. They are inspired by God Himself and that makes me proud to be His Instrument. I don't want any reward for the prayers, I want the person I prayed for to thank God for those words.



4) Who has had the greatest impact in teaching you how to pray?
That is difficult to say, but I do know that now I am praying with Chal I am learning from him very quickly. I also started to study prayer, in books of Stormie Omartian, which teaches me a lot too.


5) Have you experienced a time in your prayer life that you prayed so fervently with great expectation that God would do as you asked, only to have your prayers seemingly ignored in the end? What did you learn from it? What attitude did you come away with?
Yes there once was a time when I couldn't face my disease and pain anymore and I prayed to God for healing me from the pain for just one week. After heavy prayers God granted my wish and my pains were lesser for a week. The only problem was that I promised Him I could do His Work much better without being so sick, and that I wanted to do more than I did for Him already. After the week the pains came slowly back and I realised how wrong I had been. Instead of doing more to His Glory I was too busy enjoying things I missed for so long and God obviously came in the second place. He has taught me a lesson here and now I never ask those things again. I only ask Him to give me enough strength and lesser pains so I can work here and if I do have a better day now I am using it especially to glorify Him more. I have come to realise that this is the only thing that makes me really happy and since then I grew closer to God. Needless to say that since He led me out of my abusive marriage and into the arms of Chal, my gratitude towards Him became much more and I can hardly wait to worship Him together with Chal, more than we can do online now.


6) Are you continuously learning and truly growing closer to God through prayer?
Well I am growing closer to God by studying the Bible, by talking to Him all day, by Chal teaching me Gods Word, by praying together, just in my daily life I am still growing closer to Him. I have learned to listen to Him and especially since my abusive exhusband left I have made my house one of worship and that made me grow even closer to Him. Also the way Chal has a relationship with God taught me how I could become even closer to Him.


Love you,
Mieke :kiss: :hug: :kiss:

kayte
Aug 4th 2004, 12:51 AM
We're so glad to have you join us Mieke. You're precious. :hug:

Trudy
Aug 4th 2004, 02:08 AM
I am still learning about prayer and sometimes feel clumsy in my efforts but I know God doesn't care how good I am at praying just that I am praying. I grew up Catholic and turned away from the church at 14 but not from God. I only knew the Lord's prayer and the Hail Mary. It wasn't until I had my 4th baby that I began earnestly seeking God and asking Him into my life. That prayer was a plea for help and direction and He answered so swiftly it took my breath away. I was on my way to growing very close to Him. I will try to answer the questions:

My approach to prayer is very informal, almost conversational. I tried writing them down but I found it complicated things for me. I have a whole journal of prayers from this period and it is great to read it from time to time. But I stopped writing and just starting talking with God.

There is no one person that influenced my prayer life, as much as many. Some from my church, but mainly from books I started reading on prayer. My favorite is "Prayer" by O.Hallesby. A beautiful little book that answered so many of my questions and gave me great peace on the subject. Another one is not about prayer but there are many prayers in it, "Hearing Heart" by Hannah Hurnard.

There have been many times I have prayed earnestly and nothing seemed to happen. When I was first learning what prayer is I was very frustrated and angry even sometimes when I didn't see instant answers. But as I learn more I am able to wait on the Lord and know in my heart that, like the roots of a seedling grow unseen, God's work is, many times, unseen for quite some time.

Sometimes my prayers are just groans and tears, but I know the Holy Spirit will straighten it out and send it along as I need it to be.

It is wonderful to be a part of this with all of you.:hug:

SA Topsites