John Chapter 6

[Momof5]

I have a little free time today - so unusual and it is cold outside so I will begin Chapter 6. My prayer is that God will reveal Himself more and more to each of us as we study :hug:


In John, Chapter 5, after Jesus healed the man at the pool of Bethesda, he was confronted by the Jewish religious leaders because He healed on the Sabbath. He clearly told them who He is! Chapter 6, verse 1 begins a few months after Jesus told them, basically, that they did not believe the Word of God!

Verses 1 - 14 is the feeding the five thousand. This is the only miracle of Jesus recorded in all four Gospel accounts. Refer to Matthew 14: 13-21; Mark 6:30-44 and Luke 9:10-17. When it speaks of 5,000 - it is men. I wonder how many women & children were present?

NKJV John 6

1) After these things Jesus went over the Sea of Galilee, which is the Sea of Tiberias.

2) Then a great multitude followed Him, because they saw His signs which He performed on those who were diseased.

3) And Jesus went up on the mountain, and there He sat with His disciples.

4) Now the Passover, a feast of the Jews, was near.

[Debra R]

I have a little free time today - so unusual and it is cold outside so I will begin Chapter 6. My prayer is that God will reveal Himself more and more to each of us as we study :hug:


In John, Chapter 5, after Jesus healed the man at the pool of Bethesda, he was confronted by the Jewish religious leaders because He healed on the Sabbath. He clearly told them who He is! Chapter 6, verse 1 begins a few months after Jesus told them, basically, that they did not believe the Word of God!

Verses 1 - 14 is the feeding the five thousand. This is the only miracle of Jesus recorded in all four Gospel accounts. Refer to Matthew 14: 13-21; Mark 6:30-44 and Luke 9:10-17. When it speaks of 5,000 - it is men. I wonder how many women & children were present?

NKJV John 6

1) After these things Jesus went over the Sea of Galilee, which is the Sea of Tiberias.

2) Then a great multitude followed Him, because they saw His signs which He performed on those who were diseased.

3) And Jesus went up on the mountain, and there He sat with His disciples.

4) Now the Passover, a feast of the Jews, was near.Hi Momof5 :) :),



Chapter 6 is an awesome chapter, it is also a long one, 71 verses. I just looked through the rest of the chapters and verse 6 is the longest chapter in the book of John. I just thought that was interesting :D.



Momof5...Verses 1 - 14 is the feeding the five thousand. This is the only miracle of Jesus recorded in all four Gospel accounts. Refer to Matthew 14: 13-21; Mark 6:30-44 and Luke 9:10-17. When it speaks of 5,000 - it is men. I wonder how many women & children were present?
It had to have been at least the same number of women and children there if not more. I wonder if that was an accurate count or an approximate count? I am sitting here wondering with all those people there, did someone go around counting them or if that knowledge of how many were there came from God.

But in thinking about it, even in the Old Testament they did count the people. So we could be safe in saying they were counted.

And of course, God did know exactly how many people were there. Just some rambling thoughts this morning :D.

Thought I would post the verses from the NASB.......

(NASB) John 6:1) After these things Jesus went away to the other side of the Sea of Galilee (or Tiberias).

2) A large crowd followed Him, because they saw the signs which He was performing on those who were sick.

3) Then Jesus went up on the mountain, and there He sat down with His disciples.

4) Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was near.




The people were following Jesus because of the signs He did. I don't think they knew who He was yet. But they knew here was a man who could do amazing things. And maybe they were wondering if Jesus was the expected One. We read in Matthew where John sent his disciples to ask Jesus this question....

Matthew 11:3) and said to Him, "Are You the Expected One, or shall we look for someone else?"

4) Jesus answered and said to them, "Go and report to John what you hear and see:

5) the BLIND RECEIVE SIGHT and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.




And there also had to have been something more about Him that caused so many to follow Him. Something about His Presence, His personality, something about His person, they way He carried Himself, the way He spoke.



Thank you Momof5 :hug:



Have a blessed day!



in Christ's love,

Debra

[moonglow]

Momof5...I read your post when you first posted it...but I didn't reply because I don't know what are we suppose to do? You didn't ask any questions...so I didn't know how to respond...so what are we suppose to do with this study... :confused

I rarely reply to studies because on here, anyway, I find them very confusing. Are we just suppose to make a comment or what?

sorry if I am daff in this....:( :help:

[Momof5]

Hi Moonglow :hug: We have just been taking a few scriptures at a time in the book of John and discussing them. We don't have any questions to answer, just comparing Scripture with other Scripture - cross referencing. We use different commentaries, etc., for other references as to what was occurring at that time politically and how the people were living their lives. Sometimes our comments are how these things have applied to us in our lives - how we see God working.

Just jump in on any verse, or give any point you would like to make on how this applies to us, to you personally - anything! I just read along in Chapter 1 and jumped in on Chapter 2. Debra and I have alternated starting each chapter since then.

We would love to have your input - you are an endless source of reference and insight and I love reading your posts :)

[moonglow]

Ok I want to look something up later and post it...been distracted with other things and Nate is home sick too...:( thanks! :)

[Momof5]

I'm going to post a few more verses since this is a long chapter.......feel free to backtrack at any time.

NKJV John 6

5) Then Jesus lifted up His eyes, and seeing a great multitude coming toward Him, He said to Philip, "Where shall we buy bread, that these may eat?"

6) But this He said to test him, for He Himself knew what He would do.

7) Philip answered Him, "Two hundred denarii worth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may have a little."

8) One of His disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, said to Him,

9) "There is a lad here who has five barley loaves and two small fish, but what are they among so many?"

10) Then Jesus said, "Make the people sit down." Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.

Old Testament Scripture shows there is no limit to the power of God. He can provide enough meat for an enormous amount of people for a month or take a food like barley loaves which were an inexpensive food of common people and multiply it to feed a huge crowd of people, and have leftovers!

Numbers 11: 21-23: And Moses said, "The people whom I am among are six hundred thousand men on foot, yet You have said, "I will give them meat, that they may eat for a whole month. Shall flocks and herds be slaughtered for them, to provide enough for them? Or shall all the fish of the sea be gathered together for them, to provide enough for them?" And the Lord said to Moses, "Has the Lord's arm been shortened? Now you shall see whether what I say will happen to you or not."

2 Kings 4:42-44: Then a man came from Baal Shalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves of barley bread, and newly ripened grain in his knapsack. And he said, " Give it to the people, that they may eat." But his servant said, "What? Shall I set this before one hundred men?" He said again, "Give it to the people, that they may eat, for thus says the Lord: "They shall eat and have some left over." So he set it before them; and they ate and had some left over, according to the word of the Lord.

Jesus can take whatever little we have to offer and multiply it to provide for many!!

[Debra R]

Hi Moonglow :hug: We have just been taking a few scriptures at a time in the book of John and discussing them. We don't have any questions to answer, just comparing Scripture with other Scripture - cross referencing. We use different commentaries, etc., for other references as to what was occurring at that time politically and how the people were living their lives. Sometimes our comments are how these things have applied to us in our lives - how we see God working.

Just jump in on any verse, or give any point you would like to make on how this applies to us, to you personally - anything! I just read along in Chapter 1 and jumped in on Chapter 2. Debra and I have alternated starting each chapter since then.

We would love to have your input - you are an endless source of reference and insight and I love reading your posts :)Hi Julie!

I second what Momof5 said! :) :)

[Debra R]

I'm going to post a few more verses since this is a long chapter.......feel free to backtrack at any time.

NKJV John 6

5) Then Jesus lifted up His eyes, and seeing a great multitude coming toward Him, He said to Philip, "Where shall we buy bread, that these may eat?"

6) But this He said to test him, for He Himself knew what He would do.

7) Philip answered Him, "Two hundred denarii worth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may have a little."

8) One of His disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, said to Him,

9) "There is a lad here who has five barley loaves and two small fish, but what are they among so many?"

10) Then Jesus said, "Make the people sit down." Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.

Old Testament Scripture shows there is no limit to the power of God. He can provide enough meat for an enormous amount of people for a month or take a food like barley loaves which were an inexpensive food of common people and multiply it to feed a huge crowd of people, and have leftovers!

Numbers 11: 21-23: And Moses said, "The people whom I am among are six hundred thousand men on foot, yet You have said, "I will give them meat, that they may eat for a whole month. Shall flocks and herds be slaughtered for them, to provide enough for them? Or shall all the fish of the sea be gathered together for them, to provide enough for them?" And the Lord said to Moses, "Has the Lord's arm been shortened? Now you shall see whether what I say will happen to you or not."

2 Kings 5:42-44: Then a man came from Baal Shalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves of barley bread, and newly ripened grain in his knapsack. And he said, " Give it to the people, that they may eat." But his servant said, "What? Shall I set this before one hundred men?" He said again, "Give it to the people, that they may eat, for thus says the Lord: "They shall eat and have some left over." So he set it before them; and they ate and had some left over, according to the word of the Lord.

Jesus can take whatever little we have to offer and multiply it to provide for many!!Hi Momof5!

Great cross references! Though I did have a hard time finding 2 Kings 5:42-44 :D.

I thought something was wrong with my bible. Then I realized you meant 2 Kings 4:42-44 :saint:.

I like this translation in the NASB for Numbers 11:23




Numbers 11:23 The LORD said to Moses, "Is the LORD'S power limited? Now you shall see whether My word will come true for you or not."



And Jesus showed His unlimited power in feeding the people. That He had the same unlimited power as God. :)


Jesus tests us like that sometimes too. He asks what we have and then proceeds to multiply it for His glory. That is all we have to do is give Him what we have and let Him do the rest. To me that is a big relief! Praise God!

God bless :hug:

[Momof5]

Hi Debra :hug: Thanks for pointing out my typo :blush: I edited my post to reflect the "4". My notes were correct, my fingers were not!

[Debra R]

Good morning Momof5! :hug:

I am really excited about this chapter, there are some wonderful things we are going to see :).

Here are the next verses....



(NASB) John 6:
11) Jesus then took the loaves, and having given thanks, He distributed to those who were seated; likewise also of the fish as much as they wanted.

12) When they were filled, He said to His disciples, "Gather up the leftover fragments so that nothing will be lost."

13) So they gathered them up, and filled twelve baskets with fragments from the five barley loaves which were left over by those who had eaten.

14) Therefore when the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, "This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world."



I was reading Matthew Henry's commentary this morning and thought I would post some of it.....






Matthew Henry's commentary....

7. The distribution of the provision, v. 11. Observe,

(1.) It was done with thanksgiving: He gave thanks. Note, [1.] We ought to give thanks to God for our food, for it is a mercy to have it, and we have it from the hand of God, and must receive it with thanksgiving, 1 Timothy 4:4, 5.

And this is the sweetness of our creature-comforts, that they will furnish us with matter, and give us occasion, for that excellent duty of thanksgiving. [2.] Though our provision be coarse and scanty, though we have neither plenty nor dainty, yet we must give thanks to God for what we have.


(2.) It was distributed from the hand of Christ by the hands of his disciples, v. 11. Note, [1.] All our comforts come to us originally from the hand of Christ; whoever brings them, it is he that sends them, he distributes to those who distribute to us. [2.] In distributing the bread of life to those that follow him, he is pleased to make use of the ministration of his disciples; they are the servitors at Christ’s table, or rather rulers in his household, to give to every one his portion of meat in due season.



(3.) It was done to universal satisfaction. They did not every one take a little, but all had as much as they would; not a short allowance, but a full meal; and considering how long they had fasted, with what an appetite they sat down, how agreeable this miraculous food may be supposed to have been, above common food, it was not a little that served them when they ate as much as they would and on free cost. Those whom Christ feeds with the bread of life he does not stint, Psalm 91:10.

There were but two small fishes, and yet they had of them too as much as they would. He did not reserve them for the better sort of the guests, and put off the poor with dry bread, but treated them all alike, for they were all alike welcome. Those who call feeding upon fish fasting reproach the entertainment Christ here made, which was a full feast.



Christ said to the disciples, the servants he employed, Gather up the fragments. Note, We must always take care that we make no waste of any of God’s good creatures; for the grant we have of them, though large and full, is with this proviso, wilful waste only excepted. It is just with God to bring us to the want of that which we make waste of. The Jews were very careful not to lose any bread, nor let it fall to the ground, to be trodden upon. Qui panem contemnit in gravem incidit paupertatem—He who despises bread falls into the depths of poverty, was a saying among them.



Christ did not order the broken meat to be gathered up till all were filled; we must not begin to hoard and lay up till all is laid out that ought to be, for that is withholding more than is meet. Mr. Baxter notes here, "How much less should we lose God’s word, or helps, or our time, or such greater mercies!’’

(2.) The observance of these orders (v. 13): They filled twelve baskets with the fragments, which was an evidence not only of the truth of the miracle, that they were fed, not with fancy, but with real food (witness those remains), but of the greatness of it; they were not only filled, but there was all this over and above. See how large the divine bounty is; it not only fills the cup, but makes it run over; bread enough, and to spare, in our Father’s house.


The fragments filled twelve baskets, one for each disciple; they were thus repaid with interest for their willingness to part with what they had for public service; see 2 Chronicles 31:10 The Jews lay it as a law upon themselves, when they have eaten a meal, to be sure to leave a piece of bread upon the table, upon which the blessing after meat may rest; for it is a curse upon the wicked man (Job 20:21 that there shall none of his meat be left.



III. Here is the influence which this miracle had upon the people who tasted of the benefit of it (v. 14): They said, This is of a truth that prophet. Note, 1. Even the vulgar Jews with great assurance expected the Messiah to come into the world, and to be a great prophet, They speak here with assurance of his coming.

The Pharisees despised them as not knowing the law; but, it should seem, they knew more of him that is the end of the law than the Pharisees did. 2. The miracles which Christ wrought did clearly demonstrate that he was the Messiah promised, a teacher come from God, the great prophet, and could not but convince the amazed spectators that this was he that should come.


Have a very blessed day!

In Christ's love,

Debra

[moonglow]

David Guzik's Commentaries
on the Bible

a. Gather up the fragments that remain, so that nothing is lost: The disciples gathered the leftovers at the command of Jesus. Jesus is generous, but not wasteful.

b. Should the disciples have anticipated what Jesus could do, or should do in this situation? There was enough evidence both in the Old Testament and in what Jesus had already done to give them a confident expectation of what Jesus would do here.

i. Old Testament passages warn against doubting God's provision: Yes, they spoke against God: They said, "Can God prepare a table in the wilderness?" (Psalm 78:19) 2 Kings 4:38-34 is an example of God multiplying barley loaves, though this is on a much greater scale.

ii. Yet, Jesus used His disciples even though they did not understand - they got to participate in the miracle.

iii. Jesus demonstrated to them the giving character of God - the same character God desires to build within us. Proverbs 11:24 says, There is one who scatters, yet increases more; and there is one who withholds more than is right, but it leads to poverty. This bread was multiplied as it was "scattered."

There is a message in there...but right now I don't know how to put it in words. All I keep thinking about is the 'scattered' and 'mulitiplying' mess in my house...:( (ok so its bugging me!)

[Momof5]

That is a wonderful Scripture reference, Moonglow :)

Whatever we have we should share - it increases as it is scattered. If we are stingy with what we have, we are selfish and we do not honor God. IMO, if we are stingy and selfish we are in spiritual poverty!

Jesus is not stingy - He gives us as much spiritual food as we want, just as He gave the multitude as much physical food as they wanted.

[Momof5]

I am going to post the next verses.....

NKJV John 6

15) Therefore when Jesus perceived that they were about to come and take Him by force to make Him king, He departed again to the mountain by Himself alone.

16) Now when evening came, His disciples went down to the sea,

17) got into the boat, and went over the sea toward Capernaum. And it was already dark, and Jesus had not come to them.

18) Then the sea arose because a great wind was blowing,

19) So when they had rowed about three or four miles, they saw Jesus walking on the sea and drawing near the boat; and they were afraid.

20) But He said to them, "It is I; do not be afraid."

21) Then they willingly received Him into the boat and immediately the boat was at the land where they were going.

References, Matthew 14: 22-33; Mark 6: 45-52

Jesus gave us the example of what to do in times of testing: He went to the mountain to pray. This is the one thing we can do in our times of distress. Pray and praise His name.

The storms of life come upon us when we see Jesus walking on the water, so to speak. When he draws near, we are afraid. But, Jesus reassures us, "It is I; do not be afraid." We willingly let Him in to our hearts and immediately He gives us new life. Only God can take us from spiritual death to life!

[Debra R]

Momof5...Jesus gave us the example of what to do in times of testing: He went to the mountain to pray. This is the one thing we can do in our times of distress. Pray and praise His name.

Yes. We can pray and praise His name always, for we know our God is Almighty, creator of the universe. All God had to do was speak and the world came to be. God spoke, and there was life. How awesome is our God.


Momof5..The storms of life come upon us when we see Jesus walking on the water, so to speak. When he draws near, we are afraid. But, Jesus reassures us, "It is I; do not be afraid." We willingly let Him in to our hearts and immediately He gives us new life. Only God can take us from spiritual death to life!That is great Momof5 :hug:.

I have thought on these verses several times in the past few weeks. I thought I would post the scripture reference from Matthew.

(NASB) Matthew 14:

24) But the boat was already a long distance from the land, battered by the waves; for the wind was contrary.

25) And in the fourth watch of the night He came to them, walking on the sea.


26) When the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were terrified, and said, "It is a ghost!" And they cried out in fear.


27) But immediately Jesus spoke to them, saying, "Take courage, it is I; do not be afraid."


28) Peter said to Him, "Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water."


29) And He said, "Come!" And Peter got out of the boat, and walked on the water and came toward Jesus.


30) But seeing the wind, he became frightened, and beginning to sink, he cried out, "Lord, save me!"


31) Immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and took hold of him, and said to him, "You of little faith, why did you doubt?"



As I read over these verses I can surely relate, for at this time my family and I are going through one of those storms.

It's like for a time, your life is so peaceful, you are in your boat sailing, the sea is calm the sky is bright. Everything is right with your little world. Then the sky grows dark, the storm begins to rage. For a time all you see are the mighty waves threatening to wash over you. Everything around you is ugly and menacing. The storm seems so huge and for a moment you lose sight of Jesus. In fact, for a moment the storm seems bigger than Jesus. And that is because you have taken your eyes off Jesus and looked at the storm.

But, Jesus is the One, who calms the storms. He only has to speak: "peace, be still." Then the storm is stilled, the waves grow calm and He gives us comfort and tells us: "It is I, do not be afraid."



I love this in Psalms too.

Psalm 107:


28) Then they cried to the LORD in their trouble,
And He brought them out of their distresses.


29) He caused the storm to be still,
So that the waves of the sea were hushed.


30) Then they were glad because they were quiet,
So He guided them to their desired haven.



And the Lord Jesus can and does guide us to our desired haven. Close with Himself, secure in His nearness, covered with His love.



God bless.

Love,

Debra

[Cilla]

Debra, :hug: , I had never seen the link with Psalm 107 before. We can even link verse 9 with the feeding of the multitude.

For He satisfieth the longing soul, and filleth the hungry soul with goodness.

[Cilla]

I have just thought of something else. Some long time ago I remember ACCM pointing out the verse in Job 9 v 8

God............ Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

A good verse to remember, showing so powerfully that Jesus is God Himself.

[Momof5]

Debra and Cilla :hug: Great Scripture references and links! I love how Scripture always confirms Scripture.

[Debra R]

I have just thought of something else. Some long time ago I remember ACCM pointing out the verse in Job 9 v 8

God............ Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

A good verse to remember, showing so powerfully that Jesus is God Himself.Thank you Cilla :hug:,

I also like this in Job....

(NASB) Job 19:25) "As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives,
And at the last He will take His stand on the earth.



26) "Even after my skin is destroyed,
Yet from my flesh I shall see God;



27) Whom I myself shall behold,
And whom my eyes will see and not another.
My heart faints within me!


The Lord Jesus is our Redeemer!
He is indeed the Almighty God!


God bless :hug:

[Debra R]

I thought I would post the next set of verses :),


(NASB)John 6:22) The next day the crowd that stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was no other small boat there, except one, and that Jesus had not entered with His disciples into the boat, but that His disciples had gone away alone.

23) There came other small boats from Tiberias near to the place where they ate the bread after the Lord had given thanks.


24) So when the crowd saw that Jesus was not there, nor His disciples, they themselves got into the small boats, and came to Capernaum seeking Jesus.


25) When they found Him on the other side of the sea, they said to Him, "Rabbi, when did You get here?"




26) Jesus answered them and said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.


27) "Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal."


God bless :hug:

[Cilla]

Debra :hug: doesn't Nathaniel look just like you. :hug:

25) When they found Him on the other side of the sea, they said to Him, "Rabbi, when did You get here?"

This verse struck me as I am sitting here thinking of you. At the moment you are on the sea and your little boat is a long distance from the land, being battered by the waves; for the wind is contrary. But the Lord is already on the other side. Whatever the circumstances He knows all along. He has everything planned. You won't find yourself in some place He doesn't know about. He goes before you and you follow Him and He is there. :hug:

[Momof5]

Debra :hug: doesn't Nathaniel look just like you. :hug:

25) When they found Him on the other side of the sea, they said to Him, "Rabbi, when did You get here?"

This verse struck me as I am sitting here thinking of you. At the moment you are on the sea and your little boat is a long distance from the land, being battered by the waves; for the wind is contrary. But the Lord is already on the other side. Whatever the circumstances He knows all along. He has everything planned. You won't find yourself in some place He doesn't know about. He goes before you and you follow Him and He is there. :hug:

Cilla, Debra, I was thinking the same things about verse 25! Each of us has gone through major storms in life where the sea is tossed every which way - and when we find Jesus on the other side, don't we ask Him, "when did You get here?" That is when He tells us that He will never leave us or forsake us. :hug:

Now, I need to study on the other verses. I am behind....sorry :blush:

[Debra R]

Cilla...Debra doesn't Nathaniel look just like you.
Yes he does :). When I have him with me out shopping everyone thinks he is mine. And he looks just like my daughter. Which everyone says she looks like me too :).


Cilla, Debra, I was thinking the same things about verse 25! Each of us has gone through major storms in life where the sea is tossed every which way - and when we find Jesus on the other side, don't we ask Him, "when did You get here?" That is when He tells us that He will never leave us or forsake us. :hug:

Now, I need to study on the other verses. I am behind....sorry :blush:Okay, Brenda :), I'll give you time to study.

I am going back to work today. They have let me take time off to be with Tina and Nathaniel. He is not going to get to come home today. We are hoping for at least saturday he can come home. He did okay with the chemo treatments. They may take him off the IV today. Some of the swelling has went down in his arms and legs, his feet and ankles are still swollen. His stomach has went down some but it still looks huge. He has still been in a lot of pain. That is what tears at my heart. If the swelling will go down more in his stomach that will help. It will be so wonderful to see him feeling better.

We will take it one day at a time, trusting in our God.

Thank you Cilla and Brenda :hug: :hug:.

Love you,

Debra

[Momof5]

27) "Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal."

I believe that Jesus tells us here that we do not work for eternal life. He says He will give it to us! God, the Father set His seal on Him - He authorized Jesus to give life! How wonderful that we don't work for eternal life, but after it is given to us - we want to work!!

[Momof5]

I am going to add a few verses....... :)

NKJV John 6

28) Then they said to Him, What shall we do that we may work the works of God?"

29) Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."

30) Therefore they said to Him, "What sign will you perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do?

The Jewish people still thought works would earn eternal life, so they asked what work can they do. In verse 29, Jesus said the work of God is to believe in Jesus! I believe the people understood that He told them He is Messiah which prompted them to ask what kind of miracle would He perform to show them - even though they had just witnessed Him feeding a multitude to people with the little food available.

We only have to believe in Jesus for eternal life! The sign He gave was the Resurrection - what more do we need?

[Momof5]

I'm bumping this up so we don't forget about it :)

[Toymom]

Hi, I love the book of John!

6:3 - And Jesus went up to the mountain and sat there with His disciples. (Recovery Version) A mountian signifies a transcendent position - above the land and above the sea. To enjoy Christ's feeding, we need to go with Christ to the mountain.

I also love verses 16 - 21
And when evening fell, His disciples went down to the sea, and they got into a boat and began crossing the sea to Capernaum. And it had already become dark, and Jesus had not yet come to them. And because a strong wind was blowing, the sea was churning. Then, when they had rowed about twenty-five or thirty stadia, they saw Jesus walking on the sea and coming near the boat, and they became frightened. But He said to them, It is I. Do not be afraid. Then they were willing to take Him into the boat; and immediately the boat was at the land to which they were going.

The wind and churning sea signify troubles in our human life. Troubles in our job, marriage, family etc...Jesus walking on the sea shows that all of the troubles are beneath his feet. When the disciples took Jesus into their boat, they were emmediately where they wanted to be. We need to take Jesus into our "boat" - our life, our troubles, and He will calm the troubles and our life will be peaceful. Without Christ, the world is hungry and troubled. With Him, we have peace and satisfaction.
In Christ, Toymom

[Momof5]

Hi Toymom :hug: I particularly like this -


The wind and churning sea signify troubles in our human life. Troubles in our job, marriage, family etc...Jesus walking on the sea shows that all of the troubles are beneath his feet.

I hope you continue in this study with us!

[Cilla]

(KJV)
John 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but My Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

6:33 For the bread of God is He which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Don't you think these verses are just so appropriate as our minds are still with Christmas. What a stoop for the Lord Jesus to leave the Glory of heaven and come to this sinful world as a helpless babe. He gave His life so that we might live.

[Momof5]

6:33 For the bread of God is He which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Yes, Cilla - for Jesus to leave the glory of heaven and come as a man - to save us, that is so awesome. It reminds me of John 1: 14 - NKJV: And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

[Cilla]

That is a lovely link. I'm sorry I haven't been following this study, but I'm guessing that as you progress through the book you are remembering verses you have already looked at. :)

I have often longed to be one of the disciples following Him when He was here on earth. But one day we too shall behold His Glory.

"Unseen we love Thee, dear Thy Name
But when our eyes behold,
With joyful wonder we'll exclaim,
The half hath not been told!"

[Momof5]

That is a lovely link. I'm sorry I haven't been following this study, but I'm guessing that as you progress through the book you are remembering verses you have already looked at. :)

I have often longed to be one of the disciples following Him when He was here on earth. But one day we too shall behold His Glory.

"Unseen we love Thee, dear Thy Name
But when our eyes behold,
With joyful wonder we'll exclaim,
The half hath not been told!"


We have been remembering verses from this book and links to verses in other books - whatever is laid on our hearts - sometimes commentaries, etc. :hug:

[Cilla]

Shall I go on? Just to keep the ship running even though Debra isn't here.

6:34 Then said they unto Him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to Me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on Me shall never thirst. (KJV)

I immediately think back to this passage......

4:11 The woman saith unto him, ....... from whence then hast thou that living water? Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

6:34 Then said they unto Him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
4:15 The woman saith unto Him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not,

6:35 I am the bread of life: he that cometh to Me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on Me shall never thirst.
4:14 whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst;

[Momof5]

Cilla, I think we can continue....slowly. I emailed Debra to see if she minds if we continue - she has so much going on - but she is such an important part of this study. I don't get on much on the weekends so it will be at least tomorrow before I can post on this :hug:

[Cilla]

That's fine. We must do whatever she prefers us to do. I just didn't want this to fall by the wayside. :hug: No rush. We can wait and reflect! :)

[Debra R]

Thank you Brenda and Cilla for keeping this going :hug: :hug:. Wonderful job!

Thank you Toymom for joining in. :) :hug:

I am sorry, even when I have some time it seems so hard for me to write. Sometimes I can't get focused. Too much going on in my little brain I guess.

I have been reading some though. I will try to post some I promise.

Thank you my sisters.



Love you :hug:,

Debra

[Cilla]

This is especially for you Debra.........

John 4 v 6

Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with His journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.

He too knew what it was to be weary with the journey. :hug: You do not need to think or post. Just sit with Him. :hug:

[Debra R]

This is especially for you Debra.........

John 4 v 6

Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with His journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.

He too knew what it was to be weary with the journey. :hug: You do not need to think or post. Just sit with Him. :hug:Oh Cilla :hug:, I did need that.
I was wiping away tears as I read it. I keep trying to be strong and not think of being weary. But it is okay to be weary isn't it? And I can sit with Him and go ahead and cry with my weariness if I need to.
Thank you so much, my sister. :hug:

[Cilla]

Debra, the most precious times are when we just sit at His feet. He often brings us to the point when we are so weary that all we can do is sit quietly with Him. And there is no need to think or say anything. :hug:

.........Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard His word. (Luke 10)

[miepie]

Debra, the most precious times are when we just sit at His feet. He often brings us to the point when we are so weary that all we can do is sit quietly with Him. And there is no need to think or say anything. :hug:

.........Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard His word. (Luke 10)

Sorry to be barging in like this........ :rolleyes: due to my health I have been reading this thread instead of answering it, since Chal has to type most of it for me...... but I really wanted to answer this..... :hug:

I recognize this very well cause lately due to pain and all those hours on the bed that will not even allow me to go to church anymore, I feel very weary..... and I become very quiet. It's in those moments I feel God the closest to me and I remember when I was at the theatre about a year ago attending the musical "Jesus Christ Superstar". In the scene after He is crucified Mary walks to the cross and holds her Son.... now I realize that in those days that it really happened she probably couldn't have done that, but when I feel my back is against the wall I feel Yah Shua holding me.... and I realise that together we can overcome the pain and I feel very comforted. But it happens without a single word or thought.... just the fact that He is with me and holding me makes me feel loved and protected and gives me enough strength to carry on.... it's like the safety I had as a child, that no matter what happened, there were always the safe arms of my mother...... and now I am grown there are the safe arms of Yah Shua..... if He was willing to suffer so much more pain for me, then I am willing to live through my pain and be what He wants me to be......

[Momof5]

Dear Debra and Mieke :hug: :hug: My sisters, both of you need to sit at Jesus' feet and to let Jesus hold you up. We will keep this thread going - even if it is slow and see how our Lord can comfort with His Word and let Him reveal Himself to us.

[Toymom]

John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words which I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

Sisters, may the life-giving Spirit be your life and life supply. The Lord is now the life-giving spirit in resurrection. The Spirit is embodied in His words. We can turn to our spirit and receive His words and we also receive His Spirit, who is life.
May He be your strength, peace and joy!
In Christ, Toymom

[Momof5]

Amen, Toymom :hug:

[Momof5]

6:34 Then said they unto Him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to Me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on Me shall never thirst. (KJV)

These verses reflect back in Chapter 4 as Cilla cited, but it also reminds me of Isaiah 55: 1,2 - Ho! Everyone who thirsts, Come to the waters; And you who have no money, Come, buy and eat. Yes, come, buy wine and milk Without money and without price. Why do you spend money for what is not bread, And your wages for what does not satisfy? Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good, And let your soul delight itself in abundance. (NKJV)

My understanding is that thirsting is desiring what satisfies our spirit. This verse also tells me that salvation cannot be bought, that it is a free gift (Isaiah 52: 3 - For thus says the Lord: "You have sold yourselves for nothing and you shall be redeemed without money." (NKJV)

[Ponders]

I have just read through this thread and have been thinking about some of the things you all have written here. This is really interesting, thanks for posting.

[Momof5]

I have just read through this thread and have been thinking about some of the things you all have written here. This is really interesting, thanks for posting.


Hi Ponders! I hope you will join us in this study :hug:

[Debra R]

Oh Mieke, my beloved sister :hug:, thank you for sharing your thoughts and how our God comforts you and gives you strength. You are a beautiful witness of His strength and love. Your faith is uplifting to all of us. Thank you for loving our Lord and holding strong to your faith. I just want to say I love you dear sister and you are in my thoughts and prayers always :hug: :hug:.



I want to go back to John 6:29. I was reading it this morning and there are some things I want to talk about. I have to go to work now but I will post them after work before I go to see Nathaniel.

Love you all! :hug:
Debra

[miepie]

You were already in my prayers before everything happened with Nathaniel. :hug:
I love you very much and I am so proud to be your sister. :kiss:
It's not easy to let go is it? To accept that you don't have control over a difficult situation and to trust God to do the right thing, which is the right thing to do. I am letting go slowly because I know He knows better than I ever will. But it takes crying, feeling weary and sometimes a bit of anger to deal with everything. I'd like to share this verses that Chal pointed out to me earlier today.

Matthew 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

1 Chron. 29:12
Wealth and honor come from you;
you are the ruler of all things.
In your hands are strength and power
to exalt and give strength to all.

Jeremiah 32:27
"Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me?

1 Cor. 6:14
And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power.

Isaiah 41:10
Fear not, for I am with you;
Be not dismayed, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you,
Yes, I will help you,
I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.'

Isaiah 26:4
Trust in the Lord forever,
For in Yah, the Lord, is everlasting.

Lots of hugs and love! :kiss: http://img118.exs.cx/img118/1691/hug8ok.gif

[Toymom]

Hi Mieke, those are wonderful verses! May you pray them into your very being.
Debra, I looked at John 6:29:pp . I hope you do not mind if I share a little on it too.
John 6:28 - Then they said to Him, What shall we do that we may work the works of God?
It is the concept of fallen man tha we need to do something for God and work for God. This is the principle of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in Gen. 2.
John 6:29 - Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, that you believe into Him whom He has sent.
Believing into the Lord is to receive Him as your life and life supply. This is the principle of the tree of life, which brings in life - in contrast to the tree of knowledge which brings in death.
Then in verse 35, the Lord tells us that He is the bread of LIFE.
He is our life and wants to be our life and life supply! We just need to take Him in by praying, reading, praising, singing, and calling on His name!
Enjoy Christ as your life!
Toymom

[Debra R]

Thank you, Mieke, my beloved sister :hug:.

This with Nathaniel has been very difficult. I can't describe all the emotions I have had. I think I was in shock for awhile. I sometimes have that horrible feeling that Nathaniel could very well die. And I wonder how we would handle it if that would be God's will to take Nathaniel to be with Him. I have not dwelled on that though. And I don't think I will at this point.

I know God has heard our prayers and until He reveals to me otherwise I am going to believe and trust that God will heal him. And I will keep believing and trusting no matter what. And whatever God's will is, we will accept and abide by it. For He does know what is best. I believe there are many things God brings about through theses difficult situations that we have no idea of. The important thing is that God is glorified, always.


Thank you for that wonderful scripture.

Love you, my sister. :hug: :kiss:

[Debra R]

Hi Mieke, those are wonderful verses! May you pray them into your very being.
Debra, I looked at John 6:29:pp . I hope you do not mind if I share a little on it too.
John 6:28 - Then they said to Him, What shall we do that we may work the works of God?
It is the concept of fallen man tha we need to do something for God and work for God. This is the principle of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in Gen. 2.
John 6:29 - Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, that you believe into Him whom He has sent.
Believing into the Lord is to receive Him as your life and life supply. This is the principle of the tree of life, which brings in life - in contrast to the tree of knowledge which brings in death.
Then in verse 35, the Lord tells us that He is the bread of LIFE.
He is our life and wants to be our life and life supply! We just need to take Him in by praying, reading, praising, singing, and calling on His name!
Enjoy Christ as your life!
ToymomThank you Toymom :hug:,

that was wonderful! And that was what I was thinking on this morning :).

[Debra R]

This is some of what I was thinking on this morning. I tried to get a few thoughts together. Sometimes it isn't easy :).

John 6:29) Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

As I was reading this verse this morning I was thinking on the work of God. What is the work of God. What does He require of us? What does it mean to do the work of God? Sometimes I feel I am not doing the work of God. Maybe there is more I should be doing. But then I think, the greatest work of God is to just believe Him.

As I thought on this I read the cross references. In Thessalonians it talks of the work of faith, the labor of love, and the steadfastness of hope in the Lord Jesus. In John 6:29 it tells us that we are to believe in Jesus whom God has sent. In 1 John 3:23 it tells us that is God's commandment to us to believe in Jesus Christ.

So when we believe in Jesus we are following God's command. And that is the first step. Then comes our work of faith. It is something we have to decide to do. It becomes our will to stubbornly follow Christ. No matter what trials or tribulations come our way, we are determined to believe in and on the Lord Jesus. That is our faith.

Our hope is steadfast in Christ. We know who He is. He is the Son of God. He has all rule and authority. Our hope must remain in Him. Jesus who created all things. Whose love for us knows no end.
God is also honored by our faith and trust in Him. When we believe in Jesus, God is pleased. That is our desire to be pleasing to God. When we believe Him, He is pleased. That is our goal, to be pleasing to God. And to hear Him say, well done good and faithful servant.

1 Thessalonians 1:3) constantly bearing in mind your work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the presence of our God and Father,

John 3:23)
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Thank you all for helping me and inspiring me :hug:.

Love you, my sisters in Christ.
Debra

[Debra R]

I thought I would post the next set of verses :).

These are some awesome verses. :)

(NASB) John 6:

36"But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe.


37"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.


38"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.


39"This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.


40"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."



God bless :hug:.

[miepie]

John 6

36. But . . . ye have seen me, and believe not—seen Him not in His mere bodily presence, but in all the majesty of His life, His teaching, His works.

37-40. All that, &c.—This comprehensive and very grand passage is expressed with a peculiar artistic precision. The opening general statement (John 6:37) consists of two members: (1) "ALL THAT THE FATHER GIVETH ME SHALL COME TO ME"—that is, "Though ye, as I told you, have no faith in Me, My errand into the world shall in no wise be defeated; for all that the Father giveth Me shall infallibly come to Me." Observe, what is given Him by the Father is expressed in the singular number and neuter gender—literally, "everything"; while those who come to Him are put in the masculine gender and singular number—"every one." The whole mass, so to speak, is gifted by the Father to the Son as a unity, which the Son evolves, one by one, in the execution of His trust. So John 17:2, "that He should give eternal life to all that which Thou hast given Him" [BENGEL]. This "shall" expresses the glorious certainty of it, the Father being pledged to see to it that the gift be no empty mockery. (2) "AND HIM THAT COMETH TO MEI WILL IN NO WISE CAST OUT." As the former was the divine, this is just the human side of the same thing. True, the "coming" ones of the second clause are just the "given" ones of the first. But had our Lord merely said, "When those that have been given Me of My Father shall come to Me, I will receive them"—besides being very flat, the impression conveyed would have been quite different, sounding as if there were no other laws in operation, in the movement of sinners to Christ, but such as are wholly divine and inscrutable to us; whereas, though He does speak of it as a sublime certainty which men's refusals cannot frustrate, He speaks of that certainty as taking effect only by men's voluntary advances to Him and acceptance of Him—"Him that cometh to Me," "whosoever will," throwing the door wide open. Only it is not the simply willing, but the actually coming, whom He will not cast out; for the word here employed usually denotes arrival, as distinguished from the ordinary word, which rather expresses the act of coming (see John 8:42, Greek), [WEBSTER and WILKINSON]. "In no wise" is an emphatic negative, to meet the fears of the timid (as in Rev. 21:27, to meet the presumption of the hardened). These, then, being the two members of the general opening statement, what follows is meant to take in both,

38. For I came down from heaven not to do Mine own will—to play an independent part.
but—in respect to both the foregoing things, the divine and the human side of salvation.
the will of Him that sent Me—What this twofold will of Him that sent Him is, we are next sublimely told (John 6:39-40):

39. And this—in the first place.
is the will of Him that sent me, that of all—everything.
which He hath given Me—(taking up the identical words of John 6:37).
I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day—The meaning is not, of course, that He is charged to keep the objects entrusted to Him as He received them, so as they should merely suffer nothing in His hands. For as they were just "perishing" sinners of Adam's family, to let "nothing" of such "be lost," but "raise them up at the last day," must involve, first, giving His flesh for them (John 6:51), that they "might not perish, but have everlasting life"; and then, after "keeping them from falling," raising their sleeping dust in incorruption and glory, and presenting them, body and soul, perfect and entire, wanting nothing, to Him who gave them to Him, saying, "Behold I and the children which God hath given Me." So much for the first will of Him that sent Him, the divine side of man's salvation, whose every stage and movement is inscrutable to us, but infallibly certain.

40. And this—in the second place.
is the will of Him that sent Me, that every one which seeth the Son and believeth on Him—seeing the Son believeth on Him.
may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day—This is the human side of the same thing as in the foregoing verse, and answering to "Him that cometh unto Me I will in no wise cast out"; that is, I have it expressly in charge that everyone that so "beholdeth" (so vieweth) the Son as to believe on Him shall have everlasting life; and, that none of Him be lost, "I will raise him up at the last day." (See on John 6:54).

[Momof5]

Wow! These verses are awesome, Debra! Thank you for the commentary, Mieke :hug: That sure helps explain things and make them clearer.

(NASB) John 6:

36"But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe.


37"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.


38"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.


39"This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.


40"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

Even though they saw Jesus and He told them who He is, they did not believe! Jesus said he will not cast out any who comes to him because He came to do the Father's will. I love that Jesus said God's will is that no one be lost and that everyone who sees Jesus and believes in Him will have eternal life!

[miepie]

Thank Chal for that! He is the "Bible-expert" of the two of us and helps me type most of the time.

What amazes me is that family around me, who used to believe in God, don't do that anymore and they ask me what "evidence" I have for God's Existence. I always try to quote this verse as far as I remember it then, and say that if you could have proof that God really exists, it would not be belief anymore but a fact. Kinda like no one used to believe the world was round, until the proof came from outerspacepics (is that a word?). I can see, feel and experience God's Presence in my life very clearly, and if you don't believe in Him I still think those signs are there, but you don't want to see them or refuse to accept they come from God.

Of course we all know the story of Thomas:

John 20:24-29
Now Thomas, called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. [25] The other disciples therefore said to him, "We have seen the Lord." So he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe." [26] And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace to you!" [27] Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing." [28] And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" [29] Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

JFB Commentary:
29. because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed—words of measured commendation, but of indirect and doubtless painfully—felt rebuke: that is, 'Thou hast indeed believed; it is well: it is only on the evidence of thy senses, and after peremptorily refusing all evidence short of that.'
blessed they that have not seen, and yet have believed—"Wonderful indeed and rich in blessing for us who have not seen Him, is this closing word of the Gospel" [ALFORD].

John 1:44-51
Now Philip was from Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter. [45] Philip found Nathanael and said to him, "We have found Him of whom Moses in the law, and also the prophets, wrote--Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." [46] And Nathanael said to him, "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?" Philip said to him, "Come and see." [47] Jesus saw Nathanael coming toward Him, and said of him, "Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!" [48] Nathanael said to Him, "How do You know me?" Jesus answered and said to him, "Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you." [49] Nathanael answered and said to Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!" [50] Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you, 'I saw you under the fig tree,' do you believe? You will see greater things than these." [51] And He said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man."

[Momof5]

I am going to post a few more verses :)

NKJV John 6

41) The Jews then complained about Him because He said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven."

42) And they said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, "I have come down from heaven?"

43) Jesus therefore answered and said to them, "Do not murmur among yourselves.

44) No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

45) It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me."

[Debra R]

The other day a co-worker asked me about John 6: 44)
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

I wasn't quite sure how to answer him.

He has a sister who he said claims she no longer believes in God. And he said he told her that you can't come to the Father except through Jesus. And he saw this verse as saying you have to come to the Father first.

I know there is a verse that says there is only one mediator between God and man and that is the man Christ Jesus.



In John 6: 65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."



Any thoughts on this?
Thanks and God bless. :hug:

[miepie]

Hey Debra,

What about this one:

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

JFB Commentary:
4-7. whither I go ye know . . . Thomas saith, Lord, we know not whither thou guest . . . Jesus saith, I am the way, &c.—By saying this, He meant rather to draw out their inquiries and reply to them. Christ is "THE WAY" to the Father—"no man cometh unto the Father but by Me"; He is "THE TRUTH" of all we find in the Father when we get to Him, "For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. 2:9), and He is all "THE LIFE" that shall ever flow to us and bless us from the Godhead thus approached and thus manifested in Him—"this is the true God and eternal life" (1 John 5:20).

13, 14. whatsoever ye . . . ask in my name—as Mediator.
that will I do—as Head and Lord of the kingdom of God. This comprehensive promise is emphatically repeated in John 14:14.

John 14:14
If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.


And what about this one:

1 Tim. 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

JFB Commentary:
5. For there is one God—God's unity in essence and purpose is a proof of His comprehending all His human children alike (created in His image) in His offer of grace (compare the same argument from His unity, Romans 3:30; Galatians 3:20); therefore all are to be prayed for. 1 Tim. 2:4 is proved from 1 Tim. 2:5; 1 Tim. 2:1, from 1 Tim. 2:4. The one God is common to all (Isaiah 45:22; Acts 17:26). The one Mediator is mediator between God and all men potentially (Romans 3:29; Ephes. 4:5-6; Hebrews 8:6; Hebrews 9:15; Hebrews 12:24). They who have not this one God by one Mediator, have none: literally, a "go-between." The Greek order is not "and one mediator," but "one mediator also between . . . While God will have all men to be saved by knowing God and the Mediator, there is a legitimate, holy order in the exercise of that will wherewith men ought to receive it. All mankind constitute, as it were, ONE MAN before God [BENGEL].

Hope this helps (still praying for you dear) :hug:

Now you see what happens if you marry a Bibleteacher..... :D

[Momof5]

The other day a co-worker asked me about John 6: 44)
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

I wasn't quite sure how to answer him.

He has a sister who he said claims she no longer believes in God. And he said he told her that you can't come to the Father except through Jesus. And he saw this verse as saying you have to come to the Father first.

I know there is a verse that says there is only one mediator between God and man and that is the man Christ Jesus.



In John 6: 65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."



Any thoughts on this?
Thanks and God bless. :hug:


Hi Debra and Mieke :hug:

Things get confusing don't they?

This is how I explain this to my 3rd and 4th graders (I think they understand and accept way more than we adults do :) ):

Our God is 3 in 1 - God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. God the Father is Holy and cannot bear sin, so He sent God the Son (Jesus) as a sacrifice, that by His blood, our sins are forgiven and Jesus is the bridge between us (sinful man) and our Holy God. Jesus made the way for us to approach our Holy God. Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit who would "teach all things" once He ascended to sit at the right hand of the Father. John 14:26 -But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. (NKJV)

So, in my opinion, we are drawn by the Holy Spirit who convicts us of our sinful state and shines the light on the Truth (Jesus), who when we come to Him, He covers us with His blood that our sins are no longer seen by God and we have access to Him. So we are drawn by God and taught by God but come to God through Jesus!

God draws people by teaching them. Isaiah 54:13 - All your children shall be taught by the Lord, and great shall be the peace of your children. (NKJV)

Does this make sense?

[Debra R]

Hey Debra,

What about this one:

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

JFB Commentary:
4-7. whither I go ye know . . . Thomas saith, Lord, we know not whither thou guest . . . Jesus saith, I am the way, &c.—By saying this, He meant rather to draw out their inquiries and reply to them. Christ is "THE WAY" to the Father—"no man cometh unto the Father but by Me"; He is "THE TRUTH" of all we find in the Father when we get to Him, "For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. 2:9), and He is all "THE LIFE" that shall ever flow to us and bless us from the Godhead thus approached and thus manifested in Him—"this is the true God and eternal life" (1 John 5:20).

13, 14. whatsoever ye . . . ask in my name—as Mediator.
that will I do—as Head and Lord of the kingdom of God. This comprehensive promise is emphatically repeated in John 14:14.

John 14:14
If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.


And what about this one:

1 Tim. 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

JFB Commentary:
5. For there is one God—God's unity in essence and purpose is a proof of His comprehending all His human children alike (created in His image) in His offer of grace (compare the same argument from His unity, Romans 3:30; Galatians 3:20); therefore all are to be prayed for. 1 Tim. 2:4 is proved from 1 Tim. 2:5; 1 Tim. 2:1, from 1 Tim. 2:4. The one God is common to all (Isaiah 45:22; Acts 17:26). The one Mediator is mediator between God and all men potentially (Romans 3:29; Ephes. 4:5-6; Hebrews 8:6; Hebrews 9:15; Hebrews 12:24). They who have not this one God by one Mediator, have none: literally, a "go-between." The Greek order is not "and one mediator," but "one mediator also between . . . While God will have all men to be saved by knowing God and the Mediator, there is a legitimate, holy order in the exercise of that will wherewith men ought to receive it. All mankind constitute, as it were, ONE MAN before God [BENGEL].

Hope this helps (still praying for you dear) :hug:

Now you see what happens if you marry a Bibleteacher..... :D

That was great Mieke, :hug:

I printed it out and gave it to him. He really liked it.
Thank you so much!!

Love you dear sister. :hug:

[Debra R]

Hi Debra and Mieke :hug:

Things get confusing don't they?

This is how I explain this to my 3rd and 4th graders (I think they understand and accept way more than we adults do :) ):

Our God is 3 in 1 - God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. God the Father is Holy and cannot bear sin, so He sent God the Son (Jesus) as a sacrifice, that by His blood, our sins are forgiven and Jesus is the bridge between us (sinful man) and our Holy God. Jesus made the way for us to approach our Holy God. Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit who would "teach all things" once He ascended to sit at the right hand of the Father. John 14:26 -But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. (NKJV)

So, in my opinion, we are drawn by the Holy Spirit who convicts us of our sinful state and shines the light on the Truth (Jesus), who when we come to Him, He covers us with His blood that our sins are no longer seen by God and we have access to Him. So we are drawn by God and taught by God but come to God through Jesus!

God draws people by teaching them. Isaiah 54:13 - All your children shall be taught by the Lord, and great shall be the peace of your children. (NKJV)

Does this make sense?

Thank you Brenda, :hug:

I printed this out and gave it to him too.
He was very happy. You and Mieke were a great help!
He also told me he bought her the book, "The case for Christ" by Lee Strobel.
I told him that was great! He said she promised to read it.

God is good!!

Love you my sister. :hug:

[Debra R]

John 6:45) It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me."

As I was thinking on this verse I thought of this Scripture in Jeremiah.
Jeremiah 31:33) But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

34) No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, "Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

The LORD says, we will all know Him. That is wonderful. He has promised to make Himself known to us. I think of this verse, (can't remember where it is right now) but it says, you shall seek me and find me when you search for me with all your heart.

And the last part of verse 34 makes me think of that in Psalms ( I think in 103) that as far as the east is from the west so far has He removed our transgressions from us.

Have a blessed day!!

In Christ's love,
Debra

[miepie]

John 6:45) It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me."

Thanks Debra, my beautiful sister. I am no Bible-expert but I must admit that I really enjoy doing this. I learn a lot and I am taught while I am continueing my journey here. Thanks for that. :hug:

JFB Commentary:
45. written in the prophets—in Isaiah 54:13; other similar passages may also have been in view. Our Lord thus falls back upon Scripture authority for this seemingly hard saying.
all taught of God—not by external revelation merely, but by internal illumination, corresponding to the "drawing" of John 6:44.
Every man therefore, &c.—that is, who hath been thus efficaciously taught of Him.
cometh unto me—with absolute certainty, yet in the sense above given of "drawing"; that is, "As none can come to Me but as divinely drawn, so none thus drawn shall fail to come."

Isaiah 54:13
All your children shall be taught by the Lord,
And great shall be the peace of your children.

JFB Commentary:
13. Quoted by the Saviour (John 6:45), to prove that in order to come to Him, men must be "drawn" by the Father. So Jeremiah 31:34; Micah 4:2; 1 Cor. 2:10; Hebrews 8:10; Hebrews 10:16; 1 John 2:20.

Micah 4:2
Many nations shall come and say,
"Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths."
For out of Zion the law shall go forth,
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

1 Cor. 2:10
But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

1 John 2:20
But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.


JFB Commentary:
great shall be the peace—generally (Psalm 119:165). Specially referring to the peaceful prosperity which shall prevail under Messiah in the latter days (Isaiah 2:4; Isaiah 9:6).

Psalm 119:165
Great peace have those who love Your law,
And nothing causes them to stumble.

Isaiah 2:4
He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

I can't imagine how that will be.... when Yah Shua returns to us again. It will be the most glorious day of my life. I can hardly wait till that day comes.....

[Momof5]

Mieke and Debra, thank you for helping me learn :hug: I sure appreciate the commentaries and Scripture references and insight you have!

I am going to post a few more verses.....

NKJV John 6

46) Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

47) Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

48) I am the bread of life.

49) Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50) This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.

51) I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."

[Debra R]

Thanks Debra, my beautiful sister. I am no Bible-expert but I must admit that I really enjoy doing this. I learn a lot and I am taught while I am continueing my journey here. Thanks for that. :hug:

JFB Commentary:
45. written in the prophets—in Isaiah 54:13; other similar passages may also have been in view. Our Lord thus falls back upon Scripture authority for this seemingly hard saying.
all taught of God—not by external revelation merely, but by internal illumination, corresponding to the "drawing" of John 6:44.
Every man therefore, &c.—that is, who hath been thus efficaciously taught of Him.
cometh unto me—with absolute certainty, yet in the sense above given of "drawing"; that is, "As none can come to Me but as divinely drawn, so none thus drawn shall fail to come."

Isaiah 54:13
All your children shall be taught by the Lord,
And great shall be the peace of your children.

JFB Commentary:
13. Quoted by the Saviour (John 6:45), to prove that in order to come to Him, men must be "drawn" by the Father. So Jeremiah 31:34; Micah 4:2; 1 Cor. 2:10; Hebrews 8:10; Hebrews 10:16; 1 John 2:20.

Micah 4:2
Many nations shall come and say,
"Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths."
For out of Zion the law shall go forth,
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

1 Cor. 2:10
But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

1 John 2:20
But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.


JFB Commentary:
great shall be the peace—generally (Psalm 119:165). Specially referring to the peaceful prosperity which shall prevail under Messiah in the latter days (Isaiah 2:4; Isaiah 9:6).

Psalm 119:165
Great peace have those who love Your law,
And nothing causes them to stumble.

Isaiah 2:4
He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

I can't imagine how that will be.... when Yah Shua returns to us again. It will be the most glorious day of my life. I can hardly wait till that day comes.....


Mieke, this is great!!
Awesome Scripture!
That commentary is very helpful.
Thank you so much! :hug: :hug:



I can't imagine how that will be.... when Yah Shua returns to us again. It will be the most glorious day of my life. I can hardly wait till that day comes..



Me too!!

Love you, my sister :hug:

[miepie]

I like doing this..... it's very interesting and Chal helps me to understand everything so much better. I always thought of the Bible as very difficult to read, but now, thanks to the both of you, I enjoy it cause I understand what i am reading. I used to have problems reading just a little text in the Bible, but now when I start reading it's very hard to stop again and it just feels like I am there. It has become the best book I can read, which it should be anyway. Thanks :hug:

John 6:46
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

JFB Commentary:
46. Not that any man hath seen, &c.—Lest they should confound that "hearing and learning of the Father," to which believers are admitted by divine teaching, with His own immediate access to Him, He here throws in a parenthetical explanation; stating, as explicitly as words could do it, how totally different the two cases were, and that only He who is "from God" hath this naked, immediate access to the Father. (See John 1:18).

John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

JFB Commentary:
18. No man—"No one," in the widest sense.
hath seen God—by immediate gaze, or direct intuition.
in the bosom of the Father—A remarkable expression, used only here, presupposing the Son's conscious existence distinct from the Father, and expressing His immediate and most endeared access to, and absolute acquaintance with, Him.
he—emphatic; As if he should say, "He and He only hath declared Him," because He only can.

John 6:47
John 6:47
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

JFB Commentary:
47-51. He that believeth, &c.—(See on John 3:36; John 5:24).

John 3:36:
John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

JFB Commentary:
36. hath everlasting life—already has it.
shall not see life—The contrast here is striking: The one has already a life that will endure for ever—the other not only has it not now, but shall never have it—never see it.
abideth on him—It was on Him before, and not being removed in the only possible way, by "believing on the Son," it necessarily remaineth on him! Note.—How flatly does this contradict the teaching of many in our day, that there neither was, nor is, anything in God against sinners which needed to be removed by Christ, but only in men against God!

John 5:24:
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

JFB Commentary:
24. believeth on him that sent me—that is, believeth in Him as having sent Me. I have spoken of the Son's right not only to heal the sick but to raise from the dead, and quicken whom He will: And now I say unto you, That life-giving operation has already passed upon all who receive My words as the Sent of the Father on the great errand of mercy.
hath everlasting life—immediately on his believing
is passed—"hath passed over"
from death unto life—What a transition!


John 6:48
John 6:48
I am the bread of life.

JFB Commentary:
48. I am the bread of life—"As he that believeth in Me hath everlasting life, so I am Myself the everlasting Sustenance of that life." (Repeated from John 6:35).

John 6:35
And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

JFB Commentary:
35. I am the bread of life—Henceforth the discourse is all in the first person, "I," "Me," which occur in one form or other, as STIER reckons, thirty-five times.
he that cometh to me—to obtain what the soul craves, and as the only all-sufficient and ordained source of supply.
hunger . . . thirst—shall have conscious and abiding satisfaction.


John 6:49
Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

JFB Commentary:

49. Your fathers—of whom ye spake (John 6:31); not "ours," by which He would hint that He had a higher descent, of which they dreamt not .
did eat manna . . . and are dead—recurring to their own point about the manna, as one of the noblest of the ordained preparatory illustrations of His own office: "Your fathers, ye say, ate manna in the wilderness; and ye say well, for so they did, but they are dead—even they whose carcasses fell in the wilderness did eat of that bread; the Bread whereof I speak cometh down from heaven, which the manna never did, that men, eating of it, may live for ever."

John 6:31
Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

JFB Commentary:
31. Our fathers did eat manna, &c.—insinuating the inferiority of Christ's miracle of the loaves to those of Moses: "When Moses claimed the confidence of the fathers, 'he gave them bread from heaven to eat'—not for a few thousands, but for millions, and not once only, but daily throughout their wilderness journey."

[B]John 6:50
This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.

There is no commentary for this verse :confused but I think it just confirms the words of verse 49 again. No bread shall keep us alive, unless it is the Bread of Life, Jesus Christ.


John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."

JFB Commentary:
51. I am, &c.—Understand, it is of MYSELF I now speak as the Bread from heaven; of MEif a man eat he shall live for ever; and "THE BREAD WHICH I WILL GIVE IS MY FLESH, WHICH I WILL GIVE FOR THE LIFE OF THE WORLD." Here, for the first time in this high discourse, our Lord explicitly introduces His sacrificial death—for only rationalists can doubt this not only as that which constitutes Him the Bread of life to men, but as THAT very element IN HIM WHICH POSSESSES THE LIFE-GIVING VIRTUE.—"From this time we hear no more (in this discourse) of "Bread"; this figure is dropped, and the reality takes its place" [STIER]. The words "I will give" may be compared with the words of institution at the Supper, "This is My body which is given for you" (Luke 22:19), or in Paul's report of it, "broken for you" (1 Cor. 11:24-25).

Luke 22:19
And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."

1 Cor. 11:24-25
and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." [25] In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

JFB Commentary:
24. brake—The breaking of the bread involves its distribution and reproves the Corinthian mode at the love-feast, of "every one taking before other his own supper."
my body . . . broken for you—"given" (Luke 22:19) for you (Greek, "in your behalf"), and "broken," so as to be distributed among you. The oldest manuscripts omit "broken," leaving it to be supplied from "brake." The two old versions, Memphitic and Thebaic, read from Luke, "given." The literal "body" could not have been meant; for Christ was still sensibly present among His disciples when He said, "This is My body." They could only have understood Him symbolically and analogically: As this bread is to your bodily health, so My body is to the spiritual health of the believing communicant. The words, "Take, eat," are not in the oldest manuscripts.
in remembrance of me— in remembrance of me—Luke (Luke 22:19) expresses this, which is understood by Matthew and Mark. Paul twice records it (1 Cor. 11:24 and 25) as suiting his purpose. The old sacrifices brought sins continually to remembrance. The Lord's Supper brings to remembrance Christ and His sacrifice once for all for the full and final remission of sins.


What amazes me the most is to discover that you can find the Words of Jesus back in the Old Testament. It makes clear how beautiful God's Plan is for this world and how amazing it all fits together. Sometimes when I can't sleep or have too much pain I imagine myself sitting in the crowd somewhere in the back, listening to Jesus' Words being preached to me, and it fills me with warmth and so much amazing happiness to realise what He did to give me eternal life. I can clearly feel His Presence in my life, but I live for the moment I will be able to really sit at His Feet and hear His Words.

[Momof5]

Great post Mieke! I am not so sure I have anything to add :) I sure enjoy studying with you girls :hug:

[miepie]

I sure enjoy studying with you girls :hug:

Me too! http://img118.exs.cx/img118/1691/hug8ok.gif

How about some more verses :idea: ?

[Momof5]

Me too! http://img118.exs.cx/img118/1691/hug8ok.gif

How about some more verses :idea: ?

Okay, a few more.....we have to give Debra time to keep up with you :lol:

NKJV John 6

52) The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?"

53) Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

54) Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

55) For My flesh is food indeed and My blood is drink indeed.

56) He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

57) As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.

58) This is the bread which came down from heaven - not as your fathers ate the manna and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever."

59) These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.

Feeding on His flesh - this reminds me that I have to feed on the Word of God. John 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (NKJV) This is how my faith grows. I think Jesus was telling them AGAIN that eternal life came by believing!

[miepie]

John 6:52
The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?"

JFB Commentary
52. Jews strove among themselves—arguing the point together.
How can, &c.—that is, Give us His flesh to eat? Absurd.


John 6:53
Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

JFB Commentary
53-58. Except ye eat the flesh . . . and drink the blood . . . no life, &c.—The harshest word He had yet uttered in their ears. They asked how it was possible to eat His flesh. He answers, with great solemnity, "It is indispensable." Yet even here a thoughtful hearer might find something to temper the harshness. He says they must not only "eat His flesh" but "drink His blood," which could not but suggest the idea of His death—implied in the separation of one's flesh from his blood. And as He had already hinted that it was to be something very different from a natural death, saying, "My flesh I will give for the life of the world" (John 6:51), it must have been pretty plain to candid hearers that He meant something above the gross idea which the bare terms expressed. And farther, when He added that they "had no life in them unless they thus ate and drank," it was impossible they should think He meant that the temporal life they were then living was dependent on their eating and drinking, in this gross sense, His flesh and blood. Yet the whole statement was certainly confounding, and beyond doubt was meant to be so. Our Lord had told them that in spite of all they had "seen" in Him, they "did not believe" (John 6:36). For their conviction therefore he does not here lay Himself out; but having the ear not only of them but of the more candid and thoughtful in the crowded synagogue, and the miracle of the loaves having led up to the most exalted of all views of His Person and Office, He takes advantage of their very difficulties and objections to announce, for all time, those most profound truths which are here expressed, regardless of the disgust of the unteachable, and the prejudices even of the most sincere, which His language would seem only designed to deepen. The truth really conveyed here is no other than that expressed in John 6:51, though in more emphatic terms—that He Himself, in the virtue of His sacrificial death, is the spiritual and eternal life of men; and that unless men voluntarily appropriate to themselves this death, in its sacrificial virtue, so as to become the very life and nourishment of their inner man, they have no spiritual and eternal life at all. Not as if His death were the only thing of value, but it is what gives all else in Christ's Incarnate Person, Life, and Office, their whole value to us sinners.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."

John 6:36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.

John 6:54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

JFB Commentary
54. Whoso eateth . . . hath, &c.—The former verse said that unless they partook of Him they had no life; this adds, that whoever does so "hath eternal life."
and I will raise him up at the last day—For the fourth time this is repeated (see John 6:39-40, 44) —showing most clearly that the "eternal life" which such a man "hath" cannot be the same with the future resurrection life from which it is carefully distinguished each time, but a life communicated here below immediately on believing (John 3:36; John 5:24-25); and giving to the resurrection of the body as that which consummates the redemption of the entire man, a prominence which in the current theology, it is to be feared, it has seldom had. (See Romans 8:23).

John 6:39-40 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. [40] And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Romans 8:23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.


John 6:55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed.


John 6:56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

JFB Commentary
56. He that eateth . . . dwelleth in me and I in him—As our food becomes incorporated with ourselves, so Christ and those who eat His flesh and drink His blood become spiritually one life, though personally distinct.


John 6:57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.

JFB Commentary
57. As the living Father hath sent me—to communicate His own life.
and I live by the Father—literally, "because of the Father"; My life and His being one, but Mine that of a Son, whose it is to be "of the Father." (See John 1:18; John 5:26). he that eateth me, . . . shall live by me—literally, "because of Me." So that though one spiritual life with Him, "the Head of every man is Christ, as the head of Christ is God" (1 Cor. 11:3; 1 Cor. 3:23).

John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

John 5:26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,

1 Cor. 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

1 Cor. 3:23 And you are Christ's, and Christ is God's.


John 6:58 This is the bread which came down from heaven--not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever."

JFB Commentary
58. This is that bread, &c.—a sort of summing up of the whole discourse, on which let this one further remark suffice—that as our Lord, instead of softening down His figurative sublimities, or even putting them in naked phraseology, leaves the great truths of His Person and Office, and our participation of Him and it, enshrined for all time in those glorious forms of speech, so when we attempt to strip the truth of these figures, figures though they be, it goes away from us, like water when the vessel is broken, and our wisdom lies in raising our own spirit, and attuning our own ear, to our Lord's chosen modes of expression. (It should be added that although this discourse has nothing to do with the Sacrament of the Supper, the Sacrament has everything to do with it, as the visible embodiment of these figures, and, to the believing partaker, a real, yea, and the most lively and affecting participation of His flesh and blood, and nourishment thereby of the spiritual and eternal life, here below).


John 6:59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.

JFB Commentary
59. These things said he in the synagogue—which seems to imply that what follows took place after the congregation had broken up.

[Momof5]

Mieke, you are too fast. I can't keep up with you :) :hug: :) I am still studying on these verses. Thank you for posting the commentary. It is a tremendous help!

[miepie]

Actually this was Chal's doing..... he had to do all the typing! :D

Take all the time you need and let me know when you are ready..... :hug:

[Debra R]

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Originally Posted by Momof5
I sure enjoy studying with you girls :hug:


Me too! http://img118.exs.cx/img118/1691/hug8ok.gif


Me three :) http://img118.exs.cx/img118/1691/hug8ok.gif

How about some more verses :idea: ?


Momof5--Okay, a few more.....we have to give Debra time to keep up with you :lol:



I think its too late :D, I don't know if we will be able to keep up with her :).

Go Mieke go! :pp :pp

Great stuff!!

Thank you, our beloved sister! :hug: :kiss:

And thank Chal for us too. :)

[Debra R]

John 6:46
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

JFB Commentary:
46. Not that any man hath seen, &c.—Lest they should confound that "hearing and learning of the Father," to which believers are admitted by divine teaching, with His own immediate access to Him, He here throws in a parenthetical explanation; stating, as explicitly as words could do it, how totally different the two cases were, and that only He who is "from God" hath this naked, immediate access to the Father. (See John 1:18).


I was just reading and thinking. :)

Isn't it awesome and amazing that God, as big and powerful as He is, would even think about us, and even greater than that, that He would want us to have access to Him. Have you ever really thought about that? It just boggles the mind sometimes . :)

Sometimes I think, who am I ? that He loves me so.

I am not worthy of so great a love. It just makes me cry sometimes.



JFB Commentary:
36. hath everlasting life—already has it.
shall not see life—The contrast here is striking: The one has already a life that will endure for ever—the other not only has it not now, but shall never have it—never see it.
abideth on him—It was on Him before, and not being removed in the only possible way, by "believing on the Son," it necessarily remaineth on him! Note.—How flatly does this contradict the teaching of many in our day, that there neither was, nor is, anything in God against sinners which needed to be removed by Christ, but only in men against God!


In reading this, I have joy that we have and are assured of eternal life with God our Father. But then, I have sadness for those who will not turn to Christ that they may live, but instead would rather have God's wrath abiding on them.



JFB Commentary:
48. I am the bread of life—"As he that believeth in Me hath everlasting life, so I am Myself the everlasting Sustenance of that life." (Repeated from John 6:35).

John 6:35
And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

JFB Commentary:
35. I am the bread of life—Henceforth the discourse is all in the first person, "I," "Me," which occur in one form or other, as STIER reckons, thirty-five times.
he that cometh to me—to obtain what the soul craves, and as the only all-sufficient and ordained source of supply.
hunger . . . thirst—shall have conscious and abiding satisfaction

Reading this I am reminded of Matthew 5:6) Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.

When we come to Jesus, He fulfills our every need.

I was just thinking, if we are lacking anything it has to be that we don't know or are not close enough to Jesus yet. Because, everything we need is in Him.

John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."

JFB Commentary:
51. I am, &c.—Understand, it is of MYSELF I now speak as the Bread from heaven; of MEif a man eat he shall live for ever; and "THE BREAD WHICH I WILL GIVE IS MY FLESH, WHICH I WILL GIVE FOR THE LIFE OF THE WORLD." Here, for the first time in this high discourse, our Lord explicitly introduces His sacrificial death—for only rationalists can doubt this not only as that which constitutes Him the Bread of life to men, but as THAT very element IN HIM WHICH POSSESSES THE LIFE-GIVING VIRTUE.—"From this time we hear no more (in this discourse) of "Bread"; this figure is dropped, and the reality takes its place" [STIER]. The words "I will give" may be compared with the words of institution at the Supper, "This is My body which is given for you" (Luke 22:19), or in Paul's report of it, "broken for you" (1 Cor. 11:24-25).

Luke 22:19
And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."

1 Cor. 11:24-25
and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." [25] In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

JFB Commentary:
24. brake—The breaking of the bread involves its distribution and reproves the Corinthian mode at the love-feast, of "every one taking before other his own supper."
my body . . . broken for you—"given" (Luke 22:19) for you (Greek, "in your behalf"), and "broken," so as to be distributed among you. The oldest manuscripts omit "broken," leaving it to be supplied from "brake." The two old versions, Memphitic and Thebaic, read from Luke, "given." The literal "body" could not have been meant; for Christ was still sensibly present among His disciples when He said, "This is My body." They could only have understood Him symbolically and analogically: As this bread is to your bodily health, so My body is to the spiritual health of the believing communicant. The words, "Take, eat," are not in the oldest manuscripts.
in remembrance of me— in remembrance of me—Luke (Luke 22:19) expresses this, which is understood by Matthew and Mark. Paul twice records it (1 Cor. 11:24 and 25) as suiting his purpose. The old sacrifices brought sins continually to remembrance. The Lord's Supper brings to remembrance Christ and His sacrifice once for all for the full and final remission of sins.


Wow, I don't think I have read much of the JFB commentary before until you started posting it, I think it is very good. I like it!!



Mieke--What amazes me the most is to discover that you can find the Words of Jesus back in the Old Testament. It makes clear how beautiful God's Plan is for this world and how amazing it all fits together. Sometimes when I can't sleep or have too much pain I imagine myself sitting in the crowd somewhere in the back, listening to Jesus' Words being preached to me, and it fills me with warmth and so much amazing happiness to realise what He did to give me eternal life. I can clearly feel His Presence in my life, but I live for the moment I will be able to really sit at His Feet and hear His Words.



Ahh yes! Me too!
There are times I wish I could have been born back then and seen Jesus in the flesh and followed Him around :). I can only imagine.

But, it will be even better when we are with Him eternally, forever and ever to sit at His feet and bask in His love. I was just thinking, it will be mighty crowded at His feet for I am sure there are many that will want to be there too.

Love you, :hug:

Debra

[Debra R]

John 6:52
The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?"

JFB Commentary
52. Jews strove among themselves—arguing the point together.
How can, &c.—that is, Give us His flesh to eat? Absurd.


John 6:53
Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

JFB Commentary
53-58. Except ye eat the flesh . . . and drink the blood . . . no life, &c.—The harshest word He had yet uttered in their ears. They asked how it was possible to eat His flesh. He answers, with great solemnity, "It is indispensable." Yet even here a thoughtful hearer might find something to temper the harshness. He says they must not only "eat His flesh" but "drink His blood," which could not but suggest the idea of His death—implied in the separation of one's flesh from his blood. And as He had already hinted that it was to be something very different from a natural death, saying, "My flesh I will give for the life of the world" (John 6:51), it must have been pretty plain to candid hearers that He meant something above the gross idea which the bare terms expressed. And farther, when He added that they "had no life in them unless they thus ate and drank," it was impossible they should think He meant that the temporal life they were then living was dependent on their eating and drinking, in this gross sense, His flesh and blood. Yet the whole statement was certainly confounding, and beyond doubt was meant to be so. Our Lord had told them that in spite of all they had "seen" in Him, they "did not believe" (John 6:36). For their conviction therefore he does not here lay Himself out; but having the ear not only of them but of the more candid and thoughtful in the crowded synagogue, and the miracle of the loaves having led up to the most exalted of all views of His Person and Office, He takes advantage of their very difficulties and objections to announce, for all time, those most profound truths which are here expressed, regardless of the disgust of the unteachable, and the prejudices even of the most sincere, which His language would seem only designed to deepen. The truth really conveyed here is no other than that expressed in John 6:51, though in more emphatic terms—that He Himself, in the virtue of His sacrificial death, is the spiritual and eternal life of men; and that unless men voluntarily appropriate to themselves this death, in its sacrificial virtue, so as to become the very life and nourishment of their inner man, they have no spiritual and eternal life at all. Not as if His death were the only thing of value, but it is what gives all else in Christ's Incarnate Person, Life, and Office, their whole value to us sinners.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."

John 6:36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.

John 6:54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

JFB Commentary
54. Whoso eateth . . . hath, &c.—The former verse said that unless they partook of Him they had no life; this adds, that whoever does so "hath eternal life."
and I will raise him up at the last day—For the fourth time this is repeated (see John 6:39-40, 44) —showing most clearly that the "eternal life" which such a man "hath" cannot be the same with the future resurrection life from which it is carefully distinguished each time, but a life communicated here below immediately on believing (John 3:36; John 5:24-25); and giving to the resurrection of the body as that which consummates the redemption of the entire man, a prominence which in the current theology, it is to be feared, it has seldom had. (See Romans 8:23).

John 6:39-40 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. [40] And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Romans 8:23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.


John 6:55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed.


John 6:56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

JFB Commentary
56. He that eateth . . . dwelleth in me and I in him—As our food becomes incorporated with ourselves, so Christ and those who eat His flesh and drink His blood become spiritually one life, though personally distinct.


John 6:57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.

JFB Commentary
57. As the living Father hath sent me—to communicate His own life.
and I live by the Father—literally, "because of the Father"; My life and His being one, but Mine that of a Son, whose it is to be "of the Father." (See John 1:18; John 5:26). he that eateth me, . . . shall live by me—literally, "because of Me." So that though one spiritual life with Him, "the Head of every man is Christ, as the head of Christ is God" (1 Cor. 11:3; 1 Cor. 3:23).

John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

John 5:26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,

1 Cor. 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

1 Cor. 3:23 And you are Christ's, and Christ is God's.


John 6:58 This is the bread which came down from heaven--not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever."

JFB Commentary
58. This is that bread, &c.—a sort of summing up of the whole discourse, on which let this one further remark suffice—that as our Lord, instead of softening down His figurative sublimities, or even putting them in naked phraseology, leaves the great truths of His Person and Office, and our participation of Him and it, enshrined for all time in those glorious forms of speech, so when we attempt to strip the truth of these figures, figures though they be, it goes away from us, like water when the vessel is broken, and our wisdom lies in raising our own spirit, and attuning our own ear, to our Lord's chosen modes of expression. (It should be added that although this discourse has nothing to do with the Sacrament of the Supper, the Sacrament has everything to do with it, as the visible embodiment of these figures, and, to the believing partaker, a real, yea, and the most lively and affecting participation of His flesh and blood, and nourishment thereby of the spiritual and eternal life, here below).


John 6:59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.

JFB Commentary
59. These things said he in the synagogue—which seems to imply that what follows took place after the congregation had broken up.


:) The only thing I would like to add here is the cross references for this verse....(NASB) John 6:56) "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.



John 15:4) "Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.

John 17:23) I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.

1 John 2:24) As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

1 John 4:15) Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.


God bless. :hug:

[Momof5]

I am going to post a few more....

NKJV John 6

60) Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, "This is a hard saying, who can understand it?"

61) When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, "Does this offend you?

62) What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?

63) It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

64) But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

65) And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."

I read an interesting note on this focusing on the word "disciple." In these verses it means "learner." Not all of the disciples were believers but they came to learn. When they said it was a hard saying, it was hard for them to understand about eating flesh and drinking blood since Jews were forbidden to taste blood.

[miepie]

I read an interesting note on this focusing on the word "disciple." In these verses it means "learner." Not all of the disciples were believers but they came to learn. When they said it was a hard saying, it was hard for them to understand about eating flesh and drinking blood since Jews were forbidden to taste blood.

mathetes, Greek 3101, Strong’s
mathetes, math-ay-tes'; from Greek 3129 (manthano); a learner, i.e. pupil :- disciple.

John 6:60
Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, "This is a hard saying; who can understand it?"

JFB Commentary:
60-65. Many . . . of his disciples—His pretty constant followers, though an outer circle of them.
hard saying—not merely harsh, but insufferable, as the word often means in the Old Testament.
who can hear—submit to listen to it.


John 6:61-62
When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, "Does this offend you?
What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?

JFB Commentary:
61, 62. Doth this offend . . . What and if, &c.—that is, "If ye are stumbled at what I have said, how will ye bear what I now say?" Not that His ascension itself would stumble them more than His death, but that after recoiling from the mention of the one, they would not be in a state of mind to take in the other.


John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

JFB Commentary:
63. the flesh profiteth nothing—Much of His discourse was about "flesh"; but flesh as such, mere flesh, could profit nothing, much less impart that life which the Holy Spirit alone communicates to the soul.
the words that I speak . . . are spirit and . . . life—The whole burden of the discourse is "spirit," not mere flesh, and "life" in its highest, not its lowest sense, and the words I have employed are to be interpreted solely in that sense.


John 6:64
But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

JFB Commentary:
64. But there are some, &c.—that is, "But it matters little to some of you in what sense I speak, for ye believe not." This was said, adds the Evangelist, not merely of the outer but of the inner circle of His disciples; for He knew the traitor, though it was not yet time to expose him.

John 6:65
And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."

JFB Commentary:
65. Therefore said I, &c.—that is, "That was why I spoke to you of the necessity of divine teaching which some of you are strangers to."
except it were given him—plainly showing that by the Father's "drawing" (John 6:44) was meant an internal and efficacious operation, for in recalling the statement here He says, it must be "given to a man to come" to Christ.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


What amazement came to me when I read these verses. Yah Shua knew what was going to happen to Him, He even knew already who would betray Him, but it was not the time yet to reveal it..... but then He still was treating His future traitor with love and teaching him..... I wonder if we would be able to do that..... if we would know what our enemies would do to us in the future, if we would have the compassion and love for them the way Yah Shua had..... and knowing how our life would be, still choosing to live it..... I know that if I had knew everything, that my life would take place for the most part on a bed.... I probably would have chosen not to live..... while He knew how He would be sacrificied and still wanted to do God's Will and take our sins upon Him..... there is no greater love than that...... :pray:
We, in the flesh, are nothing.... but with His Sacrifice we can live to be forever with Him. Like the minister said when we listened at home to the churchservice..... things that seem so simple, like water, can become signs of God (referring to the Wedding of Cana, where Yah Shua turned water into wine (John 2:1-12). Like when you don't know which way to go, and suddenly someone crosses your path and helps you along..... that's what keeps me going. For my flesh is weak, but God's Spirit keeps me strong. :hug:

[Debra R]

mathetes, Greek 3101, Strong’s
mathetes, math-ay-tes'; from Greek 3129 (manthano); a learner, i.e. pupil :- disciple.

John 6:60
Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, "This is a hard saying; who can understand it?"

JFB Commentary:
60-65. Many . . . of his disciples—His pretty constant followers, though an outer circle of them.
hard saying—not merely harsh, but insufferable, as the word often means in the Old Testament.
who can hear—submit to listen to it.


John 6:61-62
When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, "Does this offend you?
What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?

JFB Commentary:
61, 62. Doth this offend . . . What and if, &c.—that is, "If ye are stumbled at what I have said, how will ye bear what I now say?" Not that His ascension itself would stumble them more than His death, but that after recoiling from the mention of the one, they would not be in a state of mind to take in the other.


John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

JFB Commentary:
63. the flesh profiteth nothing—Much of His discourse was about "flesh"; but flesh as such, mere flesh, could profit nothing, much less impart that life which the Holy Spirit alone communicates to the soul.
the words that I speak . . . are spirit and . . . life—The whole burden of the discourse is "spirit," not mere flesh, and "life" in its highest, not its lowest sense, and the words I have employed are to be interpreted solely in that sense.


John 6:64
But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

JFB Commentary:
64. But there are some, &c.—that is, "But it matters little to some of you in what sense I speak, for ye believe not." This was said, adds the Evangelist, not merely of the outer but of the inner circle of His disciples; for He knew the traitor, though it was not yet time to expose him.

John 6:65
And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."

JFB Commentary:
65. Therefore said I, &c.—that is, "That was why I spoke to you of the necessity of divine teaching which some of you are strangers to."
except it were given him—plainly showing that by the Father's "drawing" (John 6:44) was meant an internal and efficacious operation, for in recalling the statement here He says, it must be "given to a man to come" to Christ.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


What amazement came to me when I read these verses. Yah Shua knew what was going to happen to Him, He even knew already who would betray Him, but it was not the time yet to reveal it..... but then He still was treating His future traitor with love and teaching him..... I wonder if we would be able to do that..... if we would know what our enemies would do to us in the future, if we would have the compassion and love for them the way Yah Shua had..... and knowing how our life would be, still choosing to live it..... I know that if I had knew everything, that my life would take place for the most part on a bed.... I probably would have chosen not to live..... while He knew how He would be sacrificied and still wanted to do God's Will and take our sins upon Him..... there is no greater love than that...... :pray:
We, in the flesh, are nothing.... but with His Sacrifice we can live to be forever with Him. Like the minister said when we listened at home to the churchservice..... things that seem so simple, like water, can become signs of God (referring to the Wedding of Cana, where Yah Shua turned water into wine (John 2:1-12). Like when you don't know which way to go, and suddenly someone crosses your path and helps you along..... that's what keeps me going. For my flesh is weak, but God's Spirit keeps me strong. :hug:



Thank you so much for your words and insight Mieke, our beloved sister. :kiss: :hug:




I want to say again, I am so thankful for you, Brenda and Mieke, my sisters.
You two are such a blessing to me. Love you. :hug: :kiss:

[Debra R]

I will post the last set of verses. :)


(NAS) John 6:66) As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.



67) So Jesus said to the twelve, "You do not want to go away also, do you?"


68) Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.


69) "We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God."


70) Jesus answered them, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?"

71) Now He meant Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray Him.



Have a very blessed day!! :hug:

Love,
Debra

[Momof5]

(NAS) John 6:66) As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.

67) So Jesus said to the twelve, "You do not want to go away also, do you?"

68) Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.

69) "We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God."

70) Jesus answered them, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?"

71) Now He meant Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray Him.

Peter confessed Jesus as the Christ. Luke 9:20 - He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered and said "The Christ of God." NKJV I don't see anywhere that Judas made that same confession.



I hate that this chapter is done, although it is long and took awhile. Are we going to continue with Chapter 7? :hug: :) :hug:

[Toymom]

Hi, I just love verse 63 - It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words which I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

The greek word for words, in this verse and verse 68, is rhema which means the instant and present spoken word. It is different from logos (which is used for Word in 1:1), which means the constant word. In this verse, the words follows the Spirit. First, the lord shows that for giving life He would become the Spirit. Then He said that the words He speaks are spirit and Life. This shows us that HIs spoken words are the embodiment of the Spirit of life. He is now the life-giving Spirit in resurrection and the Spirit is embodied in His words. This is so cool! When we turn to our human spirit and open to the Lord and receive His words, we get the Spirit, who is life! God's words are spirit and life to us! We can be supplied life through His word! Praise the Lord that He is our life and life supply!
In Christ, Toymom

[Debra R]

(NAS) John 6:66) As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.

67) So Jesus said to the twelve, "You do not want to go away also, do you?"

68) Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.

69) "We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God."

70) Jesus answered them, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?"

71) Now He meant Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray Him.

Peter confessed Jesus as the Christ. Luke 9:20 - He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered and said "The Christ of God." NKJV I don't see anywhere that Judas made that same confession.



I hate that this chapter is done, although it is long and took awhile. Are we going to continue with Chapter 7? :hug: :) :hug:

Brenda, :hug:

I have really enjoyed this chapter too. And I have really enjoyed studying with you and Mieke and all who joined us. And I do want to say again that you all have helped me tremendously during this difficult time of my life.
Thank you for uplifting me and giving me so much encouragement. :hug: :hug:

And I hate that this chapter is done too.:(

Who all wants to go on with Chapter 7??

I do!! :)

[miepie]

Brenda, :hug:

I have really enjoyed this chapter too. And I have really enjoyed studying with you and Mieke and all who joined us. And I do want to say again that you all have helped me tremendously during this difficult time of my life.
Thank you for uplifting me and giving me so much encouragement. :hug: :hug:

And I hate that this chapter is done too.:(

Who all wants to go on with Chapter 7??

I do!! :)
Me too..... please don't stop....... :rolleyes:

Ok. John 6: 66-71

John 6:66
From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more.

JFB Commentary:
From that time, &c.—or, in consequence of this. Those last words of our Lord seemed to have given them the finishing stroke—they could not stand it any longer.
walked no more—Many a journey, it may be, they had taken with Him, but now they gave Him up finally!


John 6:67
Then Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also want to go away?"

JFB Commentary:
67. the twelve—the first time they are thus mentioned in this Gospel.
Will ye also go away?—Affecting appeal! Evidently Christ felt the desertion of Him even by those miserable men who could not abide His statements; and seeing a disturbance even of the wheat by the violence of the wind which blew away the chaff (not yet visibly showing itself, but open to His eyes of fire), He would nip it in the bud by this home question.


John 6:68
But Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

JFB Commentary:
68. Then Simon Peter—whose forwardness in this case was noble, and to the wounded spirit of His Lord doubtless very grateful.
Lord, to whom, &c.—that is, "We cannot deny that we have been staggered as well as they, and seeing so many go away who, as we thought, might have been retained by teaching a little less hard to take in, our own endurance has been severely tried, nor have we been able to stop short of the question, Shall we follow the rest, and give it up? But when it came to this, our light returned, and our hearts were reassured. For as soon as we thought of going away, there arose upon us that awful question, 'TO WHOM shall we go?' To the lifeless formalism and wretched traditions of the elders? to the gods many and lords many of the heathen around us? or to blank unbelief? Nay, Lord, we are shut up. They have none of that 'ETERNAL LIFE' to offer us whereof Thou hast been discoursing, in words rich and ravishing as well as in words staggering to human wisdom. That life we cannot want; that life we have learnt to crave as a necessity of the deeper nature which Thou hast awakened: 'the words of that eternal life' (the authority to reveal it and the power to confer it). Thou hast: Therefore will we stay with Thee—we must."


John 6:69
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

JFB Commentary:
69. And we believe,—(See on Matthew 16:16). Peter seems to have added this not merely—probably not so much—as an assurance to his Lord of his heart's belief in Him, as for the purpose of fortifying himself and his faithful brethren against that recoil from his Lord's harsh statements which he was probably struggling against with difficulty at that moment. Note.—There are seasons when one's faith is tried to the utmost, particularly by speculative difficulties; the spiritual eye then swims, and all truth seems ready to depart from us. At such seasons, a clear perception that to abandon the faith of Christ is to face black desolation, ruin and death; and on recoiling from this, to be able to fall back, not merely on first principles and immovable foundations, but on personal experience of a Living Lord in whom all truth is wrapt up and made flesh for our very benefit—this is a relief unspeakable. Under that blessed Wing taking shelter, until we are again fit to grapple with the questions that have staggered us, we at length either find our way through them, or attain to a calm satisfaction in the discovery that they lie beyond the limits of present apprehension.

Matthew 16:16
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

JFB Commentary:
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God—He does not say, "Scribes and Pharisees, rulers and people, are all perplexed; and shall we, unlettered fishermen, presume to decide?" But feeling the light of his Master's glory shining in his soul, he breaks forth—not in a tame, prosaic acknowledgment, "I believe that Thou art," &c.—but in the language of adoration—such as one uses in worship, "THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD!" He first owns Him the promised Messiah; then he rises higher, echoing the voice from heaven—"This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"; and in the important addition—"Son of the LIVING GOD"—he recognizes the essential and eternal life of God as in this His Son—though doubtless without that distinct perception afterwards vouchsafed.


John 6:70-71
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? [71] He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

JFB Commentary:
70. Have not I chosen . . . and one of you is a devil:—"Well said, Simon-Barjonas, but that 'we' embraces not so wide a circle as in the simplicity of thine heart thou thinkest; for though I have chosen you but twelve, one even of these is a 'devil'" (the temple, the tool of that wicked one).

[Momof5]

Good, I am so glad we will continue :hug: Who is going to start Chapter 7? :)

[miepie]

Good, I am so glad we will continue :hug: Who is going to start Chapter 7? :)
What about you? :D

[Momof5]

What about you? :D

Okay, I will. It will be a little later....I have my grandbaby today so things are slow going :)

[Debra R]

John 6:67
Then Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also want to go away?"

Can you picture Jesus asking us that question? Do you want to go away?

And what would we say?


John 6:68
But Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.



We can answer the same as Simon Peter.

Lord, to whom shall we go?

You are our life, you have rescued us from the darkness and brought us into your marvelous light.



John 6:69
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

And we also believe and are sure that Jesus, is the Christ, the Son of the living God!

Praise His Holy Name!

[Debra R]

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Originally Posted by miepie
What about you? :D


Okay, I will. It will be a little later....I have my grandbaby today so things are slow going :)

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