John Chapter 7

[Momof5]

I bet when Susie started Chapter 1, she never thought we would get this far :) Based on the number of views for each chapter, there are a lot of readers. May God bless each one through His Word :hug:

I told Miepie I would start the thread, so here goes.......

NKJV John 7

1) After these things Jesus walked in Galilee, for the Jews sought to kill Him.

"The Jews" means the religious leaders, not the people.

2) Now the Jews' Feast of Tabernacles was at hand.

The Feast of Tabernacles commemorated the days when the Israelites wandered in the wilderness and lived in tents. Leviticus 23:34 - Speak to the children of Israel saying: The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the Feast of Tabernacles for seven days to the Lord. (NKJV)

3) His brothers therefore said to Him, "Depart from here and go into Judea, that Your disciples also may see the works that You are doing.

4) For no one does anything in secret while he himself seeks to be known openly."

His brothers were being sarcastic.

5) For even His brothers did not believe in Him.

Psalm 69:8 - I have become a stranger to my brothers and an alien to my mother's children. (NKJV)

[miepie]

Ok then, here we go again! :pp

John 7:1
After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for He did not want to walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill Him.

JFB Commentary:
CHRIST AT THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES.
After these things—that is, all that is recorded after John 5:18.
walked in Galilee—continuing His labors there, instead of going to Judea, as might have been expected.
sought to kill him—referring back to John 5:18. Hence it appears that our Lord did not attend the Passover mentioned in John 6:4 —being the third since His ministry began, if the feast mentioned in John 5:1 was a Passover.

John 5:18
For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 6:4
Now the Passover, a feast of the Jews, was near.

John 5:1
After this there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.


John 7:2
Now the Jews' Feast of Tabernacles was at hand.

JFB Commentary:
2. feast of tabernacles . . . at hand—This was the last of the three annual festivals, celebrated on the fifteenth of the seventh month (September). (See Leviticus 23:33, &c.; Deut. 16:13, &c.; Neh. 8:14-18).

Deut. 16:13
"You shall observe the Feast of Tabernacles seven days, when you have gathered from your threshing floor and from your winepress.

Neh. 8:14-18
And they found written in the Law, which the Lord had commanded by Moses, that the children of Israel should dwell in booths during the feast of the seventh month, [15] and that they should announce and proclaim in all their cities and in Jerusalem, saying, "Go out to the mountain, and bring olive branches, branches of oil trees, myrtle branches, palm branches, and branches of leafy trees, to make booths, as it is written." [16] Then the people went out and brought them and made themselves booths, each one on the roof of his house, or in their courtyards or the courts of the house of God, and in the open square of the Water Gate and in the open square of the Gate of Ephraim. [17] So the whole assembly of those who had returned from the captivity made booths and sat under the booths; for since the days of Joshua the son of Nun until that day the children of Israel had not done so. And there was very great gladness. [18] Also day by day, from the first day until the last day, he read from the Book of the Law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day there was a sacred assembly, according to the prescribed manner.


John 7:3-5
His brothers therefore said to Him, "Depart from here and go into Judea, that Your disciples also may see the works that You are doing. [4] For no one does anything in secret while he himself seeks to be known openly. If You do these things, show Yourself to the world." [5] For even His brothers did not believe in Him.

JFB Commentary:
3-5. His brethren said: Depart . . . into Judea, &c.—In John 7:5 this speech is ascribed to their unbelief. But as they were in the "upper room" among the one hundred and twenty disciples who waited for the descent of the Spirit after the Lord's ascension, they seem to have had their prejudices removed, perhaps after His resurrection. Indeed here their language is more that of strong prejudice and suspicion (such as near relatives, even the best, too frequently show in such cases), than from unbelief. There was also, probably, a tincture of vanity in it. "Thou hast many disciples in Judea; here in Galilee they are fast dropping off; it is not like one who advances the claims Thou dost to linger so long here, away from the city of our solemnities, where surely 'the kingdom of our father David' is to be set up: 'seeking,' as Thou dost, 'to be known openly,' those miracles of Thine ought not to be confined to this distant corner, but submitted at headquarters to the inspection of 'the world.'"

[Debra R]

I bet when Susie started Chapter 1, she never thought we would get this far :)


:D I bet she didn't think we would either. Just look what she has started. :)

It is all because of her. She inspired us to good things!
Thank you Susie! :hug:

And thank you Brenda! :hug:

And Mieke! :hug:

Momof5...I told Miepie I would start the thread, so here goes.......


Mieke...Ok then, here we go again! :pp



You girls are great!!

Love you. :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

[Debra R]

I thought I would post the next verses. :)



(NKJ) John 7:6-9



John 7:6) Then Jesus said to them, "My time has not yet come, but your time is always ready.

Jesus was telling His brothers that it was not yet time for Him to show Himself to the world and to finish what He came into the world to do.


Here are a few cross references...

Matthew 26:18) And He said, "Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him, "The Teacher says, "My time is at hand; I will keep the Passover at your house with My disciples.""'

John 7:30) Therefore they sought to take Him; but no one laid a hand on Him, because His hour had not yet come.



John 7:7) The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil.

cross references...



John 15:18) "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.

John 3:19) And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

The world hated Jesus because He revealed their darkness to them and they didn't want to see it.



John 7:8) You go up to this feast. I am not yet going up to this feast, for My time has not yet fully come."

John 7:9) When He had said these things to them, He remained in Galilee.





God bless. :)

[Momof5]

I only have one comment....

John 7:7) The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil.

Jesus was letting His brothers know that it was because they were of the world that the world could not hate them.

[miepie]

I probably have more comments...... :P :D

John 7:6-7
Then Jesus said to them, "My time has not yet come, but your time is always ready. [7] The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:6-7. Jesus responded that His time differed from theirs. They could come and go without any significance; for them any time is right. But He always pleased the Father, so His time movements were those the Father desired. It was not yet time for the public manifestation (the Cross). Several times John noted that Jesus’ time had not yet come (2:4; 7:6, 8, 30; 8:20). Then in His intercessory prayer, just before the Cross, He began, “Father, the time has come” (17:1; cf. 12:23, 27; 13:1).
The world was not dangerous to the brothers of Jesus because they were part of it (the world cannot hate you). But the world hated Jesus because He is not of it. He had come into it as Light and pointed out its sin and rebellion against the Father. The world has its religions, its programs, its plans, its values, but Christ witnessed that it is all evil (ponēra, “wicked”). Partly because of this, He lived carefully in order to fulfill the Father’s will.

John 2:4
Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come."

John 7:30
Therefore they sought to take Him; but no one laid a hand on Him, because His hour had not yet come.

John 8:20
These words Jesus spoke in the treasury, as He taught in the temple; and no one laid hands on Him, for His hour had not yet come.

John 17:1
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,

John 12:23
And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

John 12:27
Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

John 13:1
Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.


John 7:6
You go up to this feast. I am not yet going up to this feast, for My time has not yet fully come." [9] When He had said these things to them, He remained in Galilee.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:8-9. I am not yet going up to this Feast is clearly the thought in light of verse 10. However, most Greek editions of the New Testament omit the word “yet,” because it is considered a difficult reading, but it is more likely in the original. If Jesus said, “I am not going up to the Feast,” was He lying since He did go to the Feast? (v. 10) No, He simply meant that He was not going up to the Feast “right then,” as they suggested. Jesus then for a time stayed in Galilee, doing the tasks of ministry which the Father had ordained.
“Going up” may have a geographical meaning (since Jerusalem is in the hills) as well as a theological meaning (going back to the Father).


JFB Commentary:
6-10. My time is not yet come—that is, for showing Himself to the world.
your time is always ready—that is "It matters little when we go up, for ye have no great plans in life, and nothing hangs upon your movements. With Me it is otherwise; on every movement of Mine there hangs what ye know not. The world has no quarrel with you, for ye bear no testimony against it, and so draw down upon yourselves none of its wrath; but I am here to lift up My voice against its hypocrisy, and denounce its abominations; therefore it cannot endure Me, and one false step might precipitate its fury on its Victim's head before the time. Away, therefore, to the feast as soon as it suits you; I follow at the fitting moment, but 'My time is not yet full come.'"


Willmington's Bible Handbook:
John 7:1-9 The hostility of his half brothers. When opposition in Judea drove Jesus back to Galilee, he encountered hostility there as well—from his own half brothers (other sons of Joseph and Mary). Though they initially rejected his messianic claims (John 7:5), two of them—James and Jude—later came to faith, as seen by the NT books that bear their names. Assuming their conversions occurred after the Resurrection (see 1 Cor. 15:7), they are a dramatic testimony to the historical reality of that event. (See Matthew 13:55.)

John 7:5
For even His brothers did not believe in Him.

1 Cor. 15:7
After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles.

Matthew 13:55
Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas?

[Momof5]

I am going to add a few more verses.....

NKJV John 7

10) But when His brothers had gone up, then He also went up to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.

11) Then the Jews sought Him at the feast, and said "Where is He?"

12) And there was much complaining among the people concerning Him. Some said, "He is good"; others said, "No, on the contrary, He deceives the people."

13) However, no one spoke openly of Him for fear of the Jews.

Even though the people had differing opinions of Jesus, they did not speak openly for fear of being put out of the synagogue. John 9:22 - His parents said these things because they feared the Jews, for the Jews had agreed already that if anyone confessed that He was Christ, he would be put out of the synagogue. I read an interesting note about being put out of the synagogue - there were 3 types of excommunication: for 30 days, where the person couldn't come within 6 feet of anyone else; an indefinite excommunication where the person was excluded from all fellowship and worship; and one that was forever. No one could conduct business with a person who was excommunicated.

[Debra R]

:) :) :)

I have just a small comment. I'll leave the big comments to Mieke. :D


John 7:12) And there was much complaining among the people concerning Him. Some said, "He is good"; others said, "No, on the contrary, He deceives the people."


Wherever Jesus went, He did cause a reaction among the people. Those who came in contact with Him were affected in one way or another. I guess the same could be said of today. The people either reject Him, or come to know and believe He is who He says He is, the Son of the living God.

God bless. :)

[Toymom]

I love this, but am having a hard time keeping up. I am also reading Matthew and Proverbs, and a book about the Kingdom of the Heavens and a chapter in another book about Baptism........

Anyway, here is a footnote from the Recovery Version that I have - I will paraphrase parts of it:
John 7:2 Now the Jews' Feast of Tabernacles was near.

In the scene of the case in ch. 6 there was the Feast of the Passover. In this case, there is the Feast of the Tabernacles. The Feast of the Passover is the first of the Jewish annual feasts, and the Feast of Tabernacles is the last. Passover, the first feast of the year, implies the beginning of man's life which involves man's seeking for satisfaction and results in man's hunger. The Feast of the Tabernacles, the last feast of the year, implies the completion and success of man's life, which will end and will result in man's thirst. In the scene of the Passover Feast, the Lord presented Himself as the bread of life, which satisfies man's hunger. In the scene of the Feast of Tabernacles, the Lord promised that He would flow forth the living water, which quenches man's thirst.
The Feast of the Tabernacles was held after the full harvest of their crops to worship God and enjoy what they had reaped. This feast signifies the completion, achievement, and success in man's career, man's study, and other matters of human life, including religion.
God ordained the Feast of TAbernacles so that the children of Israel would remember how their fathers, while wandering in the wilderness, had lived in tents expecting to enter into the rest of the good land. So this feast is a reminder that today people are still in the wilderness and need to enter into the est of the New Jerusalem which is the eternal tabernacle (Rev. 21:2-3), in which there will be a river of water of life proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb to quench man's thirst (Rev. 22:1, 17). At the end of such a feast, which had such a background, Christ cried out the promise of the rivers of living water, which will satisfy man's expectation for eternity (v 37-39).
Praise the Lord for being the real drink who can quench all our thirst.
In Christ, Toymom

[miepie]

John 7:10
But when His brothers had gone up, then He also went up to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.

JFB Commentary:
10. then went he . . . not openly—not "in the (caravan) company" [MEYER]. See on Luke 2:44.
as it were in secret—rather, "in a manner secretly"; perhaps by some other route, and in a way not to attract notice.

Luke 2:44
but supposing Him to have been in the company, they went a day's journey, and sought Him among their relatives and acquaintances.


John 7:11
Then the Jews sought Him at the feast, and said, "Where is He?"

JFB Commentary:
11 Jews—the rulers.
sought him—for no good end.
Where is He?—He had not been at Jerusalem for probably a year and a half.


John 7:12
And there was much complaining among the people concerning Him. Some said, "He is good"; others said, "No, on the contrary, He deceives the people."

JFB Commentary:
12. much murmuring—buzzing.
among the people—the multitudes; the natural expression of a Jewish writer, indicating without design the crowded state of Jerusalem at this festival [WEBSTER and WILKINSON].
a good man . . . Nay . . . deceiveth the people—the two opposite views of His claims, that they were honest, and that they were an imposture.


John 7:13
However, no one spoke openly of Him for fear of the Jews.

JFB Commentary:
13. none spake openly of him—that is, in His favor, "for fear of the [ruling] Jews."


Willmington's Bible Handbook:
John 7:10-13 Devout man or deceiver? As Jesus went again to Jerusalem, there was much discussion among the masses as to whether he was a good man or a master deceiver (John 7:10-13). Though many of the leaders wanted to kill him (see John 5:10-16), they dared not even debate with him for fear that the people would be on his side (John 7:13).

John 5:10-16
The Jews therefore said to him who was cured, "It is the Sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your bed." [11] He answered them, "He who made me well said to me, 'Take up your bed and walk.'" [12] Then they asked him, "Who is the Man who said to you, 'Take up your bed and walk'?" [13] But the one who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, a multitude being in that place. [14] Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you." [15] The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
[16] For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
D. Jesus’ return to Jerusalem and the resumption of hostility (7:10-10:42)
1. THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES (7:10-8:59)
A. THE ANTICIPATION OF THE FEAST (7:10-13)
7:10. Because of plots to kill Him (vv. 1, 25) Jesus made a covert entry into the city. It was not yet the time for His messianic manifestation (the Cross).
7:11-13. While Jesus’ enemies were searching for Him, people were debating this controversial Teacher. The opposition against Jesus was growing. A widespread whispering (lit., “grumbling”; cf. 6:41, 61), occurred. (Cf. the Israelites’ grumbling in the wilderness.) The charge, He deceives the people, had ominous tones for the penalty for this, according to Talmudic law, was death by stoning. Since the whole crowd was Jewish, fear of the Jews meant fear of the religious leaders.

John 7:1
After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for He did not want to walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill Him.

John 7:25
Now some of them from Jerusalem said, "Is this not He whom they seek to kill?

John 6:41
The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven."

John 6:61
When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, "Does this offend you?

I hope this is big enough for you Debra! :P :hug:

[Momof5]

Wow, this is really getting good. I love the Recovery Version you are using, Toymom! I know things get going fast (I am in a couple of other studies in my church too). I love the big comments from Mieke! I just love that we are using several translations, too - and Debra has such insight and cross references :hug: I will just jump in here and there and make a comment and an occasional cross reference and thoroughly enjoy learning from you all!!!

[Debra R]

Miepie

I hope this is big enough for you Debra! :P :hug:



:spin: It was Mieke! :) Thank you! :hug:





Wow, this is really getting good. I love the Recovery Version you are using, Toymom! I know things get going fast (I am in a couple of other studies in my church too). I love the big comments from Mieke! I just love that we are using several translations, too - and Debra has such insight and cross references :hug: I will just jump in here and there and make a comment and an occasional cross reference and thoroughly enjoy learning from you all!!!


I second that!
It is great learning together and from each other! Our God is good!

And Momof5 you have taught us a lot too! :hug: Thank you! :hug:

[Debra R]

I will post the next verses...... :)


(NASB) John 7:14) But when it was now the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and began to teach.


15)The Jews then were astonished, saying, "How has this man become learned, having never been educated?"


16) So Jesus answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.


17) "If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself.


18) "He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.

God bless. :hug:

[miepie]

Thanks Debra :hug: I really love doing this (sometimes together with Chal). It makes me forget my pain for a moment. :pp Thanks Toymom and you too Brenda! :pp

John 7:14
Now about the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught.

JFB Commentary:
14 about the midst of the feast—the fourth or fifth day of the eight, during which it lasted.
went up into the temple and taught—The word denotes formal and continuous teaching, as distinguished from mere casual sayings. This was probably the first time that He did so thus openly in Jerusalem. He had kept back till the feast was half through, to let the stir about Him subside, and entering the city unexpectedly, had begun His "teaching" at the temple, and created a certain awe, before the wrath of the rulers had time to break it.


John 7:15
And the Jews marveled, saying, "How does this Man know letters, having never studied?"

JFB Commentary:
15. How knoweth . . . letters—learning (Acts 26:24).
having never learned—at any rabbinical school, as Paul under Gamaliel. These rulers knew well enough that He had not studied under any human teacher—an important admission against ancient and modern attempts to trace our Lord's wisdom to human sources [MEYER]. Probably His teaching on this occasion was expository, manifesting that unrivalled faculty and depth which in the Sermon on the Mount had excited the astonishment of all.

Acts 26:24
Now as he thus made his defense, Festus said with a loud voice, "Paul, you are beside yourself! Much learning is driving you mad!"

JFB Commentary:
24. Festus said with a loud voice—surprised and bewildered.
Paul, thou art beside thyself, much learning doth make thee mad—"is turning thy head." The union of flowing Greek, deep acquaintance with the sacred writings of his nation, reference to a resurrection and other doctrines to a Roman utterly unintelligible, and, above all, lofty religious earnestness, so strange to the cultivated, cold-hearted skeptics of that day—may account for this sudden exclamation.


John 7:16
Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

JFB Commentary:
16. doctrine . . . not mine, &c.—that is, from Myself unauthorized; I am here by commission.


John 7:17
If anyone wants to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority.

JFB Commentary:
17. If any man will do his will, &c.—"is willing," or "wishes to do."
whether . . . of God, or . . . of myself—from above or from beneath; is divine or an imposture of Mine. A principle of immense importance, showing, on the one hand, that singleness of desire to please God is the grand inlet to light on all questions vitally affecting one's eternal interests, and on the other, that the want of his, whether perceived or not, is the chief cause of infidelity amidst the light of revealed religion.


Willmington's Bible Handbook:
When Jesus again taught in the Temple, the people were amazed at his level of scholarship, considering his lack of formal education (John 7:14-15). Jesus said that anyone sincerely seeking God could understand the truth (John 7:16-18).


Bible Knowledge Commentary:
JESUS AT THE FEAST (7:14-36)
John 7:14-15:
The first three days passed without anyone seeing Jesus. The crowds wondered if He would come and perhaps claim to be the Messiah. Then halfway through the Feast He began teaching in the temple courts. As the official religious leaders listened to Him along with the crowds they were amazed (cf. Mark 1:22). His teaching was learned and spiritually penetrating. Yet He had never been a disciple in any Rabbinic school. They wondered how this could be possible.

Mark 1:22
And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes.


Bible Knowledge Commentary:
John 7:16-17:
The religious authorities figured that either a person studied in a traditional school or else he was self-taught. But Jesus’ reply pointed to a third alternative. His teaching was from God who had commissioned Him (cf. 12:49-50; 14:11, 24). Jesus was God-taught, and to know Jesus properly one must be God-taught (6:45). In order to evaluate Jesus’ claim, one must desire to do God’s will. Since Jesus is God’s will for man, people must believe in Him (6:29). Faith is the prerequisite for understanding. Without faith it is impossible to please God (Heb. 11:6).

John 12:49-50
For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. [50] And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."

John 14:11
Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

John 14:24
He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.

John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

John 6:29
Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

[Debra R]

I also wanted to tell you all how our study in John has helped me with my family.

The things we have studied here in John, have helped me to answer some of their questions. :)

You know all that my grandson is going through, well, our Lord is also using this to bring my daughter and son-in-law closer to Him. I have begun a bible study with them. A friend gave me the idea. And since I am over there every day I thought it would be good too.

We have started in the book of Genesis. This is cool, after reading the first chapter my son-in-law began to ask me all kinds of questions about Jesus.

And I was able to go to the book of John and give him answers. :)

Just wanted you all to know how our Lord is using this study.

Love you all, :hug:

Debra

[Momof5]

I also wanted to tell you all how our study in John has helped me with my family.

The things we have studied here in John, have helped me to answer some of their questions. :)

You know all that my grandson is going through, well, our Lord is also using this to bring my daughter and son-in-law closer to Him. I have begun a bible study with them. A friend gave me the idea. And since I am over there every day I thought it would be good too.

We have started in the book of Genesis. This is cool, after reading the first chapter my son-in-law began to ask me all kinds of questions about Jesus.

And I was able to go to the book of John and give him answers. :)

Just wanted you all to know how our Lord is using this study.

Love you all, :hug:

Debra

Praise God!! The book of John has so much more than I ever thought too. I find I am referring more and more in my Sunday School class. God's Word never returns void!!

[Toymom]

Debra, I am so glad that the Lord is working so wonderfully in your life. I am praying for your daughter and son-in law as well as for your dear grandson. May the Lord grow in all of your family through this.

In Christ, Toymom

[Cilla]

You know all that my grandson is going through, well, our Lord is also using this to bring my daughter and son-in-law closer to Him. I have begun a bible study with them. A friend gave me the idea. And since I am over there every day I thought it would be good too.

We have started in the book of Genesis. This is cool, after reading the first chapter my son-in-law began to ask me all kinds of questions about Jesus.


:pp
That is amazing, Debra. :hug: I am so, so thrilled. God brings suffering and we think we will never come through the darkness and then we look back a little and see His Purpose. There in the black clouds was His shining Light, hidden from view, but waiting to pour down blessing upon you.

"The light shines through the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it." (John 1 v 5) NLT

[Momof5]

I just want to add some cross-references.....

(NASB) John 7:14) But when it was now the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and began to teach.

Psalm 22:22 - I will declare Your name to My brethren; in the midst of the assembly I will praise You.


15)The Jews then were astonished, saying, "How has this man become learned, having never been educated?"


16) So Jesus answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

John 3:11 - Most assuredly I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen and you do not receive Our witness.


17) "If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself.

John 3:21 - But he who does the truth comes to the light that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.

John 8:43: Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to hear My word.


18) "He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.

John 5:41 - I do not receive honor from men.

John 8:50 - And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges.

[miepie]

It's so great to see what God is capable of doing through a Biblestudy here..... :pp
I am very pleased to be studying it with you ladies, and except the fact that I learn a lot from it, it also makes me forget my pain for a moment..... and that is very rare these days..... :pp After we finished John, I vote for another part of the Bible!!! :pp

[Momof5]

It's so great to see what God is capable of doing through a Biblestudy here..... :pp
I am very pleased to be studying it with you ladies, and except the fact that I learn a lot from it, it also makes me forget my pain for a moment..... and that is very rare these days..... :pp After we finished John, I vote for another part of the Bible!!! :pp

Mieke I am so thankful our God eases your pain while you study His Word :hug:

And I second the motion for another book after we finish John (however long that takes :) )

[Debra R]

Quote:
Originally Posted by miepie
It's so great to see what God is capable of doing through a Biblestudy here..... :pp
I am very pleased to be studying it with you ladies, and except the fact that I learn a lot from it, it also makes me forget my pain for a moment..... and that is very rare these days..... :pp After we finished John, I vote for another part of the Bible!!! :pp



Mieke I am so thankful our God eases your pain while you study His Word :hug:

Me too!!:hug:

And I second the motion for another book after we finish John (however long that takes :) )

Me too!! :)

[Debra R]

I think I will post the next set of verses.

And at any time we want to go back and add thoughts or more study material to previous verses we can. :)


(NASB) John 7:

19) "Did not Moses give you the Law, and yet none of you carries out the Law? Why do you seek to kill Me?"


20) The crowd answered, "You have a demon! Who seeks to kill You?"


21) Jesus answered them, "I did one deed, and you all marvel.


22) "For this reason Moses has given you circumcision (not because it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and on the Sabbath you circumcise a man.


23) "If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the Law of Moses will not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made an entire man well on the Sabbath?


24) "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

[miepie]

I am going on a very severe diet tomorrow..... a desperate effort to try to improve my health.... I hope y'all post tons of verses here..... as long as I am typing, or Chal if I can't, I am not eating anything that's not allowed (and that's a LOT) :P

Ohhhhh just found out I forget John 7:18!!!!! :B
here it is:

John 7:18
He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.

JFB Commentary:
18. seeketh his own glory—(See on John 5:41-44).

John 5:41-44
I do not receive honor from men. [42] But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. [43] I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. [44] How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?

[miepie]

Ok, here are the new ones! :D

John 7:19
Did not Moses give you the law, yet none of you keeps the law? Why do you seek to kill Me?"

JFB Commentary:
19, 20. Did not Moses, &c.—that is, In opposing Me ye pretend zeal for Moses, but to the spirit and end of that law which he gave ye are total strangers, and in "going about to kill Me" ye are its greatest enemies.


Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:19. The audience boasted in Moses’ Law (9:28). Jesus attacked their self-confident religion. They assumed they were Law-keepers. But their hearts (inner thoughts) were full of evil (Mark 7:6-7, 20-22; Matt. 5:21-22). He knew them (John 2:24-25), and that their hatred would lead to murder.

John 9:28
Then they reviled him and said, "You are His disciple, but we are Moses' disciples.

Mark 7:20-22
And He said, "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. [21] For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, [22] thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness.

Matthew 5:21-22
"You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.' [22] But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

John 2:24-25
But Jesus did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all men, [25] and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man.



John 7:20
The people answered and said, "You have a demon. Who is seeking to kill You?"

JFB Commentary:
20. The people answered, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?—This was said by the multitude, who as yet had no bad feeling to Jesus, and were not in the secret of the plot hatching, as our Lord knew, against Him.


Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:20. Instead of repenting because His light had rebuked their darkness (3:19-20), they insulted Him, saying He was demon-possessed. People had said the same of John the Baptist (Matt. 11:18). Jesus had told His half-brothers the world hated Him (John 7:7), because “everyone who does evil hates the light” (3:20). To call Jesus, who is sent from God, demon-possessed is to call light darkness (cf. 8:48, 52; 10:20). They denied His accusation that they were trying to kill Him. But earlier they were in fact trying to do that very thing (5:18). (Cf. Peter who denied he would deny Jesus; Mark 14:29.)

John 3:19-20
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20] For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

Matthew 11:18
For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.'

John 7:7
The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil.

John 3:20
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

John 8:48
Then the Jews answered and said to Him, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?"

John 8:52
Then the Jews said to Him, "Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, 'If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.'

John 10:20
And many of them said, "He has a demon and is mad. Why do you listen to Him?"

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

Mark 14:29
Peter said to Him, "Even if all are made to stumble, yet I will not be."



John 7:21
Jesus answered and said to them, "I did one work, and you all marvel.

JFB Commentary:
21-24. I have done one work, &c.—Taking no notice of the popular appeal, as there were those there who knew well enough what He meant, He recalls His cure of the impotent man, and the murderous rage it had kindled (John 5:9, 16, 18). It may seem strange that He should refer to an event a year and a half old, as if but newly done. But their present attempt "to kill Him" brought up the past scene vividly, not only to Him, but without doubt to them, too, if indeed they had ever forgotten it; and by this fearless reference to it, exposing their hypocrisy and dark designs, He gave His position great moral strength.

John 5:9
And immediately the man was made well, took up his bed, and walked. And that day was the Sabbath.

John 5:16
For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.



John 7:22-23
[22]Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. [23] If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath?

JFB Commentary:
22. Moses . . . gave unto you circumcision, &c.—Though servile work was forbidden on the sabbath, the circumcision of males on that day (which certainly was a servile work) was counted no infringement of the Law. How much less ought fault to be found with One who had made a man "every whit whole"—or rather, "a man's entire body whole"—on the sabbath-day? What a testimony to the reality of the miracle, none daring to meet the bold appeal.


Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:21-23. The one miracle (lit., “work”) Jesus referred to was His healing of the paralytic at the pool of Bethesda, which He had performed in Jerusalem at His last visit. This started a fierce controversy. Circumcision is a religious rite that predated Moses. Abraham circumcised as a sign of the covenant (Gen. 17:9-14). But Moses gave Israel circumcision in the sense of establishing it as part of the Levitical system. Under the Mosaic Law, “On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised” (Lev. 12:3). If that day fell on a Sabbath, circumcising a boy would seemingly violate the Sabbath Law of rest. Yet the Jews circumcised on the Sabbath. Therefore, Jesus argued, if care for one part of the body was permitted, then certainly the healing of a whole body (that of the paralytic) should be allowed on the Sabbath. Hence they had no reason to be angry with Him.

Genesis 17:9-14
And God said to Abraham: "As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. [10] This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised; [11] and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. [12] He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant. [13] He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. [14] And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."

Leviticus 12:3
And on the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.



John 7:24
[24] Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

JFB Commentary:
24. Judge not, &c.—that is, Rise above the letter into the spirit of the law.


Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:24. Their problem was that they understood the Scriptures only superficially. They majored in minors and missed the intents of many passages (cf. Matt. 23:23; John 5:39-40). They were judging by mere appearances. Their superficial understanding was caused by their hostility against God’s Representative. In their darkness they erred. Jesus called them to make a right judgment; ultimately this was a call for them to repent.

Matthew 23:23
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

John 5:39-40
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. [40] But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

[Debra R]

miepie..I am going on a very severe diet tomorrow..... a desperate effort to try to improve my health.... I hope y'all post tons of verses here..... as long as I am typing, or Chal if I can't, I am not eating anything that's not allowed (and that's a LOT) :P




Okay Mieke, dear sister :hug:, we will keep you busy. :spin:
We will be praying for you too. We love you sooooo much!! :hug: :hug: :hug:

[Debra R]

I just want to add some cross references on this verse and some thoughts. :)



John 7:19
Did not Moses give you the law, yet none of you keeps the law? Why do you seek to kill Me?"

Why did they seek to kill Jesus? Why were they so angry? Why did they hate him?

This explains it well in the commentary Mieke posted....

JFB Commentary:
19, 20. Did not Moses, &c.—that is, In opposing Me ye pretend zeal for Moses, but to the spirit and end of that law which he gave ye are total strangers, and in "going about to kill Me" ye are its greatest enemies.


Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:19. The audience boasted in Moses’ Law (9:28). Jesus attacked their self-confident religion. They assumed they were Law-keepers. But their hearts (inner thoughts) were full of evil (Mark 7:6-7, 20-22; Matt. 5:21-22). He knew them (John 2:24-25), and that their hatred would lead to murder.
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And as I looked at some other references I saw they were also afraid of Jesus. And not only afraid of Him, but of the people too. These men were looked up to by the people. They held very high positions. They held positions of control. Jesus was trying to take their positions away from them, and their control. And for the people to follow Jesus and not them, they could not let this happen.

So they had to conspire against Him to get rid of this Man who dared to cause a rift or change, in their way of life. It didn't matter that Jesus claimed to come from God and even worse claimed equality with God. They had their rules and way of life and they wanted no interference. Even to committ murder. I imagine they even had that justified to their satisfaction so they would have no guilt. And such is the way of the evil man's heart.


Mark 11:
18) The chief priests and the scribes heard this, and began seeking how to destroy Him; for they were afraid of Him, for the whole crowd was astonished at His teaching.


Matthew 21:
46) When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet.

Mark 12:
12) And they were seeking to seize Him, and yet they feared the people, for they understood that He spoke the parable against them And so they left Him and went away.

Luke 20:
19) The scribes and the chief priests tried to lay hands on Him that very hour, and they feared the people; for they understood that He spoke this parable against them.


These verses from the commentary Mieke posted...

John 2:24-25
But Jesus did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all men, [25] and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man. </B>


They made me think of these verses because our Pastor was talking about them today, that the same words the Lord God spoke in Jeremiah are the same words Jesus spoke in Revelation. Just confirming that Jesus is indeed the Lord God. :)




Jeremiah 17:

10) "I, the LORD, search the heart,
I test the mind,
Even to give to each man according to his ways,
According to the results of his deeds.

Revelation 2:
23) 'And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.



We better wait for Brenda, I think we have gotten ahead of her. :D

Love you, :hug:
Debra

[Momof5]

Yes, you got ahead of me :) Weekends are hectic here, especially since we have all been sick :( I have bronchitis and went to the doctor Friday but that is a common thing for me. I have asthma and when the weather changes, I have an asthma attack and a lot of times it turns into bronchitis and I have to go on antibiotics. Anyway, we are all better now except my grandson and his mom took off work to stay with him (and he is getting better too), so, to end my rambling, long story, I will post.........

(NASB) John 7:

19) "Did not Moses give you the Law, and yet none of you carries out the Law? Why do you seek to kill Me?"

Moses delivered God's message. So did Jesus. Jesus reminded them that they did not keep the Law - if they did, they would not try to kill Him! He told them over and over that they did not know God! They always twisted things back around to make it seem that Jesus was in the wrong. That is what self-righteousness does. Like Debra said, positions, wealth, livelihoods were at stake. Maintaining lifestyles! Given the political situation of the time, the Jewish leadership's status and lifestyle could vanish if the crowd followed Jesus!


20) The crowd answered, "You have a demon! Who seeks to kill You?"

John 8:48: Then the Jews answered and said to Him "Do we not rightly say that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?"; John 8:52: Then the Jews said to Him, "Now we know that You have a demon!......." (NKJV)

21) Jesus answered them, "I did one deed, and you all marvel.


22) "For this reason Moses has given you circumcision (not because it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and on the Sabbath you circumcise a man.


23) "If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the Law of Moses will not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made an entire man well on the Sabbath?

Why would it be okay to perform an outward rite and not be okay to completely heal a man?


24) "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

Proverbs 24:23 - These things also belong to the wise; it is not good to show partiality in judgment. (NKJV) We are to judge things by their worth and by God's Spirit in them, not by the outward appearance.

[Momof5]

Whenever you all get ahead of me, feel free to move on if you want, I will catch up :) I thought I would post the next few verses - I don't want Mieke to think about food for her body - just spiritual food :hug:

NKJV John 7

25) Now some of them from Jerusalem said, "Is this not He whom they seek to kill?

26) But look! He speaks boldly, and they say nothing to Him. Do the rulers know indeed that this is truly the Christ?

27) However, we know where this Man is from; but when the Christ comes, no one knows where He is from."

28) Then Jesus cried out, as He taught in the temple, saying, "You both know Me, and you know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know.

29) But I know Him, for I am from Him, and He sent Me."

30) Therefore they sought to take Him; but no one laid a Hand on Him because His hour had not yet come.

31) And many of the people believed in Him, and said, "When the Christ comes, will He do more signs than these which this Man has done?"

Jesus told them that He was sent by God who is true, but that they did not know God! They could not harm Jesus at that time because God did not allow it - everything happens in His time! Through all this, many of the people believed in Him!

[miepie]

Thanks for the encouragement and prayers :hug: It's not easy, have bad stomachepains right now, but studying God's Word makes me feel a lot better spiritually and gives me power to do what He requires of me. :pray:


John 7:25
Now some of them from Jerusalem said, "Is this not He whom they seek to kill?

JFB Commentary:
25-27. some of them of Jerusalem—the citizens, who, knowing the long-formed purpose of the rulers to put Jesus to death, wondered that they were now letting Him teach openly.



John 7:26
But look! He speaks boldly, and they say nothing to Him. Do the rulers know indeed that this is truly the Christ?

JFB Commentary:
26. Do the rulers know, &c.—Have they got some new light in favor of His claims?

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:25-26. Some of the local people were amazed at His bold public teaching. They knew of a plot to kill Him. Yet the leaders were not doing what they said they would do. Why? Had the authorities changed their minds? People were confused over the lack of leadership in the nation. They felt that if He was a deceiver, He should be locked up, or if He was the Messiah, they should accept Him.



John 7:27
However, we know where this Man is from; but when the Christ comes, no one knows where He is from."

JFB Commentary:
27. Howbeit we know this man, &c.—This seems to refer to some current opinion that Messiah's origin would be mysterious (not altogether wrong), from which they concluded that Jesus could not be He, since they knew all about His family at Nazareth

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:27. The crowds assumed that Jesus (this Man) was only a Galilean carpenter from the city of Nazareth. They also believed that the Messiah (the Christ) would be unknown until His public appearing. A reader of the Gospels recognizes the irony. Jesus is more than a Galilean; He is the Logos who was virgin-born in Bethlehem. Yet He was relatively unknown until His manifestation (the Cross and the Resurrection).



John 7:28-29
Then Jesus cried out, as He taught in the temple, saying, "You both know Me, and you know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know. [29] But I know Him, for I am from Him, and He sent Me."

JFB Commentary:
28, 29. cried Jesus—in a louder tone, and more solemn, witnessing style than usual.
Ye both, &c.—that is, "Yes, ye know both Myself and My local parentage, and (yet) I am not come of Myself."
but he that sent me is true, &c.—Probably the meaning is, "He that sent Me is the only real Sender of any one."

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:28-29. Cried out introduced a solemn announcement (cf. 7:37; 12:44). He responded to their supposed knowledge of Him (7:27) with irony. He is from the Father. God is true (“reliable”; cf. v. 18; 8:26) and had sent Jesus. Whereas His enemies did not know Jesus or God (1:18; cf. Matt. 11:27), Jesus knows the Father because of His origin (John 1:1, 14, 18) and divine mission.


John 7:37
On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink.

John 12:44
Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me.

John 7:18
He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.

John 8:26
I have many things to say and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I heard from Him."

John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

Matthew 11:27
All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.



John 7:30
Therefore they sought to take Him; but no one laid a hand on Him, because His hour had not yet come.

JFB Commentary:
30-32. sought to take . . . none laid hands—their impotence being equal to their malignity.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:30. Jesus’ rebuke of the Jerusalemites stirred them to attempt to seize (piazō, “arrest”; cf. vv. 32, 44; 8:20; 10:39) Him. But the Father had ordered a time and place for His manifestation (His death), and until then all things would work in concert toward that goal. They could not lay a hand on Him because the Father’s hand was over Him.

John 7:32
The Pharisees heard the crowd murmuring these things concerning Him, and the Pharisees and the chief priests sent officers to take Him.

John 7:44
Now some of them wanted to take Him, but no one laid hands on Him.

John 8:20
These words Jesus spoke in the treasury, as He taught in the temple; and no one laid hands on Him, for His hour had not yet come.

John 10:39
Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.



John 7:31
And many of the people believed in Him, and said, "When the Christ comes, will He do more signs than these which this Man has done?"

JFB Commentary:
31. When Christ cometh, will he, &c.—that is, If this be not the Christ, what can the Christ do, when He does come, which has not been anticipated and eclipsed by this man? This was evidently the language of friendly persons, overborne by their spiteful superiors, but unable to keep quite silent.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:31. The exposure of Jesus and His teaching moved many in the crowd to believe on Him. They logically thought that His miraculous signs marked Him out as unusual. Certainly the Messiah could not do any more miracles than this Man. But the crowd’s faith in Jesus as Messiah was tentative and was not linked to belief in His atoning death.



Willmington's Bible Handbook:
John 7:25-31 “How could anyone match his miracles!” Even in Jerusalem, people rejected Jesus because they knew his human origins and believed that the Messiah would be more mysterious in nature (John 7:25-27; compare John 6:42). Jesus said that they knew he was the Messiah, whether they admitted it or not (John 7:28-29). Others in the crowd did believe, concluding that no one could possibly perform more miracles than Jesus had performed (John 7:31). Through all the confusion, God was protecting his Son so that he could complete his mission (John 7:30).

John 6:42
They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, 'I came down from heaven'?"

[Debra R]

I only have time this morning to post the next set of verses.

(NASB) John 7:

32) The Pharisees heard the crowd muttering these things about Him, and the chief priests and the Pharisees sent officers to seize Him.


33) Therefore Jesus said, "For a little while longer I am with you, then I go to Him who sent Me.


34) "You will seek Me, and will not find Me; and where I am, you cannot come."


35) The Jews then said to one another, "Where does this man intend to go that we will not find Him? He is not intending to go to the Dispersion among the Greeks, and teach the Greeks, is He?


36) "What is this statement that He said, 'You will seek Me, and will not find Me; and where I am, you cannot come'?"


Love you, :hug:

Debra

[Momof5]

(NASB) John 7:

32) The Pharisees heard the crowd muttering these things about Him, and the chief priests and the Pharisees sent officers to seize Him.

They could not seize Him at that time because it was not in God's timing.


33) Therefore Jesus said, "For a little while longer I am with you, then I go to Him who sent Me.

Jesus was letting them know that soon He would be leaving. His words to His disciples were similar in John 13:33 - Little children, I shall be with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, 'Where I am going, you cannot come,' so now I say to you.


34) "You will seek Me, and will not find Me; and where I am, you cannot come."

Hosea 5:6 - With their flocks and herds they shall go to seek the Lord, but they will not find Him; He has withdrawn Himself from them.1 Peter 3:22 - who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

35) The Jews then said to one another, "Where does this man intend to go that we will not find Him? He is not intending to go to the Dispersion among the Greeks, and teach the Greeks, is He?

They thought Jesus intended to go to another place where the Jewish people had scattered.


36) "What is this statement that He said, 'You will seek Me, and will not find Me; and where I am, you cannot come'?"

The Jewish leaders could not comprehend His meaning. They did not see Him or hear Him - they were spiritually blind and deaf.

[miepie]

John 7:32
The Pharisees heard the crowd murmuring these things concerning Him, and the Pharisees and the chief priests sent officers to take Him.

JFB Commentary:
32. heard that the people murmured—that mutterings to this effect were going about, and thought it high time to stop Him if He was not to be allowed to carry away the people.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:32. Since many in the crowd were turning to Jesus, they would set aside the Pharisees’ traditional teachings. The Pharisees, as the guardians of Jewish traditions realized something needed to be done about Jesus soon. The chief priests were leading priests, not just high priests.



John 7:33
Then Jesus said to them, "I shall be with you a little while longer, and then I go to Him who sent Me.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:33. While the plan to arrest Him proceeded, Jesus continued to teach. The nation had only a short time to decide about Him. This time was determined not by the authorities but by God. When He had completed God’s plan for His earthly life, He would return to the Father.



John 7:34
You will seek Me and not find Me, and where I am you cannot come."

JFB Commentary:
33, 34. Yet a little while, &c.—that is, "Your desire to be rid of Me will be for you all too soon fulfilled. Yet a little while and we part company—for ever; for I go whither ye cannot come: nor, even when ye at length seek Him whom ye now despise, shall ye be able to find Him"—referring not to any penitential, but to purely selfish cries in their time of desperation.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:34. You will look for Me is a prophecy that the Jewish nation will long for her Messiah. She is doing this now, not knowing that Jesus is her Messiah. Later she will weep for Him (Zech. 12:10-13; Rev. 1:7). The time of spiritual opportunity is now. A time will come when it is too late. He went bodily to heaven where unbelievers cannot come (cf. John 8:21). So people today do not have the unique opportunity people had when Jesus was speaking to them face to face.

Zech. 12:10-13
"And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. [11] In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. [12] And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; [13] the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves;

Rev. 1:7
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

John 8:21
Then Jesus said to them again, "I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin. Where I go you cannot come."



John 7:35
Then the Jews said among themselves, "Where does He intend to go that we shall not find Him? Does He intend to go to the Dispersion among the Greeks and teach the Greeks?

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:35. Once more the words of Jesus were an enigma to the Jews (cf. vv. 15, 31, 41-42). Where could He possibly go that they could not find Him? Because they were of the earth, they could think only earthly thoughts (cf. Isa. 55:8). During some of that period the Jewish people lived in Palestine whereas others migrated throughout the Roman Empire and beyond, as far east as Babylonia. They were scattered among the Greeks. “Greeks” means not just people of Greece or Greek-speaking peoples but generally non-Jews or heathen (cf. “Greek” and “Jew” in Col. 3:11). The question then was, Will Jesus go teach the heathen? Without the Jews realizing it, this question was prophetic of the spread of the gospel after Jesus’ Ascension.

John 7:15
And the Jews marveled, saying, "How does this Man know letters, having never studied?"

John 7:31
And many of the people believed in Him, and said, "When the Christ comes, will He do more signs than these which this Man has done?"

John 7:41-42
Others said, "This is the Christ." But some said, "Will the Christ come out of Galilee? [42] Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the seed of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where David was?"

Isaiah 55:8
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways," says the Lord.

Col. 3:11
where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.



John 7:36
What is this thing that He said, 'You will seek Me and not find Me, and where I am you cannot come'?"

JFB Commentary:
35, 36. Whither will he go, &c.—They cannot comprehend Him, but seem awed by the solemn grandeur of His warning. He takes no notice, however, of their questions.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:36. The crowd, after pondering what Jesus meant, simply repeated their questions. They did not understand His words.



Willmington's Bible Handbook:
John 7:32-36 Is he going to the Gentiles? When the religious leaders sent soldiers to arrest Jesus, he declared that he would soon be returning to “the one who sent me” and that none of them would be able to follow him there. Not understanding what he meant, they speculated that he was planning to leave Israel and preach to the Gentiles.

[Debra R]

Great stuff! Love you, my sisters! :hug: :hug:



I will post the next verses to keep Mieke busy. :spin:


(NASB) John 7:

37) Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.


38) "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'"


39) But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

40) Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, "This certainly is the Prophet."


41) Others were saying, "This is the Christ." Still others were saying, "Surely the Christ is not going to come from Galilee, is He?


42) "Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the descendants of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was?"


43) So a division occurred in the crowd because of Him.



Have a very blessed day!

In Christ's love,
Debra

[Toymom]

John 7:39 But this He said concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed into Him were about to receive; for the Spirit was not yet, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.

The Spirit of God has been here from the beginning (Gen.1:1-2), but when the Lord spoke this word, the Spirit as the Spirit of Christ (Rom.8:9), the Spirit of Jesus Christ (Phil.1:19), was not yet, because the Lord had not yet been glorified.
Jesus was glorified when He was resurrected (Luke24:26).
After Jesus' resurrection, the Spirit of God became the Spirit of the incarnated, crucified, and resurrected Jesus Christ. This Spirit was breathed into the disciples by Christ in the evening of the day He was resurrected (20:22).
The Spirit is now the "another Comforter", the Spirit of reality promised by Christ before His death (14:16-17).
When the Spirit was the Spirit of God, He had only the divine element. After He became the Spirit of Jesus Christ through Christ's incarnation, crucifixion, and resurrection, the Spirit had both the divine element and the human element, with all the essence and reality of the incarnation, crucifixion, and resurrection of Christ. So, the Spirit is now the all-inclusive Spirit of Jesus Christ as the living water for us to receive (vv. 38-39).
(paraphrased from footnote in Recovery Version Bible)

Praise the Lord that He became the Spirit of Jesus Christ that we may enjoy Him as the living water!

[miepie]

John 7:37
On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink.

JFB Commentary:
37-39. the last day, that great day of the feast—the eighth (Leviticus 23:39). It was a sabbath, the last feast day of the year, and distinguished by very remarkable ceremonies. "The generally joyous character of this feast broke out on this day into loud jubilation, particularly at the solemn moment when the priest, as was done on every day of this festival, brought forth, in golden vessels, water from the stream of Siloah, which flowed under the temple-mountain, and solemnly poured it upon the altar. Then the words of Isaiah 12:3 were sung, With joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of Salvation, and thus the symbolical reference of this act, intimated in John 7:39, was expressed" [OLSHAUSEN]. So ecstatic was the joy with which this ceremony was performed—accompanied with sound of trumpets—that it used to be said, "Whoever had not witnessed it had never seen rejoicing at all" [LIGHTFOOT].
Jesus stood—On this high occasion, then, He who had already drawn all eyes upon Him by His supernatural power and unrivalled teaching—"JESUS stood," probably in some elevated position.
and cried—as if making proclamation in the audience of all the people.
If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink!—What an offer! The deepest cravings of the human spirit are here, as in the Old Testament, expressed by the figure of "thirst," and the eternal satisfaction of them by "drinking." To the woman of Samaria He had said almost the same thing, and in the same terms (John 4:13-14). But what to her was simply affirmed to her as a fact, is here turned into a world-wide proclamation; and whereas there, the gift by Him of the living water is the most prominent idea—in contrast with her hesitation to give Him the perishable water of Jacob's well—here, the prominence is given to Himself as the Well spring of all satisfaction. He had in Galilee invited all the WEARY AND HEAVY-LADEN of the human family to come under His wing and they should find REST (Matthew 11:28), which is just the same deep want, and the same profound relief of it, under another and equally grateful figure. He had in the synagogue of Capernaum (John 6:36) announced Himself, in every variety of form, as "the BREAD of Life," and as both able and authorized to appease the "HUNGER," and quench the "THIRST," of all that apply to Him. There is, and there can be, nothing beyond that here. But what was on all those occasions uttered in private, or addressed to a provincial audience, is here sounded forth in the streets of the great religious metropolis, and in language of surpassing majesty, simplicity, and grace. It is just Jehovah's ancient proclamation now sounding forth through human flesh, "HO, EVERY ONE THAT THIRSTETH, COME YE TO THE WATERS, AND HE THAT HATH NO MONEY!" &c. (Isaiah 55:1). In this light we have but two alternatives; either to say with Caiaphas of Him that uttered such words, "He is guilty of death," or falling down before Him to exclaim with Thomas, " MY LORD AND MY GOD!"

[B]Leviticus 23:39 [/B]
'Also on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of the Lord for seven days; on the first day there shall be a sabbath-rest, and on the eighth day a sabbath-rest.

[B]Isaiah 12:3 [/B]
Therefore with joy you will draw water
From the wells of salvation.

[B]John 4:13-14 [/B]
Jesus answered and said to her, "Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, [14] but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life."

[B]Matthew 11:28[/B]
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

[B]John 6:36 [/B]
But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.

[B]Isaiah 55:1 [/B]
"Ho! Everyone who thirsts,
Come to the waters;
And you who have no money,
Come, buy and eat.
Yes, come, buy wine and milk
Without money and without price.

[B]Bible Knowledge Commentary:[/B]
THE LAST DAY OF THE FEAST (7:37-52)
7:37. The Feast of Tabernacles was celebrated with certain festival rituals. One was a solemn procession each day from the temple to the Gihon Spring. A priest filled a gold pitcher with water while the choir sang Isaiah 12:3. Then they returned to the altar and poured out the water. This ritual reminded them of the water from the rock during the wilderness wanderings (Num. 20:8-11; Ps. 78:15-16). It also spoke prophetically of the coming days of Messiah (cf. Zech. 14:8). The Feast’s seventh and last day was its greatest (cf. Lev. 23:36). Jesus stood, in contrast with the Rabbis’ usual position of being seated while teaching. Said in a loud voice (cf. John 1:15; 7:28; 12:44) was a way of introducing a solemn announcement. His offer, Come to Me and drink, was an offer of salvation (cf. 4:14; 6:53-56).

[B]Numbers 20:8-11 [/B]
"Take the rod; you and your brother Aaron gather the congregation together. Speak to the rock before their eyes, and it will yield its water; thus you shall bring water for them out of the rock, and give drink to the congregation and their animals." [9] So Moses took the rod from before the Lord as He commanded him. [10] And Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly together before the rock; and he said to them, "Hear now, you rebels! Must we bring water for you out of this rock?" [11] Then Moses lifted his hand and struck the rock twice with his rod; and water came out abundantly, and the congregation and their animals drank.

[B]Psalm 78:15-16 [/B]
He split the rocks in the wilderness,
And gave them drink in abundance like the depths.
[16] He also brought streams out of the rock,
And caused waters to run down like rivers.

[B]Leviticus 23:36[/B]
For seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation, and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. It is a sacred assembly, and you shall do no customary work on it.

[B]John 1:15 [/B]
John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, 'He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.' "

[B]John 7:28 [/B]
Then Jesus cried out, as He taught in the temple, saying, "You both know Me, and you know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know.

[B]John 12:44 [/B]
Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me.



[COLOR=Red][B][U]John 7:38 [/U][/B][/COLOR]
He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water."

JFB Commentary:
38. as the scripture hath said—These words belong to what follows, "Out of his belly, as the scripture hath said, shall flow," &c. referring not to any particular passage, but to such as Isaiah 58:11; Joel 3:18; Zech. 14:8; in most of which the idea is that of waters issuing from beneath the temple, to which our Lord compares Himself and those who believe in Him.
out of his belly—that is, his inner man, his soul, as in Proverbs 20:27.
rivers of living water—(See on John 4:13). It refers primarily to the copiousness, but indirectly also to the diffusiveness, of this living water to the good of others.

[B]Isaiah 58:11[/B]
The Lord will guide you continually,
And satisfy your soul in drought,
And strengthen your bones;
You shall be like a watered garden,
And like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail.

[B]Joel 3:18 [/B]
And it will come to pass in that day
That the mountains shall drip with new wine,
The hills shall flow with milk,
And all the brooks of Judah shall be flooded with water;
A fountain shall flow from the house of the Lord
And water the Valley of Acacias.

[B]Zech. 14:8 [/B]
And in that day it shall be
That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
Half of them toward the eastern sea
And half of them toward the western sea;
In both summer and winter it shall occur.

[B]Proverbs 20:27[/B]
The spirit of a man is the lamp of the Lord,
Searching all the inner depths of his heart.

[B]John 4:13 [/B]
Jesus answered and said to her, "Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again,

[B]Bible Knowledge Commentary:[/B]
7:38. Streams of living water will flow from within one who believes in Jesus. That is, he will have a continual source of satisfaction, which will provide life continually (cf. 4:14). When Jesus added, As the Scripture has said, He did not identify the Old Testament passage(s) He had in mind. But He may have thought of Psalm 78:15-16 and Zechariah 14:8 (cf. Rev. 22:1-2).

[B]John 4:14 [/B]
but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life."

[B]Rev. 22:1-2 [/B]
And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. [2] In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.



[COLOR=Red][B][U]John 7:39[/U][/B][/COLOR]
But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

JFB Commentary:
39. this spake he of the Spirit—who, by His direct personal agency, opens up this spring of living waters in the human spirit (John 3:6), and by His indwelling in the renewed soul ensures their unfailing flow.
they that believe, &c.—As the Holy Ghost is, in the redemption of man, entirely at the service of Christ, as His Agent, so it is only in believing connection with Christ that any one "receives" the Spirit.
for the Holy Ghost was not yet given—Beyond all doubt the word "given," or some similar word, is the right supplement. In John 16:7 the Holy Ghost is represented not only as the gift of Christ, but a gift the communication of which was dependent upon His own departure to the Father. Now as Christ was not yet gone, so the Holy Ghost was not yet given.
Jesus not yet glorified—The word "glorified" is here used advisedly, to teach the reader not only that the departure of Christ to the Father was indispensable to the giving of the Spirit, but that this illustrious Gift, direct from the hands of the ascended Saviour, was God's intimation to the world that He whom it had cast out, crucified, and slain, was "His Elect, in whom His soul delighted," and that it was through the smiting of that Rock that the waters of the Spirit—for which the Church was waiting, and with pomp at the feast of tabernacles proclaiming its expectation—had gushed forth upon a thirsty world.

[B]John 3:6 [/B]
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

[B]John 16:7[/B]
Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.

[B]Bible Knowledge Commentary:[/B]
7:39. John explained that the “living water” (v. 38) was the coming gift of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit within a believer satisfies his need of God, and provides him with regeneration, guidance, and empowerment. In the earliest Greek manuscripts, the words, Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, are simply, “for there was not yet Spirit.” This cannot be taken in an absolute sense since the Spirit had actively worked among people in the Old Testament era. Jesus referred to the special baptizing, sealing, and indwelling work of the Spirit in the Church Age, which would start on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:5, 8). Jesus said He would “send the Spirit” to His followers (John 15:26; 16:7). “The Spirit had not [yet] been given” to indwell believers permanently (cf. Ps. 51:11). That happened after Jesus was glorified, that is after His death, resurrection, and Ascension. “Glorified,” “glory,” and “glorify” are used frequently in John’s Gospel.

[B]Acts 1:5 [/B]
for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

[B]Acts 1:8 [/B]
But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."

[B]John 15:26 [/B]
"But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.

[B]John 16:7 [/B]
Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.

[B]Psalm 51:11 [/B]
Do not cast me away from Your presence,
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.



[COLOR=Red][B][U]John 7:40[/U][/B][/COLOR]
Therefore many from the crowd, when they heard this saying, said, "Truly this is the Prophet."

JFB Commentary:
40. Many . . . when they heard this . . . said, Of a truth, &c.—The only wonder is they did not all say it. "But their minds were blinded."

[B]Bible Knowledge Commentary:[/B]
7:40-41. The crowd continued to debate Jesus’ identity. Some saw Him as the Prophet mentioned by Moses (Deut. 18:15, 18). He would speak God’s words to people but not in the awesome display of Mount Sinai from which Moses spoke. Jesus is indeed that predicted Prophet (Acts 3:22), but many rejected Him as such. Some said Jesus is the Christ, that is, the Messiah, but others rejected that idea because He came from Galilee (cf. John 7:52).

[B]Deut. 18:15 [/B]
"The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear,

[B]Deut. 18:18 [/B]
I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.

[B]Acts 3:22 [/B]
For Moses truly said to the fathers, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you.

[B]John 7:52 [/B]
They answered and said to him, "Are you also from Galilee? Search and look, for no prophet has arisen out of Galilee."



[COLOR=Red][B][U]John 7:41[/U][/B][/COLOR]
Others said, "This is the Christ." But some said, "Will the Christ come out of Galilee?

JFB Commentary:
41. Others said, This is the Christ—(See on John 1:21).
Shall Christ come out of Galilee?

[B]John 1:21 [/B]
And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" And he answered, "No."

[B]Bible Knowledge Commentary:[/B]
7:42. According to Samuel and Isaiah (2 Sam. 7:16; Isa. 11:1) the Messiah was to be born into a Davidic family. Micah predicted that He would be born in Bethlehem David’s hometown (Micah 5:2). Jesus is from a Davidic family (Rom. 1:3) and was born in Bethlehem (Matt. 2:1-6), but the crowd ignorantly overlooked those facts.

[B]2 Samuel 7:16[/B]
And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever before you. Your throne shall be established forever." ' "

[B]Isaiah 11:1 [/B]
There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse,
And a Branch shall grow out of his roots.

[B]Micah 5:2 [/B]
"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Though you are little among the thousands of Judah,
Yet out of you shall come forth to Me
The One to be Ruler in Israel,
Whose goings forth are from of old,
From everlasting."

[B]Romans 1:3 [/B]
concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,



[COLOR=Red][B][U]John 7:42[/U][/B][/COLOR]
Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the seed of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where David was?"

JFB Commentary:
42. scripture said . . . of the seed of David, and out of . . . Bethlehem, &c.—We accept this spontaneous testimony to our David-descended, Bethlehem-born Saviour. Had those who gave it made the inquiry which the case demanded, they would have found that Jesus "came out of Galilee" (John 7:41) and "out of Bethlehem" both, alike in fulfilment of prophecy as in point of fact. (Matthew 2:23; Matthew 4:13-16).

[B]Matthew 2:23[/B]
And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, "He shall be called a Nazarene."

[B]Matthew 4:13-16 [/B]
And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is by the sea, in the regions of Zebulun and Naphtali, [14] that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying:

[15] "The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali,
By the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan,
Galilee of the Gentiles:
[16] The people who sat in darkness have seen a great light,
And upon those who sat in the region and shadow of death
Light has dawned."

[miepie]

:lol: My post was tooooooooooooo long, so I continue here...... :D
The better I keep the diet, the longer my posts become..... :P :hug:


John 7:43
So there was a division among the people because of Him. (44 Now some of them wanted to take Him, but no one laid hands on Him.)

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:43-44. The crowd’s divided opinion about Jesus enabled Him to continue His ministry without immediate arrest. Many of the people held a favorable opinion of Jesus even though they did not personally commit themselves to Him (cf. 7:12, 31, 40-41). His enemies had to be careful lest a riot would result. So for a time, no one touched Him. Twice later the Jews were again divided over Jesus (9:16; 10:19-21).


John 7:12
And there was much complaining among the people concerning Him. Some said, "He is good"; others said, "No, on the contrary, He deceives the people."

John 7:31
And many of the people believed in Him, and said, "When the Christ comes, will He do more signs than these which this Man has done?"

John 7:40-41
Therefore many from the crowd, when they heard this saying, said, "Truly this is the Prophet." [41] Others said, "This is the Christ." But some said, "Will the Christ come out of Galilee?

John 9:16
Therefore some of the Pharisees said, "This Man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath." Others said, "How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?" And there was a division among them.

John 10:19-21
Therefore there was a division again among the Jews because of these sayings. [20] And many of them said, "He has a demon and is mad. Why do you listen to Him?" [21] Others said, "These are not the words of one who has a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?"



Willmington's Bible Handbook:
John 7:37-39 Watered by the Spirit. On the last day of the Festival of Shelters, Jesus invited the people to accept him for salvation and for filling with the “living water” of the Holy Spirit. The “Scripture” Jesus referred to may have been Psalm 78:15-16, which would have been appropriate for the Festival of Shelters, since it recalled the wilderness wanderings.



Chal's comment:
When I said to Chal that it seemed so unbelievable to me, how many signs and miracles Jesus did and still they didn't believe He was the Messiah, Chal referred me to these verses:

Luke 16:19-31
[19] "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. [20] But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, [21] desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. [22] So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. [23] And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [24] Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' [25] But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. [26] And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.' [27] Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, [28] for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' [29] Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' [30] And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
[31] But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

[Momof5]

Wow! Toymom and Mieke (and Chal!), that was wonderful. I have no comments to add - it has been thoroughly covered. I love this study :hug:

[Debra R]

Wow! Toymom and Mieke (and Chal!), that was wonderful. I have no comments to add - it has been thoroughly covered. I love this study :hug:

WOW! I second that! :hug: :hug: :hug:

It is going to take me awhile to read and absorb and think on all this. :)

Wonderful!

Thank you so much!! :hug:

[Momof5]

I'm going to post the last verses for this chapter.....

NKJV John 7

44) Now some of them wanted to take Him but no one laid hands on Him.

45) Then the officers came to the chief priests and Pharisees, who said to them, "Why have you not brought Him?"

46) The officers answered, "No man ever spoke like this Man!"

47) Then the Pharisees answered them, "Are you also deceived?

48) Have any of the rulers or the Pharisees believed in Him?

49) But this crowd that does not know the law is accursed."

50) Nicodemus (he who came to Jesus by night, being one of them) said to them,

51) Does our law judge a man before it hears him and knows what he is doing?"

52) They answered and said to him, "Are you also from Galilee? Search and look, for no prophet has arisen out of Galilee."

I really believe that God did not allow anyone to seize Him at that time because it was not in God's time. I will be back to post more later......

[Debra R]

:) I really liked this.....



Miepie
John 7:39
But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

JFB Commentary:
39. this spake he of the Spirit—who, by His direct personal agency, opens up this spring of living waters in the human spirit (John 3:6), and by His indwelling in the renewed soul ensures their unfailing flow.

they that believe, &c.—As the Holy Ghost is, in the redemption of man, entirely at the service of Christ, as His Agent, so it is only in believing connection with Christ that any one "receives" the Spirit.


for the Holy Ghost was not yet given—Beyond all doubt the word "given," or some similar word, is the right supplement. In John 16:7 the Holy Ghost is represented not only as the gift of Christ, but a gift the communication of which was dependent upon His own departure to the Father. Now as Christ was not yet gone, so the Holy Ghost was not yet given.


Jesus not yet glorified—The word "glorified" is here used advisedly, to teach the reader not only that the departure of Christ to the Father was indispensable to the giving of the Spirit,

but that this illustrious Gift, direct from the hands of the ascended Saviour, was God's intimation to the world that He whom it had cast out, crucified, and slain, was "His Elect, in whom His soul delighted,"

and that it was through the smiting of that Rock that the waters of the Spirit—for which the Church was waiting, and with pomp at the feast of tabernacles proclaiming its expectation—had gushed forth upon a thirsty world.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:39. John explained that the "living water" (v. 38) was the coming gift of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit within a believer satisfies his need of God, and provides him with regeneration, guidance, and empowerment.



In the earliest Greek manuscripts, the words, Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, are simply, "for there was not yet Spirit."

This cannot be taken in an absolute sense since the Spirit had actively worked among people in the Old Testament era. Jesus referred to the special baptizing, sealing, and indwelling work of the Spirit in the Church Age, which would start on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:5, 8).

Jesus said He would "send the Spirit" to His followers (John 15:26; 16:7). "The Spirit had not [yet] been given" to indwell believers permanently (cf. Ps. 51:11). That happened after Jesus was glorified, that is after His death, resurrection, and Ascension. "Glorified," "glory," and "glorify" are used frequently in John’s Gospel.



That was great! I read that over a couple of times. :)


I have always loved these verses...


Matthew 4:13-16
And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is by the sea, in the regions of Zebulun and Naphtali, [14] that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying:

[15] "The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali,
By the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan,
Galilee of the Gentiles:

[16] The people who sat in darkness have seen a great light,

And upon those who sat in the region and shadow of death
Light has dawned."



I am so thankful that we have been drawn out of the shadow of death, out of darkness, into Christ's marvelous light. :)

[miepie]

Sorry it took so long to post this...... all that running to the hospital makes me so tired..... :hug:

John 7:45
Then the officers came to the chief priests and Pharisees, who said to them, "Why have you not brought Him?"

JFB Commentary:
45. Then came the officers—"sent to take him" (John 7:32).
Why . . . not brought him?—already thirsting for their Victim, and thinking it an easy matter to seize and bring Him.

John 7:32
The Pharisees heard the crowd murmuring these things concerning Him, and the Pharisees and the chief priests sent officers to take Him.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:45-46. The temple guards, who were sent to arrest Jesus (v. 32) returned without Him. Responding to the question Why? the guards answered, No one ever spoke the way this Man does. Literally this is, “Never spoke thus a man,” which implies that the guards sensed that He was most unusual or perhaps more than a man. The Gospels often reveal Jesus as a most impressive Teacher and Speaker (e.g., Matt. 7:29; 22:46). Though Jesus was opposed, many of those who heard Him were moved by Him (cf. John 7:15; 12:19).

Matthew 7:29
for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

Matthew 22:46
And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore.

John 7:15
And the Jews marveled, saying, "How does this Man know letters, having never studied?"

John 12:19
The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, "You see that you are accomplishing nothing. Look, the world has gone after Him!"



John 7:46
The officers answered, "No man ever spoke like this Man!"

JFB Commentary:
46. Never man spake like this man—Noble testimony of unsophisticated men! Doubtless they were strangers to the profound intent of Christ's teaching, but there was that in it which by its mysterious grandeur and transparent purity and grace, held them spellbound. No doubt it was of God that they should so feel, that their arm might be paralyzed, as Christ's hour was not yet come; but even in human teaching there has sometimes been felt such a divine power, that men who came to kill them (for example, ROWLAND HISS) have confessed to all that they were unmanned.



John 7:47
Then the Pharisees answered them, "Are you also deceived?

JFB Commentary:
47. ye also deceived—In their own servants this seemed intolerable.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:47-48. The Pharisees’ question to the guards, Has any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed in Him? reveals their pride. They thought they were too educated (v. 15) to be taken in by a deceiver. Ironically a number of the rulers did believe (12:42; 19:38-39). The Pharisees were jealous of Jesus’ great popularity (“The whole world has gone after Him” [12:19]).

John 12:42
Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue;

John 19:38-39
After this, Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly, for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate gave him permission. So he came and took the body of Jesus. [39] And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds.

John 12:19
The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, "You see that you are accomplishing nothing. Look, the world has gone after Him!"



John 7:48
Have any of the rulers or the Pharisees believed in Him?

JFB Commentary:
48. any of the rulers or . . . Pharisees believed—"Many of them" did, including Nicodemus and Joseph, but not one of these had openly "confessed Him" (John 12:42), and this appeal must have stung such of them as heard it to the quick.

John 12:42
Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue;



John 7:49
But this crowd that does not know the law is accursed."

JFB Commentary:
49. But this people—literally, "multitude," meaning the ignorant rabble. (Pity these important distinctions, so marked in the original of this Gospel, should not be also in our version.)
knoweth not the law—that is, by school learning, which only subverted it by human traditions.
are cursed—a cursed set (a kind of swearing at them, out of mingled rage and scorn).

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:49. The Pharisees explained Jesus’ popularity among the populace by suggesting that the people were too ignorant to recognize Jesus as a deceiver. The crowd (this mob), according to the Pharisees, did not know the Law. They did not study it, so they could not obey it. And since they did not obey it, they were under God’s curse (Deut. 28:15). The irony of the situation was that the Pharisees, not the mob, were under God’s wrath because they rejected God’s revelation in Jesus (John 3:36).

Deut. 28:15
"But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."



John 7:50
Nicodemus (he who came to Jesus by night, being one of them) said to them,

JFB Commentary:
50-53. Nicodemus—reappearing to us after nearly three years' absence from the history, as a member of the council, probably then sitting.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:50-51. The Mosaic Law (Deut. 1:16-17) and Rabbinic law stipulated that a person accused of a crime should get a fair hearing. Nicodemus appeared as a fair-minded man who did not want the Sanhedrin to make a false or hasty judgment. He had personally spoken with Jesus and knew He was from God (John 3:1-3; cf. 12:42; 19:38-39).

Deut. 1:16-17
Then I commanded your judges at that time, saying, 'Hear the cases between your brethren, and judge righteously between a man and his brother or the stranger who is with him. [17] You shall not show partiality in judgment; you shall hear the small as well as the great; you shall not be afraid in any man's presence, for the judgment is God's. The case that is too hard for you, bring to me, and I will hear it.'

John 3:1-3
There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. [2] This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him." [3] Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

John 12:42
Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue;



John 7:51
"Does our law judge a man before it hears him and knows what he is doing?"

JFB Commentary:
51. Doth our law, &c.—a very proper, but all too tame rejoinder, and evidently more from pressure of conscience than any design to pronounce positively in the case. "The feebleness of his defense of Jesus has a strong contrast in the fierceness of the rejoinders of the Pharisees" [WEBSTER and WILKINSON].



John 7:52
They answered and said to him, "Are you also from Galilee? Search and look, for no prophet has arisen out of Galilee."

JFB Commentary:
52. thou of Galilee—in this taunt expressing their scorn of the party. Even a word of caution, or the gentlest proposal to inquire before condemning, was with them equivalent to an espousal of the hated One.
Search . . . out of Galilee . . . no prophet—Strange! For had not Jonah (of Gath-hepher) and even Elijah (of Thisbe) arisen out of Galilee? And there it may be more, of whom we have no record. But rage is blind, and deep prejudice distorts all facts. Yet it looks as if they were afraid of losing Nicodemus, when they take the trouble to reason the point at all. It was just because he had "searched," as they advised him, that he went the length even that he did.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
7:52. Even though Nicodemus was a respected teacher in the nation (3:10), he was insulted by the other members of the Sanhedrin. Their prejudice and hatred against Jesus were already strong enough to overthrow reason. The Sanhedrin accused Nicodemus of being as ignorant as the Galileans. A prophet does not come out of Galilee, they argued. So the messianic Prophet cannot be a Galilean (cf. 7:41).

John 3:10
Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?

John 7:41
Others said, "This is the Christ." But some said, "Will the Christ come out of Galilee?



John 7:53
And everyone went to his own house.

JFB Commentary:
53. every man went unto his own home—finding their plot could not at that time be carried into effect. Is your rage thus impotent, ye chief priests?

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
Note on 7:53-8:11
7:53-8:11. Almost all textual scholars agree that these verses were not part of the original manuscript of the Gospel of John. The NIV states in brackets that “The earliest and most reliable manuscripts do not have John 7:53-8:11.” The style and vocabulary of this passage differ from the rest of the Gospel, and the passage interrupts the sequence from 7:52-8:12. It is probably a part of true oral tradition which was added to later Greek manuscripts by copyists. For more discussion on the subject and an exposition of the passage, see the Appendix before the John Bibliography.



Willmington's Bible Handbook:
John 7:40-53 “Don’t tell us you’re his disciple!” The people were divided and confused in their opinions about Christ, yet there was still apparently enough support for him that no one dared arrest him. When the chief priests asked the soldiers they had sent (John 7:32) why they hadn’t arrested Jesus, they expressed admiration for him. The priests pointed out that only the ignorant masses—and none of the educated leaders—were following him (John 7:45-49). Nicodemus then spoke up for Jesus and was sharply rebuked by his fellow Pharisees (John 7:50-53).
On Nicodemus’s faith, John 7:46 shows that people were impressed by Jesus’ authoritative teaching as well as his miracles. John 7:52 shows the regional prejudice of Jews living in Judea (compare John 1:46).

John 7:32
The Pharisees heard the crowd murmuring these things concerning Him, and the Pharisees and the chief priests sent officers to take Him.

John 1:46
And Nathanael said to him, "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?" Philip said to him, "Come and see."

[Momof5]

I don't have anything to add. I think Mieke covered everything I had any comment on! Great posts, ladies :hug:

[Debra R]

I don't have anything to add. I think Mieke covered everything I had any comment on! Great posts, ladies :hug:

I can't find anything to add either :)

Mieke has everything covered :)

Hope you girls are doing good :hug:

Things have been hectic for me too. I have been feeling so worn out.

Do you girls want to wait awhile for chapter 8 or do you want me to start it?
Or Mieke could start it :)

Let me know what you girls think.

Love you, :hug: :hug:

[Momof5]

If we wait we might not continue! Go ahead and start, Debra, and then we will try to keep up with Mieke :lol: Seriously, I love this, even though I haven't been home much. Love you, my sisters :hug:

[miepie]

Well..... if you give me the ability to post new verses I might go too fast for you.....
Chal is moving my pc back to the livingroom today.... so I can do it without him hanging in my neck cause he wants to be online..... lol.... :D I have all the searchprograms on my pc, so I can do that offline and then I only have to post it online..... :idea:
God also led me to do a 40 daycourse of the Christian Network here in the Netherlands, and I just enrolled in one of Setting Captives Free. I think it's time to use all those hours on the bed for useful things...... although making a 3000 pieces puzzle of the Ark of Noah is very nice too.... I am always talking to God when I am doing it.... admiring all the lovely animals He created..... :pp

[Debra R]

If we wait we might not continue! Go ahead and start, Debra, and then we will try to keep up with Mieke :lol: Seriously, I love this, even though I haven't been home much. Love you, my sisters :hug:

You are right Brenda, that thought crossed my mind, that if we wait we might not continue. I have felt bad because I haven't been able to get into this study as much as I wanted to. I have thought a little more on verse 39 and there is a lot I would like to study on that verse about the Holy Spirit's work before Christ' ascension and after. Haven't had the time to get into that.

This study has been very helpful though. It helps at times to get my mind off the storms in our life and get our mind on God's word and hold onto it like an anchor.

Thank you my sisters and God bless you always. Love you, :hug: :hug:

[Debra R]

Well..... if you give me the ability to post new verses I might go too fast for you.....
Chal is moving my pc back to the livingroom today.... so I can do it without him hanging in my neck cause he wants to be online..... lol.... :D I have all the searchprograms on my pc, so I can do that offline and then I only have to post it online..... :idea:
God also led me to do a 40 daycourse of the Christian Network here in the Netherlands, and I just enrolled in one of Setting Captives Free. I think it's time to use all those hours on the bed for useful things...... although making a 3000 pieces puzzle of the Ark of Noah is very nice too.... I am always talking to God when I am doing it.... admiring all the lovely animals He created..... :pp

That course on Setting Captives Free sounds great :pp. You will have to tell us about it :). The puzzle sounds cool too.

We are so glad you are studying with us Mieke :hug:.

Okay, I am going to start the next chapter then I have to take off for work.

I am truly thankful for you my sisters. :hug: :hug: