John chapter 12

[Debra R]

We are continuing on with chapter 12. :)

For those who don't know we have been going through the book of John.
Feel free to join in at any time. I am posting a few verses and then we can talk about them.


I am going to start out with the New American Standard Bible this time. Momof5 usually uses the NKJ. If anyone wishes to post with other translations that is fine too. :) I like to read them all and compare.



(NASB) John 12:1) Jesus, therefore, six days before the Passover, came to Bethany where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead.

2) So they made Him a supper there, and Martha was serving; but Lazarus was one of those reclining at the table with Him.

3) Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

4) But Judas Iscariot, one of His disciples, who was intending to betray Him, said,

5) "Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people?"

6) Now he said this, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box, he used to pilfer what was put into it.

7) Therefore Jesus said, "Let her alone, so that she may keep it for the day of My burial.

8) "For you always have the poor with you, but you do not always have Me."

Blessings :hug:

[Momof5]

Good morning!:)

Momof5 usually uses the NKJ

I just bought a new parallel Bible so in addition to NKJ and the occasional Living Bible Paraphrase I like to use, I will use KJV, Amplified, NASB, and NIV as well - lots of word and thought comparison!

Now I am going to study a bit and gather my scattered thoughts so I can post on the first verses.

I hope many of you will join us!:hug: :hug:

[Momof5]

I am also going to post this passage from the Living Bible paraphrase:

John 12

1) Six days before the Passover ceremonies began, Jesus arrived in Bethany where Lazarus was-the man He had brought back to life.

2) A banquet was prepared in Jesus' honor. Martha served, and Lazarus sat at the table with him.

3) Then Mary took a jar of costly perfume made from essence of nard, and anointed Jesus' feet with it and wiped them with her hair. And the house was filled with fragrance.

4) But Judas Iscariot, one of His disciples-the one who would betray him-said

5) "That perfume was worth a fortune. It should have been sold and the money given to the poor."

6) Not that he cared for the poor, but he was in charge of the disciples' funds and often dipped into them for his own use.

7) Jesus replied, "Let her alone. She did it in preparation for my burial.

8) You can always help the poor, but I won't be with you very long.

I posted that for comparison.:)

(NASB) John 12:1) Jesus, therefore, six days before the Passover, came to Bethany where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead.

2) So they made Him a supper there, and Martha was serving; but Lazarus was one of those reclining at the table with Him.

Bethany was about two miles from Jerusalem. The supper was in Jesus' honor but it sounds like Lazarus was the guest of honor!

3) Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

NKJ Mark 14 - 3) And being in Bethany at the house of Simon the leper, as He sat at the table, a woman came having an alabaster flask of very costly oil of spikenard. Then she broke the flask and poured it on His head. 4) But there were some who were indignant amoung themselves, and said, "Why was this fragrant oil wasted? 5) For it might have been sold for more than three hundred denarii and given to the poor." And they criticized her sharply. 6) But Jesus said, "Let her alone. Why do you trouble her? She has done a good work for Me. 7) For you have the poor with you always, and whenever you wish you may do them good; but Me you do not have always. 8) She has done what she could. She has come beforehand to anoint My body for burial.

Mary anointed Jesus head and feet. The annotation in my study Bible states that the custom of the time was to anoint the heads of guests and that anointing Jesus' head was an act of honor but anointing His feet was an act of devotion!

4) But Judas Iscariot, one of His disciples, who was intending to betray Him, said,

5) "Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people?"

6) Now he said this, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box, he used to pilfer what was put into it.

7) Therefore Jesus said, "Let her alone, so that she may keep it for the day of My burial.

Mary was preparing Jesus' body for the burial that would occur within the week

8) "For you always have the poor with you, but you do not always have Me."

NKJ Deuteronomy 15:11 - For the poor will never cease from the land........

Jesus told them there would always be the poor and to do good for them, but He was not always going to be with them. Mary seemed to understand that He would die.

Oops, this is kind of long...hope it makes sense.:hug: :hug:

[Debra R]

:) Good morning! :hug:


Good morning!:)



I just bought a new parallel Bible so in addition to NKJ and the occasional Living Bible Paraphrase I like to use, I will use KJV, Amplified, NASB, and NIV as well - lots of word and thought comparison!

Now I am going to study a bit and gather my scattered thoughts so I can post on the first verses.

I hope many of you will join us!:hug: :hug:

:pp Thats great!! :hug:

I love the Amplified bible too!
Those are the main ones I read, the NASB, the NKJ, and Amplified. Sometimes I read the KJ :D. I have a small collection of bibles, seven different translations I think, I would like to someday have all the translations.

There are lots of word and thought comparison. Sometimes you can grasp more or see things in a different light when you compare the versions. :)

[miepie]

John 12:1
Then, six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus was who had been dead, whom He had raised from the dead.

JFB Commentary:
John 12:1-11. THE ANOINTING AT BETHANY. (See on Matthew 26:6-13).

1-8. six days before the passover—that is, on the sixth day before it; probably after sunset on Friday evening, or the commencement of the Jewish sabbath preceding the passover.

Matthew 26:6-13
And when Jesus was in Bethany at the house of Simon the leper, [7] a woman came to Him having an alabaster flask of very costly fragrant oil, and she poured it on His head as He sat at the table. [8] But when His disciples saw it, they were indignant, saying, "Why this waste? [9] For this fragrant oil might have been sold for much and given to the poor." [10] But when Jesus was aware of it, He said to them, "Why do you trouble the woman? For she has done a good work for Me. [11] For you have the poor with you always, but Me you do not have always. [12] For in pouring this fragrant oil on My body, she did it for My burial. [13] Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to her."

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
G. The conclusion of Jesus’ public ministry (12:1-36)
1. THE ANOINTING (12:1-8)
John in chapter 12 concluded his record of Jesus’ public ministry with (a) the account of Mary’s anointing of Jesus (which set the stage for His coming sacrifice), (b) His Triumphal Entry, and (c) the prediction of His death.

12:1-2. The time schedule now was more definite and critical: It was six days before the Passover. Jesus went back from Ephraim (11:54) to Bethany, where Lazarus lived, and attended a dinner in His honor. Mark wrote that the place was Simon the Leper’s home (Mark 14:1-11). The dinner must have been a joyous occasion with Mary, Martha, and Lazarus there. The relationship of this family to Simon is not known, but it must have been close since Martha served.

John 11:54
Therefore Jesus no longer walked openly among the Jews, but went from there into the country near the wilderness, to a city called Ephraim, and there remained with His disciples.

Mark 14:1-11
After two days it was the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. And the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take Him by trickery and put Him to death. [2] But they said, "Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar of the people." [3] And being in Bethany at the house of Simon the leper, as He sat at the table, a woman came having an alabaster flask of very costly oil of spikenard. Then she broke the flask and poured it on His head. [4] But there were some who were indignant among themselves, and said, "Why was this fragrant oil wasted? [5] For it might have been sold for more than three hundred denarii and given to the poor." And they criticized her sharply. [6] But Jesus said, "Let her alone. Why do you trouble her? She has done a good work for Me. [7] For you have the poor with you always, and whenever you wish you may do them good; but Me you do not have always. [8] She has done what she could. She has come beforehand to anoint My body for burial. [9] Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to her." [10] Then Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve, went to the chief priests to betray Him to them. [11] And when they heard it, they were glad, and promised to give him money. So he sought how he might conveniently betray Him.



John 12:2
There they made Him a supper; and Martha served, but Lazarus was one of those who sat at the table with Him.

JFB Commentary:
2. Martha served—This, with what is afterwards said of Mary's way of honoring her Lord, is so true to the character in which those two women appear in Luke 10:38-42, as to constitute one of the strongest and most delightful confirmations of the truth of both narratives. (See also on John 11:20).
Lazarus . . . sat at the table—"Between the raised Lazarus and the healed leper (Simon, Mark 14:3), the Lord probably sits as between two trophies of His glory" [STIER].

b]Luke 10:38-42[/b]
Now it happened as they went that He entered a certain village; and a certain woman named Martha welcomed Him into her house. [39] And she had a sister called Mary, who also sat at Jesus' feet and heard His word. [40] But Martha was distracted with much serving, and she approached Him and said, "Lord, do You not care that my sister has left me to serve alone? Therefore tell her to help me." [41] And Jesus answered and said to her, "Martha, Martha, you are worried and troubled about many things. [42] But one thing is needed, and Mary has chosen that good part, which will not be taken away from her."

John 11:20
Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met Him, but Mary was sitting in the house.

Mark 14:3
And being in Bethany at the house of Simon the leper, as He sat at the table, a woman came having an alabaster flask of very costly oil of spikenard. Then she broke the flask and poured it on His head.



John 12:3
Then Mary took a pound of very costly oil of spikenard, anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped His feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the oil.

JFB Commentary:
3. spikenard—or pure nard, a celebrated aromatic (Song 1:12).
anointed the feet of Jesus—and "poured it on His head" (Matthew 26:7; Mark 14:3). The only use of this was to refresh and exhilarate—a grateful compliment in the East, amidst the closeness of a heated atmosphere, with many guests at a feast. Such was the form in which Mary's love to Christ, at so much cost to herself, poured itself out.

Song 1:12
The Shulamite
While the king is at his table,
My spikenard sends forth its fragrance.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:3. The pure nard was a fragrant oil prepared from the roots and stems of an aromatic herb from northern India. It was an expensive perfume, imported in sealed alabaster boxes or flasks which were opened only on special occasions. Mary’s lavish gift (a pint) expressed her love and thanks to Jesus for Himself and for His restoring Lazarus to life. The house was filled with the fragrance. This is one of John’s many side comments which indicate that he was an eyewitness of much of Jesus’ ministry.



John 12:4
Then one of His disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, who would betray Him, said,

JFB Commentary:
4. Judas . . . who should betray him—For the reason why this is here mentioned, see on Mark 14:11.

Mark 14:11
And when they heard it, they were glad, and promised to give him money. So he sought how he might conveniently betray Him.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:4-5. Judas Iscariot objected to this lavish waste (in his viewpoint). His objection—that money from the sale of the perfume should have been given to the poor—was not honest (cf. v. 6). According to Mark (14:4-5) the other disciples picked up his criticism and rebuked her harshly. Evil quickly spreads, and even leaders can be carried along by Satan’s tools. The value of the perfume was a year’s wages (lit., “300 denarii”) perhaps a lifetime of savings.

Mark 14:4-5
But there were some who were indignant among themselves, and said, "Why was this fragrant oil wasted? [5] For it might have been sold for more than three hundred denarii and given to the poor." And they criticized her sharply.



John 12:5
"Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?"

JFB Commentary:
5. three hundred pence—between nine and ten pounds sterling.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
14:6-8. Jesus rebuked Mary’s critics and defended her action, calling it a beautiful thing (lit., “a good [kalon, ‘noble, beautiful, good’] work”). Unlike them, He saw it as an expression of love and devotion to Him in light of His approaching death as well as a messianic acclamation.?The contrast in verse 7 is not between Jesus and the poor but between the words always and not always. Opportunities to help the poor will always be present and the disciples should take advantage of them. But Jesus would not be in their midst much longer and opportunities to show Him love were diminishing rapidly. In a sense she had anointed His body beforehand in preparation for its burial.?



John 12:6
This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it.

JFB Commentary:
6. had the bag—the purse.
bare what was put therein—not, bare it off by theft, though that he did; but simply, had charge of its contents, was treasurer to Jesus and the Twelve. How worthy of notice is this arrangement, by which an avaricious and dishonest person was not only taken into the number of the Twelve, but entrusted with the custody of their little property! The purposes which this served are obvious enough; but it is further noticeable, that the remotest hint was never given to the eleven of His true character, nor did the disciples most favored with the intimacy of Jesus ever suspect him, till a few minutes before he voluntarily separated himself from their company—for ever!



John 12:7
But Jesus said, "Let her alone; she has kept this for the day of My burial.

JFB Commentary:
7. said Jesus, Let her alone, against the day of my burying hath she done this—not that she thought of His burial, much less reserved any of her nard to anoint her dead Lord. But as the time was so near at hand when that office would have to be performed, and she was not to have that privilege even alter the spices were brought for the purpose (Mark 16:1), He lovingly regards it as done now.

Mark 16:1
Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.



John 12:8
For the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always."

JFB Commentary:
8. the poor always . . . with you—referring to Deut. 15:11.
but me . . . not always—a gentle hint of His approaching departure. He adds (Mark 14:8), "She hath done what she could," a noble testimony, embodying a principle of immense importance. "Verily, I say unto you, Wheresoever this Gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her" (Matthew 26:13; Mark 14:9). "In the act of love done to Him she had erected to herself an eternal monument, as lasting as the Gospel, the eternal word of God. From generation to generation this remarkable prophecy of the Lord has been fulfilled; and even we, in explaining this saying of the Redeemer, of necessity contribute to its accomplishment" [OLSHAUSEN]. "Who but Himself had the power to ensure to any work of man, even if resounding in his own time through the whole earth, an imperishable remembrance in the stream of history? Behold once more here, the majesty of His royal judicial supremacy in the government of the world, in this, Verily I say unto you" [STIER]. Beautiful are the lessons here: (1) Love to Christ transfigures the humblest services. All, indeed, who have themselves a heart value its least outgoings beyond the most costly mechanical performances; but how does it endear the Saviour to us to find Him endorsing the principle as His own standard in judging of character and deeds!
What though in poor and humble guise
Thou here didst sojourn, cottage-born,
Yet from Thy glory in the skies
Our earthly gold Thou didst not scorn.
For Love delights to bring her best,
And where Love is, that offering evermore is blest.
Love on the Saviour's dying head
Her spikenard drops unblam'd may pour,
May mount His cross, and wrap Him dead
In spices from the golden shore.
—KEBLE.
(2) Works of utility should never be set in opposition to the promptings of self-sacrificing love, and the sincerity of those who do so is to be suspected. Under the mask of concern for the poor at home, how many excuse themselves from all care of the perishing heathen abroad. (3) Amidst conflicting duties, that which our "hand (presently) findeth to do" is to be preferred, and even a less duty only to be done now to a greater that can be done at any time. (4) "If there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not" (2 Cor. 8:12). —"She hath done what she could" (Mark 14:8). (5) As Jesus beheld in spirit the universal diffusion of His Gospel, while His lowest depth of humiliation was only approaching, so He regards the facts of His earthly history as constituting the substance of this Gospel, and the relation of them as just the "preaching of this Gospel." Not that preachers are to confine themselves to a bare narration of these facts, but that they are to make their whole preaching turn upon them as its grand center, and derive from them its proper vitality; all that goes before this in the Bible being but the preparation for them, and all that follows but the sequel.

Deut. 15:11
For the poor will never cease from the land; therefore I command you, saying, 'You shall open your hand wide to your brother, to your poor and your needy, in your land.'

Mark 14:8
She has done what she could. She has come beforehand to anoint My body for burial.

Matthew 26:13
Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to her."

Mark 14:9
Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to her."

2 Cor. 8:12
For if there is first a willing mind, it is accepted according to what one has, and not according to what he does not have.

[Momof5]

I am going to post the next few verses...

NKJ John 12

9) Now a great many of the Jews knew that He was there; and they came, not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might also see Lazarus, whom He had raised from the dead.

10) But the chief priests plotted to put Lazarus to death also,

11) because on account of him many of the Jews went away and believed in Jesus.

[Momof5]

10) But the chief priests plotted to put Lazarus to death also,

I read that most of the chief priests were Sadducees (did not believe in resurrection), so I can see that they would want Lazarus dead since he was proof that Jesus could raise the dead!

[Hude]

I read from the King James Version. It is God who gives the increase ( understanding ) of His words and He teached everyone the same way, so the type of Bible being read from is of no importance. The thing to keep in mind, is at all times, we must show love, for God is love. God is also a spirit, so we must worship Him in spirit and in truth. You have the carnal mind, which is looking at something naturally, then you have the spiritual way, which is the increase. When you read the scriptures, have ye not read where the trees clap their hands? Consider this for a moment. I pray that God open your understanding. When looking at commentaries, they are written by men, not God, so it is best to stick with the scriptures so that when we speak to the people, they hear God's words and not our own. Take care and God bless.

[Momof5]

I read from the King James Version. It is God who gives the increase ( understanding ) of His words and He teached everyone the same way, so the type of Bible being read from is of no importance. The thing to keep in mind, is at all times, we must show love, for God is love. God is also a spirit, so we must worship Him in spirit and in truth. You have the carnal mind, which is looking at something naturally, then you have the spiritual way, which is the increase. When you read the scriptures, have ye not read where the trees clap their hands? Consider this for a moment. I pray that God open your understanding. When looking at commentaries, they are written by men, not God, so it is best to stick with the scriptures so that when we speak to the people, they hear God's words and not our own. Take care and God bless.

Welcome to the board, Hude.:hug: I think I know what you are trying to say, but I am not sure....would you please clarify?

[Debra R]

I read from the King James Version. It is God who gives the increase ( understanding ) of His words and He teached everyone the same way, so the type of Bible being read from is of no importance. The thing to keep in mind, is at all times, we must show love, for God is love. God is also a spirit, so we must worship Him in spirit and in truth. You have the carnal mind, which is looking at something naturally, then you have the spiritual way, which is the increase. When you read the scriptures, have ye not read where the trees clap their hands? Consider this for a moment. I pray that God open your understanding. When looking at commentaries, they are written by men, not God, so it is best to stick with the scriptures so that when we speak to the people, they hear God's words and not our own. Take care and God bless.

Hi Hude! Welcome to the bible forums.

Of course it is God who gives the (increase) understanding of His word. He does that through the Holy Spirit who enlightens our hearts and minds to His truth. The natural (carnal man) can not understand the things of God, they are spirtually discerned.


have ye not read where the trees clapped their hands?


:) Are you speaking of this scripture?

Isaiah 55:12 " For you shall go out with joy,
And be led out with peace;
The mountains and the hills
Shall break forth into singing before you,
And all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.

Thank you for your prayers for us.
God bless you. :hug:

[Debra R]

Thank you Brenda and Mieke, my beloved sisters! :kiss: :hug:

:) A few more verses....

(NKJ) John 12:12) The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13) took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and cried out:
" Hosanna!
‘ Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’
The King of Israel!"

14) Then Jesus, when He had found a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written:

15) " Fear not, daughter of Zion;
Behold, your King is coming,
Sitting on a donkey’s colt."

The other day I was thinking about Jesus always walking wherever He went. I think this is the only time I remember scripture speaking of Him not walking, except when He was on the boat. I was talking to a friend about it and she said she thought Jesus walked so He could interact with the people more. To be right there in the midst of them.

Blessings. :hug:

[Debra R]

Good morning my sisters! :hug:

I looked up some cross references to these verses this morning. :)


(NKJ) John 12:12) The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13) took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and cried out:
" Hosanna!
‘ Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’
The King of Israel!"

14) Then Jesus, when He had found a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written:

15) " Fear not, daughter of Zion;
Behold, your King is coming,
Sitting on a donkey’s colt."


Psalm 118:26) Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD!
We have blessed you from the house of the LORD.

Matthew 21:4) All this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying:

5) " Tell the daughter of Zion,
‘ Behold, your King is coming to you,
Lowly, and sitting on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey."


Zechariah 9:9) " Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey.


John 1:49) Nathanael answered and said to Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!"

Isaiah 62:11) Indeed the LORD has proclaimed
To the end of the world:
" Say to the daughter of Zion,
‘ Surely your salvation is coming;
Behold, His reward is with Him,
And His work before Him.’"

Isaiah 40:10) Behold, the Lord GOD shall come with a strong hand,
And His arm shall rule for Him;
Behold, His reward is with Him,
And His work before Him.


Revelation 22:12) "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.

Have a blessed day! :hug:

[miepie]

John 12:9-11
Now a great many of the Jews knew that He was there; and they came, not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might also see Lazarus, whom He had raised from the dead. [10] But the chief priests plotted to put Lazarus to death also, [11] because on account of him many of the Jews went away and believed in Jesus.

JFB Commentary:
9-11. Crowds of the Jerusalem Jews hastened to Bethany, not so much to see Jesus, whom they knew to be there, as to see dead Lazarus alive; and this, issuing in their accession to Christ, led to a plot against the life of Lazarus also, as the only means of arresting the triumphs of Jesus (see John 12:19) —to such a pitch had these chief priests come of diabolical determination to shut out the light from themselves, and quench it from the earth!

John 12:19
The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, "You see that you are accomplishing nothing. Look, the world has gone after Him!"

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:9-11. Jesus was such a controversial Person that it was impossible for Him to be near Jerusalem and remain unnoticed. From all over the country, people came to the Passover feast. Many sought out Jesus (cf. 11:56) and also Lazarus. Because Lazarus had been restored, many Jews believed in Jesus. So the chief priests planned to kill two men—Jesus and Lazarus!

John 11:56
Then they sought Jesus, and spoke among themselves as they stood in the temple, "What do you think--that He will not come to the feast?"

[miepie]

John 12:12-13
The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, [13] took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and cried out:

"Hosanna!
'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!'
The King of Israel!"

JFB Commentary:
12. On the next day—the Lord's day, or Sunday (see on John 12:1); the tenth day of the Jewish month Nisan, on which the paschal lamb was set apart to be "kept up until the fourteenth day of the same month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel were to kill it in the evening" (Exodus 12:3, 6). Even so, from the day of this solemn entry into Jerusalem, "Christ our Passover" was virtually set apart to be "sacrificed for us" (1 Cor. 5:7).

John 12:1
Then, six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus was who had been dead, whom He had raised from the dead.

Exodus 12:3
Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth day of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household.

Exodus 12:6
Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.

1 Cor. 5:7
Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:12-13. A wild enthusiasm over Jesus broke out. Thousands of Galilean pilgrims had come to the Passover, and they had seen many of His mighty works. Previously He had rejected the role of a political Messiah (6:15) but, they thought, perhaps now was the right moment. Jerusalem was the city of the great King and He was coming to it. Waving their palm branches, symbols of victory, the people were shouting Hosanna! “Hosanna” in Hebrew means “Please save” or “Save now” (cf. Ps. 118:25). It came to be a shout of praise. Quoting Psalm 118:26, they ascribed messianic titles to Him: He who comes (lit., “the Coming One”; cf. John 11:27) and the King of Israel.

John 6:15
Therefore when Jesus perceived that they were about to come and take Him by force to make Him king, He departed again to the mountain by Himself alone.

Psalm 118:25
Save now, I pray, O Lord;
O Lord, I pray, send now prosperity.

Psalm 118:26
Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!
We have blessed you from the house of the Lord.

John 11:27
She said to Him, "Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world."



John 12:14-15
Then Jesus, when He had found a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written:

[15] "Fear not, daughter of Zion;
Behold, your King is coming,
Sitting on a donkey's colt."

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:14-15. Jesus’ riding into the city on a young donkey was a sign of peace (cf. comments on Matt. 21:2, which speaks of Jesus riding on a donkey and a colt). He did not ride a war horse or carry a sword or wear a crown. Nor did He ride in a wheeled vehicle, as did many kings. His manner of entry fulfilled Zechariah’s prophecy which contrasted Jesus’ coming (Zech. 9:9) with the coming of Alexander the Great (Zech. 9:1-8). Daughter of Zion is a poetic way of referring to the people of Jerusalem, the city built on Mount Zion. Here, in quoting Zechariah 9:9, John called Jesus Israel’s King.

Matthew 21:2
saying to them, "Go into the village opposite you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied, and a colt with her. Loose them and bring them to Me.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
21:1-5. Jesus and the disciples were approaching Jerusalem from the east as they came up the road from Jericho. When they reached the town of Bethphage on the eastern slopes of the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent two disciples ahead to find a donkey and its colt. Though all four Gospel accounts include the Triumphal Entry, only Matthew mentioned a donkey along with the colt. A simple explanation of what some call a contradiction is that when Jesus rode the colt, the mother donkey naturally went along. Perhaps He rode each animal part of the distance (v. 7).
Jesus told the disciples to bring the animals to Him. If anyone questioned their actions, they were to say the Lord needed them. As Messiah He had the right to request whatever He needed. Matthew mentioned (vv. 4-5) that this act fulfilled a prophecy, namely, Zechariah 9:9 (cf. Isa. 62:11), which spoke to the nation of the coming of her King in a gentle manner riding on a colt, the foal (lit., son) of a donkey. This was not the normal manner in which kings arrived, for they usually came as conquerors riding on horses. A colt was a symbol of peace.

Zech. 9:9
"Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey.

Zech. 9:1
The burden of the word of the Lord
Against the land of Hadrach,
And Damascus its resting place
(For the eyes of men
And all the tribes of Israel
Are on the Lord);

[Momof5]

Good afternoon, my sisters!:hug: I am going to post the next few verses...

NKJ John 12

16) His disciples did not understand these things at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written about Him and that they had done these things to Him.

Only afterwards, did the disciples realize that Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled in Jesus.

17) Therefore the people, who were with Him when He called Lazarus out of his tomb and raised him from the dead, bore witness.

18) For this reason the people also met Him, because they heard that He had done this sign.

The people who witnessed Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead continued to spread the news about what Jesus did and new crowds of people were following Him.

19) The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, "You see that you are accomplishing nothing. Look, the world has gone after Him!"

Verse 19 in the NIV reads "So the Pharisees said one to another, 'See, this is getting us nowhere. Look how the whole world has gone after him.'"

[Debra R]

Thank you my sisters. :hug:

A few more verses this morning.......

(Amplified Bible) John 12:20) Now among those who went up to worship at the Feast were some Greeks.

21) These came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, and they made this request, Sir, we desire to see Jesus.

22) Philip came and told Andrew; then Andrew and Philip together [went] and told Jesus.

23) And Jesus answered them, The time has come for the Son of Man to be glorified and exalted.

24) I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, Unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains [just one grain; it never becomes more but lives] by itself alone. But if it dies, it produces many others and yields a rich harvest.

25) Anyone who loves his life loses it, but anyone who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal. [Whoever has no love for, no concern for, no regard for his life here on earth, but despises it, preserves his life forever and ever.]

26) If anyone serves Me, he must continue to follow Me [to cleave steadfastly to Me, conform wholly to My example in living and, if need be, in dying] and wherever I am, there will My servant be also. If anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him.

Have a very blessed day.
Love you. :kiss: :hug:

[Debra R]

(NKJ) John 12:24) Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.


I was thinking on this verse (24) and looked up some commentaries on it. I found this interesting from John Lightfoot.

John Lightfoot Commentary on the Gospels

John 12:24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

[Except a corn of wheat.] How doth this answer of our Saviour's agree with the matter propounded? Thus: "Is it so indeed? do the Gentiles desire to see me? The time draws on wherein I must be glorified in the conversion of the Gentiles; but as a corn of wheat doth not bring forth fruit, except it be first thrown into the ground and there die; but if it die it will bring forth much fruit; so I must die first and be thrown into the earth: and then a mighty harvest of the Gentile world will grow up, and be the product of that death of mine."


Isaiah 26:19) "Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise": so our translation, with which also the French agrees, They shall rise with my body. But it is properly, They shall arise my body: so the Interlineary version. "The Gentiles being dead in their sins shall, with my dead body, when it rises again, rise again also from their death: nay, they shall rise again my body, that is, as part of myself, and my body mystical."

He referred to Isaiah 26:19, I hadn't seen that in reference to verse 24 before. When I looked up that verse it led me to these verses......

Isaiah 25:8) He will swallow up death forever,
And the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces;
The rebuke of His people
He will take away from all the earth;
For the LORD has spoken.

Revelation 7:17) for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."

Hosea 13:14)
I will ransom them from the power of the grave;
I will redeem them from death.
O Death, I will be your plagues!
O Grave, I will be your destruction!
Pity is hidden from My eyes."

1 Corinthians 15:55)

" O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?"

I always find it amazing and awesome how the old and new testament come together, intertwine, correlate to each other. It never ceases to amaze me.

Blessings :hug:

[Debra R]

I had a very interesting discussion with Nathaniel the other day. He amazes me with his questions sometimes, and sometimes I have a hard time figuring out how to explain things to him. He reminded me about his great grandmother dying and wanted to know why she couldn't come back to life.

We had recently talked about when Jesus brought Lazarus back to life. He wanted to know why Jesus couldn't bring her back to life now so she could be with us. I didn't find it easy to explain to him why she couldn't come back now.

Then he told me he didn't want to die. So then I told him again of our hope of heaven and was talking of the new heaven and earth and he wants to know if there will be a new St.Louis, he said he likes St. Louis and wants to stay here.

We get into some interesting discussions sometimes. He amazes me with all his questions and him being only 5 years old. I think I need prayer on how to explain things to him, (sigh). And it makes me sad that he should even have to think about death as young as he is.

[Momof5]

Deb, his questions and thoughts about death probably have nothing to do with him having a disease. He is at the age that he is hearing these words and trying to get an understanding of what it's all about. I think we all need prayer when explaining to our children and grandchildren about life and death and in teaching the Bible!:hug: :hug:

[Momof5]

Debra: I always find it amazing and awesome how the old and new testament come together, intertwine, correlate to each other. It never ceases to amaze me.

Scripture confirms Scripture!

[Debra R]

Deb, his questions and thoughts about death probably have nothing to do with him having a disease. He is at the age that he is hearing these words and trying to get an understanding of what it's all about. I think we all need prayer when explaining to our children and grandchildren about life and death and in teaching the Bible!:hug: :hug:

Thank you Brenda :hug:

I think he does understand more than we realize about his disease.

The past few months he talks more and more of wanting to be well. When we go to the garden at the hospital, they have a little pond that they call the wishing well, he'll say he wants to make a wish and his wish is to be well. We took him a few weeks ago to the "build a bear" the cancer society had a special party planned for the kids. They all got to make their own stuffed animal. They gave them a little stuffed heart to put inside the bear and were told to make a wish first and he says he wished to feel better. It is so heartbreaking to see him feel bad and want to feel better and there is nothing you can do.

He went to church with us again Sunday, (I still can't understand why my daughter and her husband have no desire to go.). I usually stay with him in his class but I asked him this time could I go upstairs and would he be alright by himself and he said yes. After church I asked him what they did. He folded his hands together and said they prayed for him to be well. And with his hands still folded he says he prayed to be well too. I told him that was wonderful.

I know our Lord has heard that precious chid's prayer.

[Debra R]

John 12:26) If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor.


What a wonderful promise we have from our Lord, wherever He is, there we will be also.



John 14:3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

John 17:24) "Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

2 Corinthians 5:8) We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

Philippians 1:23) For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better.

1 Thessalonians 4:17) Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

Blessings. :hug:

[miepie]

I'll try to post the commentaries tomorrow.... today is not a good day for me.... fever and shaking.....

You have a very special grandson Debra..... we can learn a lot from him.... :hug:

[miepie]

John 12:16
His disciples did not understand these things at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written about Him and that they had done these things to Him.

JFB Commentary:
16. when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, &c.—The Spirit, descending on them from the glorified Saviour at Pentecost, opened their eyes suddenly to the true sense of the Old Testament, brought vividly to their recollection this and other Messianic predictions, and to their unspeakable astonishment showed them that they, and all the actors in these scenes, had been unconsciously fulfilling those predictions.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:16. The disciples, though close to Jesus and participants in these events, did not understand them. They lacked the perspective of the Cross and the Resurrection (when He was glorified). They were unaware that Zechariah’s prophecy had been written about Him. Their faith was weak and they needed the ministry of the Holy Spirit (16:12-14)

John 16:12-14
I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. [13] However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. [14] He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.



John 12:17-18
Therefore the people, who were with Him when He called Lazarus out of his tomb and raised him from the dead, bore witness. [18] For this reason the people also met Him, because they heard that He had done this sign.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:17-18. The size of the crowd kept increasing. The news of the great miraculous sign—Lazarus raised from the dead—spread through the city, and other groups surged out to meet Him. It was a day of great popular acclaim, but sadly the people had little spiritual perception.



John 12:19
The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, "You see that you are accomplishing nothing. Look, the world has gone after Him!"

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:19. The mass reception of Jesus made the plans of the Pharisees impossible. They “were looking for some sly way to arrest Jesus and kill Him. ‘But not during the Feast,’ they said, ‘or the people may riot’” (Mark 14:1-2). Pessimistically they acknowledged, The whole world has gone after Him. Irony is again evident, for most of those people did not really believe in Jesus.

Mark 14:1-2
After two days it was the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. And the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take Him by trickery and put Him to death. [2] But they said, "Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar of the people."

[miepie]

John 12:20
Now there were certain Greeks among those who came up to worship at the feast.

JFB Commentary:
20-22. Greeks—Not Grecian Jews, but Greek proselytes to the Jewish faith, who were wont to attend the annual festivals, particularly this primary one, the Passover.
The same came therefore to Philip . . . of Bethsaida—possibly as being from the same quarter.
saying, Sir, we would see Jesus—certainly in a far better sense than Zaccheus (Luke 19:3). Perhaps He was then in that part of the temple court to which Gentile proselytes had no access. "These men from the west represent, at the end of Christ's life, what the wise men from the east represented at its beginning; but those come to the cross of the King, even as these to His manger"

Luke 19:3
And he sought to see who Jesus was, but could not because of the crowd, for he was of short stature.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:20. The mention of Greeks is significant. They were the wanderers of the ancient world and the seekers of truth. These Greeks were probably God-fearers who attended Jewish synagogues and feasts. Their coming was symbolic of the coming of Gentiles to worship God through Christ (cf. 10:16).



John 12:21
Then they came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida of Galilee, and asked him, saying, "Sir, we wish to see Jesus."

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:21-22. Why did the Greeks approach Philip about seeing Jesus? Perhaps because Philip had a Greek name. Or he may have had some contact with Greeks from the Decapolis area. Philip went to Andrew, and Andrew and Philip told Jesus. Since crowds of people probably wanted to speak with Jesus, the disciples may have tried to do some screening (cf. Luke 18:15-16).



John 12:22
Philip came and told Andrew, and in turn Andrew and Philip told Jesus.

JFB Commentary:
22. Philip . . . telleth Andrew—As follow townsmen of Bethsaida (John 1:44), these two seem to have drawn to each other.
Andrew and Philip tell Jesus—The minuteness of these details, while they add to the graphic force of the narrative, serves to prepare us for something important to come out of this introduction.

John 1:44
Now Philip was from Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.



John 12:23
But Jesus answered them, saying, "The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified.

JFB Commentary:
23-26. Jesus answered them, The hour is come that the Son of man should be glorified—that is, They would see Jesus, would they? Yet a little moment, and they shall see Him so as now they dream not of. The middle wall of partition that keeps them out from the commonwealth of Israel is on the eve of breaking down, "and I, if I be lifted up from the earth, shall draw all men unto Me"; I see them "flying as a cloud, and as doves to their cotes"—a glorious event that will be for the Son of man, by which this is to be brought about. It is His death He thus sublimely and delicately alluded to. Lost in the scenes of triumph which this desire of the Greeks to see Him called up before His view, He gives no direct answer to their petition for an interview, but sees the cross which was to bring them gilded with glory.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:23-24. Jesus had been moving toward His decisive hour (cf. 2:4; 4:21, 23; 7:6, 8, 30; 8:20). The coming of the Greeks confirmed that the hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified (cf. 12:23; 13:1; 17:1). For most people death is their humiliation. But for Jesus death was His means of entry into glory. His willingness to die for others’ sins in obedience to the Father (Isa. 53:10, 12) brought Him renown (glory; cf. John 12:16; 17:1, 5). I tell you the truth introduces a solemn affirmation. The analogy of a kernel of wheat “dying” in the ground and producing many seeds teaches that death is necessary for a harvest.

John 2:4
Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come."

John 4:21
Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.

John 4:23
But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.

John 7:6
Then Jesus said to them, "My time has not yet come, but your time is always ready.

John 7:8
You go up to this feast. I am not yet going up to this feast, for My time has not yet fully come."

John 7:30
Therefore they sought to take Him; but no one laid a hand on Him, because His hour had not yet come.

John 8:20
These words Jesus spoke in the treasury, as He taught in the temple; and no one laid hands on Him, for His hour had not yet come.

John 13:1
Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His hour had come that He should depart from this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end.

John 17:1
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.

John 12:16
His disciples did not understand these things at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written about Him and that they had done these things to Him.

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.



John 12:24
Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.

JFB Commentary:
24. Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone; but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit—The necessity of His death is here brightly expressed, and its proper operation and fruit—life springing forth out of death—imaged forth by a beautiful and deeply significant law of the vegetable kingdom. For a double reason, no doubt, this was uttered—to explain what he had said of His death, as the hour of His own glorification, and to sustain His own Spirit under the agitation which was mysteriously coming over it in the view of that death.



John 12:25
He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:25-26. The wheat analogy (v. 24) illustrates a general paradoxical principle: death is the way to life. In Jesus’ case, His death led to glory and life not only for Himself but also for others.
In the case of a disciple of Jesus, the principle is similar. A disciple must hate his life in this world. To “hate his life” means to be so committed to Christ that he has no self-centeredness, no concern for himself. On the other hand the man who loves his life will lose it. Anything in life can become an idol including goals, interests, and loves (cf. Luke 12:16-21). A believer should undergo a spiritual death to self (2 Cor. 5:14-15; Gal. 6:14).
Being a servant of Jesus requires following Him. Many of Jesus’ original servants did follow Him—in death. According to tradition, the early disciples died as martyrs. Jesus’ word was thus a prophecy and also a promise. His true disciples (those who serve Him) follow Him in humiliation and later in honor or glory (Rom. 8:17, 36-39; 2 Tim. 2:11-13).

Luke 12:16-21
Then He spoke a parable to them, saying: "The ground of a certain rich man yielded plentifully. [17] And he thought within himself, saying, 'What shall I do, since I have no room to store my crops?' [18] So he said, 'I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build greater, and there I will store all my crops and my goods. [19] And I will say to my soul, "Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years; take your ease; eat, drink, and be merry." ' [20] But God said to him, 'Fool! This night your soul will be required of you; then whose will those things be which you have provided?' [21] So is he who lays up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God."

2 Cor. 5:14-15
For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; [15] and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.

Galatians 6:14
But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

Romans 8:17
and if children, then heirs--heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

Romans 8:36-39
As it is written:
"For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."
[37] Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. [38] For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, [39] nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

2 Tim. 2:11-13
This is a faithful saying:
For if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him.
[12] If we endure, We shall also reign with Him.
If we deny Him, He also will deny us.
[13] If we are faithless, He remains faithful;
He cannot deny Himself.



John 12:26
If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor.

JFB Commentary:
26. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: If any man serve me, him will my Father honour—Jesus here claims the same absolute subjection to Himself, as the law of men's exaltation to honor, as He yielded to the Father.

[Debra R]

I'll try to post the commentaries tomorrow.... today is not a good day for me.... fever and shaking.....

You have a very special grandson Debra..... we can learn a lot from him.... :hug:

Thank you my beloved sister.
I hope you are feeling better.
Love you. :kiss: :hug:

[Debra R]

A few more verses.
These from the Amplified Bible.

John 12:27) Now My soul is troubled and distressed, and what shall I say? Father, save Me from this hour [of trial and agony]? But it was for this very purpose that I have come to this hour [that I might undergo it].

Jesus said His soul was troubled and distressed. We can relate with Him, for many times our souls are troubled and distressed. He could have asked the Father to save Him from that hour of trial and agony, but it was for that reason that He came, that He might undergo it. And so with us, we want our Father to save us from the trials and agony, but maybe it is for that reason that we are in them, that we might undergo them, and come out refined, our faith more precious than gold, being strengthened, giving glory and honor and praise to our Father, and to our Lord Jesus Christ.

28) [Rather, I will say,] Father, glorify (honor and extol) Your [own] name! Then there came a voice out of heaven saying, I have already glorified it, and I will glorify it again.

29) The crowd of bystanders heard the sound and said that it had thundered; others said, An angel has spoken to Him!

30) Jesus answered, This voice has not come for My sake, but for your sake.

31) Now the judgment (crisis) of this world is coming on [sentence is now being passed on this world]. Now the ruler (evil genius, prince) of this world shall be cast out (expelled).

32) And I, if and when I am lifted up from the earth [on the cross], will draw and attract all men [Gentiles as well as Jews] to Myself.

Jesus said that if He be lifted up, He would draw all men to Himself. Do you know that if we Lift up Jesus' name, praise Him, tell of the wonders He does in our lives, others will see Him, and He can draw them to Himself. Make mention of His name always. Lift up Jesus to those around you.

33) He said this to signify in what manner He would die.

Can you imagine knowing exactly how you will die, even from the time you were born? Jesus knew exactly how He was to die. Even more than knowing He would die, can you imagine the weight of the sin of the world placed upon His shoulders. Our sin placed upon Him. I can't imagine, but I would think that had to be the worst of the agony, the horribleness of sin placed upon a mighty God.

34) At this the people answered Him, We have learned from the Law that the Christ is to remain forever; how then can You say, The Son of Man must be lifted up [on the cross]? Who is this Son of Man?


Blessings. :hug:

[Debra R]

Good morning my sisters, :kiss: :hug:

I thought I would post a few more verses.......

(AMP) John 12:35) So Jesus said to them, You will have the Light only a little while longer. Walk while you have the Light [keep on living by it], so that darkness may not overtake and overcome you. He who walks about in the dark does not know where he goes [he is drifting].

36) While you have the Light, believe in the Light [have faith in it, hold to it, rely on it], that you may become sons of the Light and be filled with Light. Jesus said these things, and then He went away and hid Himself from them [was lost to their view].

37) Even though He had done so many miracles before them (right before their eyes), yet they still did not trust in Him and failed to believe in Him--

38) So that what Isaiah the prophet said was fulfilled: Lord, who has believed our report and our message? And to whom has the arm (the power) of the Lord been shown (unveiled and revealed)?

39) Therefore they could not believe [they were unable to believe]. For Isaiah has also said,

40) He has blinded their eyes and hardened and benumbed their [callous, degenerated] hearts [He has made their minds dull], to keep them from seeing with their eyes and understanding with their hearts and minds and repenting and turning to Me to heal them.

41) Isaiah said this because he saw His glory and spoke of Him.

Blessings. :hug:

[Momof5]

Thank you, Mieke, for the commentaries and Debra, for keeping this study on track. Love you, my sisters.:hug:

Debra: Jesus said His soul was troubled and distressed. We can relate with Him, for many times our souls are troubled and distressed. He could have asked the Father to save Him from that hour of trial and agony, but it was for that reason that He came, that He might undergo it. And so with us, we want our Father to save us from the trials and agony, but maybe it is for that reason that we are in them, that we might undergo them, and come out refined, our faith more precious than gold, being strengthened, giving glory and honor and praise to our Father, and to our Lord Jesus Christ.

This is where I am right now and I know our Awesome God is refining me and strengthening me through troubles! Praise Him that He knows best for us!!

[Momof5]

38) So that what Isaiah the prophet said was fulfilled: Lord, who has believed our report and our message? And to whom has the arm (the power) of the Lord been shown (unveiled and revealed)?

39) Therefore they could not believe [they were unable to believe]. For Isaiah has also said,

40) He has blinded their eyes and hardened and benumbed their [callous, degenerated] hearts [He has made their minds dull], to keep them from seeing with their eyes and understanding with their hearts and minds and repenting and turning to Me to heal them.

41) Isaiah said this because he saw His glory and spoke of Him.

John tells us why they could not believe. They had rejected Jesus over and over and no longer were able to believe because God hardened their hearts!

[Debra R]

John 12:35) So Jesus said to them, You will have the Light only a little while longer. Walk while you have the Light [keep on living by it], so that darkness may not overtake and overcome you. He who walks about in the dark does not know where he goes [he is drifting].

Jesus was telling them He would only be with them a little while longer.
Walk while you have the light, so that darkness may not overtake you. Can darkness overtake us? Can we be overcome by darkness? If you don't walk in the light with Jesus you could be overtaken by darkness. That seems to be a blindness. So if you are not walking with Jesus you could become blinded. I think we are blind at times. Like at different stages of growing in Christ, when you are able to "see" or understand more, then you realize that you had been blind before. Did that make sense? Hope so.

This may explain what I'm thinking from John 16:12) "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
I remember reading that and thinking that is the way with us, there are times we are not ready to "hear" or understand the deeper things that God wants to reveal to us. Anyway, I was just thinking on the possiblities of darkness and blindness.



36) While you have the Light, believe in the Light [have faith in it, hold to it, rely on it], that you may become sons of the Light and be filled with Light. Jesus said these things, and then He went away and hid Himself from them [was lost to their view].

Believe in the light, believe in Jesus, stay close to Him, let His light shine on you, be filled with His light.

37) Even though He had done so many miracles before them (right before their eyes), yet they still did not trust in Him and failed to believe in Him--

This I can't comprehend, how they could have stood right in Jesus' presence and seen the miracles He did right before their very eyes and they still did not believe Him.

38) So that what Isaiah the prophet said was fulfilled: Lord, who has believed our report and our message? And to whom has the arm (the power) of the Lord been shown (unveiled and revealed)?

39) Therefore they could not believe [they were unable to believe]. For Isaiah has also said,

They were unable to believe. Why were they unable to believe? Thats a scary thought and also sad. Is it this way now too with those who can't believe? Is it that they are unable? Is it because they have refused for so long and have hardened their hearts, that now they have become unable? As in Isaiah the people were so stubborn, refusing to believe, they hardened their own hearts and the Lord them be.

40) He has blinded their eyes and hardened and benumbed their [callous, degenerated] hearts [He has made their minds dull], to keep them from seeing with their eyes and understanding with their hearts and minds and repenting and turning to Me to heal them.

41) Isaiah said this because he saw His glory and spoke of Him.

Just a few thoughts and maybe a little rambling this evening.
Blessings. :kiss: :hug:

[Debra R]

:) a few more verses.....

(AMP) John 12:42) And yet [in spite of all this] many even of the leading men (the authorities and the nobles) believed and trusted in Him. But because of the Pharisees they did not confess it, for fear that [if they should acknowledge Him] they would be expelled from the synagogue;


43) For they loved the approval and the praise and the glory that come from men [instead of and] more than the glory that comes from God. [They valued their credit with men more than their credit with God.]

44) But Jesus loudly declared, The one who believes in Me does not [only] believe in and trust in and rely on Me, but [in believing in Me he believes] in Him Who sent Me.

45) And whoever sees Me sees Him Who sent Me.

46) I have come as a Light into the world, so that whoever believes in Me [whoever cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me] may not continue to live in darkness.

Blessings. :hug:

[Momof5]

44) But Jesus loudly declared, The one who believes in Me does not [only] believe in and trust in and rely on Me, but [in believing in Me he believes] in Him Who sent Me.

45) And whoever sees Me sees Him Who sent Me.

To me, Jesus is telling us He is God in the flesh!

[Momof5]

I'm going to post the last verses in this chapter.....

NKJ John 12

47) And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

48) He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him - the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

49) For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.

50) And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.

[miepie]

I am sorry I have not posted any commentaries lately. I am not doing good and with the hospital on its way Monday I don't think I will have time to do it shortly. As soon as I am able I will do it again. I do read all you ladies' postings and I still am learning from it. :hug:

Love you,
Mieke :kiss:

[Momof5]

Take all the time you need, dear Mieke! I am sorry you are feeling so bad and I am praying for you always.:hug: :hug:

[Debra R]

44) But Jesus loudly declared, The one who believes in Me does not [only] believe in and trust in and rely on Me, but [in believing in Me he believes] in Him Who sent Me.

45) And whoever sees Me sees Him Who sent Me.


To me, Jesus is telling us He is God in the flesh!

Thank you Brenda, :hug:
That's what it says to me too!

(NASB) John 12:44)And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me.

45)"He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me.


John 14:9) Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

You see Jesus, you see our Father. Want to know our Father? Know Jesus! :)

[Debra R]

I'm going to post the last verses in this chapter.....

NKJ John 12

47) And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

48) He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him - the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

49) For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.

50) And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.

I see this also saying that if you reject Jesus, you also reject the Father.

[Debra R]

I am sorry I have not posted any commentaries lately. I am not doing good and with the hospital on its way Monday I don't think I will have time to do it shortly. As soon as I am able I will do it again. I do read all you ladies' postings and I still am learning from it. :hug:

Love you,
Mieke :kiss:

Praying for you dear sister, :hug:
praying for your surgery. You will be fine, you are in our Father's hands.

When you are well then you can do the commentaries. :hug:
With Nathaniel in the hospital I haven't been able to focus on this either.
But there is no hurry, we will enjoy what we have time to do. And our God will bless us.

Love you dear sister. :hug:

[Debra R]

Thank you Brenda and Mieke :hug:, my beloved sisters,
thank you for helping me in this study, thank you for helping me to learn more of our Savior. Love you both dearly. :kiss: :hug:

[Momof5]

I love this study and love both of you, Deb and Mieke.:hug: :hug:


47) And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

48) He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him - the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

I see this as saying that Jesus came to save at His first coming but He will come as judge at the second coming.

[miepie]

I have enjoyed this study a lot too..... I have learned so much along the way.... thanks to the two of you I have learned how much fun it can be and how much of a learning experience..... I really love you Brenda and Debra and I hope I can continue with you two very soon..... :hug:
I will be praying for the two of you in the hospital.... :pray:

Lots of love,
Mieke :kiss:

[miepie]

Ok here is the final part from John 12....
John 12:42
Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue;

JFB Commentary:
42, 43. among the chief rulers also—rather, "even of the rulers"; such as Nicodemus and Joseph.
because of the Pharisees—that is, the leaders of the sects; for they were of it themselves.
put out of the synagogue—See John 9:22, 34.

John 9:22
These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

John 9:34
They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:42-43. In spite of massive national unbelief, the situation was not hopeless. God always has a remnant. Many individuals in high places did believe in Jesus, but for fear of being put out of the synagogue they did not openly confess Him. They feared men’s opinions and loved men’s praise more than God’s praise.



John 12:43
[43] for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

JFB Commentary:
43. they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God—"a severe remark, considering that several at least of these persons afterwards boldly confessed Christ. It indicates the displeasure with which God regarded their conduct at this time, and with which He continues to regard similar conduct" [WEBSTER and WILKINSON].



John 12:44-50
[44] Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me. [45] And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me. [46] I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. [47] And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. [48] He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him--the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. [49] For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. [50] And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."

JFB Commentary:
44-50. Jesus cried—in a loud tone, and with peculiar solemnity. (Compare John 7:37).
and said, He that believeth on me, &c.—This seems to be a supplementary record of some weighty proclamations, for which there had been found no natural place before, and introduced here as a sort of summary and winding up of His whole testimony.

John 7:37
In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

Up to John 13! :pp

Love you,
Mieke :kiss: