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Momof5
Nov 16th 2006, 08:55 PM
We are going to begin looking at the final hours of our Lord on this earth.....I pray we will all get a deeper understanding of what He did for us that we could be reconciled with God!:hug:
John 18 (NKJV)
1) When Jesus had spoken these words, He went out with His disciples over the Brook Kidron, where there was a garden, which He and His disciples entered.
2) And Judas, who betrayed Him, also knew the place, for Jesus often met there with His disciples.
miepie
Nov 17th 2006, 11:27 PM
I promise to try to join in again Brenda..... tomorrow I will find the commentaries from these verses...... :hug:
Love you,
Mieke :kiss:
Debra R
Nov 18th 2006, 01:28 AM
I promise to try to join in again Brenda..... tomorrow I will find the commentaries from these verses...... :hug:
Love you,
Mieke :kiss:
I am so glad you can join us again. :hug:
miepie
Nov 20th 2006, 10:15 PM
I have added verse 3, one of my commentaries explains verse 2 and 3 in one.
John 18:1
When Jesus had spoken these words, He went out with His disciples over the Brook Kidron, where there was a garden, which He and His disciples entered.
JFB Commentary:
John 18:1-13. BETRAYAL AND APPREHENSION OF JESUS.
1-3. over the brook Kedron—a deep, dark ravine, to the northeast of Jerusalem, through which flowed this small storm brook or winter torrent, and which in summer is dried up.
where was a garden—at the foot of the Mount of Olives, "called Gethsemane; that is, olive press (Matthew 26:30, 36).
Matthew 26:30
And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.
Matthew 26:36
Then Jesus came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and said to the disciples, "Sit here while I go and pray over there."
Bible Knowledge Commentary:
18:1. Jesus left the room where He ate the Last Supper with His disciples and crossed the Kidron Valley, to the east. The Kidron, the modern Wodi en-Nar, is a valley or torrent bed which starts north of Jerusalem and passes between the temple mount and the Mount of Olives on its way to the Dead Sea. David was betrayed by a friend (Ahithophel) while crossing the Kidron and going up to the Mount of Olives (2 Sam. 15:23, 30-31). So too Jesus was betrayed by His “trusted friend” Judas while crossing the Kidron and going to the Mount of Olives. The olive grove was a place where Jesus and His disciples came each night to bivouac when they were in Jerusalem (Luke 21:37). During festival times (e.g., the Passover) thousands of Jews flocked to the Holy City and most of them had to stay in tents or other temporary shelters.
2 Samuel 15:23
And all the country wept with a loud voice, and all the people crossed over. The king himself also crossed over the Brook Kidron, and all the people crossed over toward the way of the wilderness.
2 Samuel 15:30-31
So David went up by the Ascent of the Mount of Olives, and wept as he went up; and he had his head covered and went barefoot. And all the people who were with him covered their heads and went up, weeping as they went up. [31] Then someone told David, saying, "Ahithophel is among the conspirators with Absalom." And David said, "O Lord, I pray, turn the counsel of Ahithophel into foolishness!"
Luke 21:37
And in the daytime He was teaching in the temple, but at night He went out and stayed on the mountain called Olivet.
John 18:2
And Judas, who betrayed Him, also knew the place; for Jesus often met there with His disciples.
JFB Commentary:
2. Judas . . . knew the place, for Jesus ofttimes—see John 8:1; Luke 21:37.
resorted thither with his disciples—The baseness of this abuse of knowledge in Judas, derived from admission to the closest privacies of his Master, is most touchingly conveyed here, though nothing beyond bare narrative is expressed. Jesus, however, knowing that in this spot Judas would expect to find Him, instead of avoiding it, hies Him thither, as a Lamb to the slaughter. "No man taketh My life from Me, but I lay it down of Myself" (John 10:18). Besides, the scene which was to fill up the little breathing-time, the awful interval, between the Supper and the Apprehension—like the "silence in heaven for about the space of half an hour" between the breaking of the Apocalyptic Seals and the peal of the Trumpets of war (Rev. 8:1) —the AGONY—would have been too terrible for the upper room; nor would He cloud the delightful associations of the last Passover and the first Supper by pouring out the anguish of His soul there. The garden, however, with its amplitude, its shady olives, its endeared associations, would be congenial to His heart. Here He had room enough to retire—first, from eight of them, and then from the more favored three; and here, when that mysterious scene was over, the stillness would only be broken by the tread of the traitor.
John 8:1
But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
Luke 21:37
And in the daytime He was teaching in the temple, but at night He went out and stayed on the mountain called Olivet.
John 10:18
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."
Rev. 8:1
When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.
Bible Knowledge Commentary:
18:2-3. “The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil” (1 Tim. 6:10). So it is not surprising that Judas… betrayed Jesus for money (John 12:4-6; Matt. 26:14-16). Judas was not an unusual monster but a common man caught in a common sin (greed) which Satan used to accomplish his purpose. Judas knew the habits of Jesus, and his deed stands out in black contrast with Jesus’ unselfish love. The soldiers… officials from the chief priests, and Pharisees united in their hostility toward Jesus. The detachment of Roman soldiers was a cohort (speiran, 10th part of a legion), which here included about 600 men. They were probably commanded to pick up this insurrectionist who claimed to be some kind of king.
1 Tim. 6:10
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Matthew 26:14-16
Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests [15] and said, "What are you willing to give me if I deliver Him to you?" And they counted out to him thirty pieces of silver. [16] So from that time he sought opportunity to betray Him.
John 18:3
Then Judas, having received a detachment of troops, and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, came there with lanterns, torches, and weapons.
JFB Commentary:
3. Judas then—"He that was called Judas, one of the Twelve," says Luke (Luke 22:47), in language which brands him with peculiar infamy, as in the sacred circle while in no sense of it.
a band of men—"the detachment of the Roman cohort on duty at the festival for the purpose of maintaining order" [WEBSTER and WILKINSON].
officers from the chief priests and Pharisees—captains of the temple and armed Levites.
lanterns and torches—It was full moon, but in case He should have secreted Himself somewhere in the dark ravine, they bring the means of exploring its hiding-places—little knowing whom they had to do with. "Now he that betrayed Him had given them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is He, hold Him fast" (Matthew 26:48). The cold-bloodedness of this speech was only exceeded by the deed itself. "And Judas went before them [Luke 22:47], and forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, Master, and kissed Him" (Matthew 26:49; compare Exodus 4:27; Exodus 18:7; Luke 7:45). The impudence of this atrocious deed shows how thoroughly he had by this time mastered all his scruples. If the dialogue between our Lord and His captors was before this, as some interpreters think it was, the kiss of Judas was purely gratuitous, and probably to make good his right to the money; our Lord having presented Himself unexpectedly before them, and rendered it unnecessary for any one to point Him out. But a comparison of the narratives seems to show that our Lord's "coming forth" to the band was subsequent to the interview of Judas. "And Jesus said unto him, Friend"—not the endearing term "friend" (in John 15:15), but "companion," a word used on occasions of remonstrance or rebuke (as in Matthew 20:13; Matthew 22:12) —"Wherefore art thou come?" (Matthew 26:50). "Betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss"—imprinting upon the foulest act the mark of tenderest affection? What wounded feeling does this express! Of this Jesus showed Himself on various occasions keenly susceptible—as all generous and beautiful natures do.
Luke 22:47
And while He was still speaking, behold, a multitude; and he who was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them and drew near to Jesus to kiss Him.
Matthew 26:48
Now His betrayer had given them a sign, saying, "Whomever I kiss, He is the One; seize Him."
Matthew 26:49
Immediately he went up to Jesus and said, "Greetings, Rabbi!" and kissed Him.
Exodus 4:27
And the Lord said to Aaron, "Go into the wilderness to meet Moses." So he went and met him on the mountain of God, and kissed him.
Exodus 18:7
So Moses went out to meet his father-in-law, bowed down, and kissed him. And they asked each other about their well-being, and they went into the tent.
Luke 7:45
You gave Me no kiss, but this woman has not ceased to kiss My feet since the time I came in.
John 15:15
No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you.
Matthew 20:13
But he answered one of them and said, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
Matthew 22:12
So he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?' And he was speechless.
Matthew 26:50
But Jesus said to him, "Friend, why have you come?" Then they came and laid hands on Jesus and took Him.
My commentary:
I am amazed by the courage of Jesus here...... not only could He have gone somewhere unfindable for Judas, but He didn't even hide in the garden, He went to an open space to prevent an attack on the disciples. What courage that is! Also it must have been so painful for someone so loving that He got betrayed with a kiss...... the Symbol of Love betrayed with the ultimate expression of love..... that must have been so hard..... Jesus knew what was going to happen and was led as a "Lamb to the slaughter". In our world we fight so much when something bad happens to us, and yet here Jesus shows us that in the most difficult part of His Life, that He does not attempt to flee away but let happen what has to happen, being tortured and nailed to a cross and take our sins upon Him and die! What an amazing example! What a lot of love is here expressed!
Love you,
Mieke :kiss:
Debra R
Nov 23rd 2006, 02:48 PM
Thank you Mieke :hug:, I especially liked your commentary.
I was thinking on verse 3.....
John 18:3 Then Judas, having received a detachment of troops, and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, came there with lanterns, torches, and weapons.
That's interesting that they brought weapons. I wonder what their thoughts were. Were they afraid of Jesus and His disciples? :hmm:
A few more verses and a few thoughts......
(NKJ) John 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that would come upon Him, went forward and said to them, “Whom are you seeking?”
Jesus was not afraid. He showed Himself and asked who they were seeking. He didn't attempt to hide or runaway. He knew what was to come. For this is the reason that He had come. To give of Himself. To lay down His life for us that He might take it up again, to conquer death. To make the perfect sacrifice for sin that we be reconciled to God. Praise God! Thank you Jesus!
5 They answered Him, “Jesus of Nazareth.”
Jesus said to them, “I am He.” And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them.
Do you wonder His thoughts of Judas? Of course He knew Judas would betray Him. But do you think He felt sadness and hurt at Judas' betrayal?
6 Now when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
They fell to the ground. There must have been something about His presence, or maybe they were amazed that He surrendered Himself to them.
7 Then He asked them again, “Whom are you seeking?”
And they said, “Jesus of Nazareth.”
8 Jesus answered, “I have told you that I am He. Therefore, if you seek Me, let these go their way,”
How precious His concern for His disciples. "Let these go their way."
9 that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, “Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none.”
Of those the Father gave Him, He lost none. Just as with us.
I am reminded of these verses....
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I love those verses.
This made me think of the verses of the shepherd seeking his sheep. I like these.......
Ezekiel 34:11 ‘For thus says the Lord GOD: “Indeed I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out.
That verse in Ezekiel has given me comfort that God seeks out His sheep. When I worry about those I love who may be lost I am reminded that God will seek them out. He hears our prayers and will seek and find our loved ones and draw them to Himself.
Jeremiah 31:8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country,
And gather them from the ends of the earth,
Among them the blind and the lame,
The woman with child
And the one who labors with child, together;
A great throng shall return there.
Luke 19:10 for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”
John 10:16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
Thank you Lord Jesus for being our Shepherd.
Blessings :hug:
Momof5
Nov 23rd 2006, 06:57 PM
Hi Deb & Mieke!:hug:
6 Now when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
I would imagine when Jesus said this, the only thing they could do was fall to the ground! Being in the presence of God!!
judi<>><
Nov 27th 2006, 12:37 AM
Just a little side note....
I was taught in a Biblical Hebrew class that the phrase "I am he" doesn't occur in the OT. Look it up. Nobody says that. Know why? Because the LORD told Moses, "Tell them 'I AM' sent me..." Jewish folks didn't say "I am he..." because it was too close to the NAME of God.
No wonder then, that when Jesus said "I AM He..." they fell to the ground. The God who created the Earth had just spoken His Own Name, and revealed Himself in their presence. I imagine we would all do the same--falling to the ground in reverence.
Imagine their confusion--the Power and the Presence of God revealed to them as they seek a simple carpenter named Jesus from the backwater town of Nazareth. And when they ask again--the same response from Jesus does not create the same scene--this time, Jesus was allowing them to take Him. They dared not take those who he said for them to leave alone...He had already once displayed His Power with a simple word---"I am He...."
Debra R
Nov 27th 2006, 02:43 AM
Just a little side note....
I was taught in a Biblical Hebrew class that the phrase "I am he" doesn't occur in the OT. Look it up. Nobody says that. Know why? Because the LORD told Moses, "Tell them 'I AM' sent me..." Jewish folks didn't say "I am he..." because it was too close to the NAME of God.
No wonder then, that when Jesus said "I AM He..." they fell to the ground. The God who created the Earth had just spoken His Own Name, and revealed Himself in their presence. I imagine we would all do the same--falling to the ground in reverence.
Imagine their confusion--the Power and the Presence of God revealed to them as they seek a simple carpenter named Jesus from the backwater town of Nazareth. And when they ask again--the same response from Jesus does not create the same scene--this time, Jesus was allowing them to take Him. They dared not take those who he said for them to leave alone...He had already once displayed His Power with a simple word---"I am He...."
Thank you Judi :hug:, that was great!
I can understand now why they were afraid and shocked. And they only took Jesus because He allowed it.
I was taught in a Biblical Hebrew class that the phrase "I am he" doesn't occur in the OT. Look it up. Nobody says that. Know why? Because the LORD told Moses, "Tell them 'I AM' sent me..." Jewish folks didn't say "I am he..." because it was too close to the NAME of God.
What you wrote here reminded me of this.........
John 10:30) I and My Father are one."
31) Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32) Jesus answered them, "Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?"
33) The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
The Jews did perceive that Jesus was indeed saying that He was the great "I Am".
Blessings :hug:
Momof5
Nov 27th 2006, 05:11 PM
Thank you, Judi, for adding to the study. This is good!:hug:
Here's a couple more verses.....
10) Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.
11) So Jesus said to Peter, "Put your sword into the sheath. Shall I not drink the cup which My Father has given Me?"
judi<>><
Dec 3rd 2006, 12:32 AM
In Luke 22, we see this interesting exchange: 35Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?"
"Nothing," they answered.
36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'[b]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."
38The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."
"That is enough," he replied.There, as here, it is noted that one of the disciples (here identified as Peter) draws a sword on those who have come for Jesus. Obviously, the disciples were aware of how dangerous things were becoming for Jesus, and were prepared to defend Him--but He didn't need or want that defense. What was coming was not something He was unprepared for. He had known all along what was to come. And He was decided to "drink the cup" of suffering for us.
Debra R
Dec 9th 2006, 03:20 AM
In Luke 22, we see this interesting exchange:There, as here, it is noted that one of the disciples (here identified as Peter) draws a sword on those who have come for Jesus. Obviously, the disciples were aware of how dangerous things were becoming for Jesus, and were prepared to defend Him--but He didn't need or want that defense. What was coming was not something He was unprepared for. He had known all along what was to come. And He was decided to "drink the cup" of suffering for us.
Thank you Judi :hug:
It also says in Matthew 26:52 But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?”
There was no way they could have taken Jesus without Him allowing it. So we can see He did go willing. He chose to give Himself for us.
Thank you Jesus. Thank you Jesus for your love. Thank you Jesus for giving us life, eternal life with you.
Debra R
Dec 9th 2006, 03:25 AM
A few more verses.....
John 18:12 Then the detachment of troops and the captain and the officers of the Jews arrested Jesus and bound Him.
13 And they led Him away to Annas first, for he was the father-in-law of Caiaphas who was high priest that year.
14 Now it was Caiaphas who advised the Jews that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.
judi<>><
Dec 10th 2006, 12:39 AM
Interesting passage here...
There was more politics than spirituality in the High Priesthood at this time. Annas had previously held the position of High Priest--placed there by political authorities, not by the lottery position originally used for selecting a High Priest from the line of Aaron. He was deposed in favor of his own sons and son-in-law, rather than continuing the position until he was unable to perform it any longer. These "sons of Annas" were well-known for making their money through providing the necessary animals and coinage for sacrifice in the temple (in other words, these were the "moneychangers" that Jesus had driven out....:hmm: ).
It is interesting that Jesus was taken first to Annas' house. Was this to show deference to the former High Priest, or did he have his son-in-law Caiaphas under his thumb? Too much political intrigue for me.
The next verse refers back to the exchange in John 11 45Therefore many of the Jews who had come to visit Mary, and had seen what Jesus did, put their faith in him. 46But some of them went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done. 47Then the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin.
"What are we accomplishing?" they asked. "Here is this man performing many miraculous signs. 48If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our place[a] and our nation."
49Then one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, "You know nothing at all! 50You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish."
51He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, 52and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one. 53So from that day on they plotted to take his life. Yes, Caiaphas was aware that Jesus was a political danger to the Jews, but God spoke through him in revealing that Jesus was dying not merely for political expediency, but for the salvation of the Jews, and of the nations!!!
Momof5
Dec 12th 2006, 07:09 PM
I've really enjoyed reading these comments....thanks Deb and Judi. :hug:
Here are the next few verses:
15) And Simon Peter followed Jesus, and so did another disciple. Now that disciple was known to the high priest, and went with Jesus into the courtyard of the high priest.
16) But Peter stood at the door outside. Then the other disciple, who was known to the high priest, went out and spoke to her who kept the door, and brought Peter in.
17) Then the servant girl who kept the door said to Peter, "You are not also one of this Man's disciples, are you?" He said, "I am not."
18) Now the servants and officers who had made a fire of coals stood there, for it was cold, and they warmed themselves. And Peter stood with them and warmed himself.
Barbara888
Dec 13th 2006, 12:24 AM
Hello ladies,
What a wonderful study of John 18.. may I join in?
As I was reading your comments, I was reminded of this passage of Scripture in Hebrews 5..
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Isn't it awe inspiring to think of the perfect Son of God "being made perfect" by the obedience of suffering? What an example! What an encouragement to all of us who suffer in this life as we turn away from the world and obey the Word of God!
All praise to our magnificent Lord Jesus who is the author of our salvation!
Barbara:)
Momof5
Dec 13th 2006, 01:16 AM
Welcome to the board, Barbara....and please continue with us in this study.:hug:
judi<>><
Dec 13th 2006, 12:47 PM
15) And Simon Peter followed Jesus, and so did another disciple. Now that disciple was known to the high priest, and went with Jesus into the courtyard of the high priest.
16) But Peter stood at the door outside. Then the other disciple, who was known to the high priest, went out and spoke to her who kept the door, and brought Peter in.Interesting passage...and one that is frequently passed over, since it is followed quickly by Peter's denial...
Who is this "other disciple?" Tradition tells us that "the beloved disciple" in John was most likely John himself. And it makes sense that if he was the "other disciple" who entered into the High Priest's house, he would then have the later information of just what went on in there...:hmm: One commentary I read suggested that as the sons of a wealthy fish merchant, James and John might very likely have known the family of the High Priest--perhaps supplying their fish!
We also have the earlier hint that John was first a follower of John the Baptist. It is possible that as the second son (hence, "James and John" rather than "John and James"), he was being prepared as a scholar rather than a fisherman--since his older brother would have primacy in the inheritance. :dunno:
In any case, if he hadn't gotten entrance into the High Priest's house, we might very well have no idea what really happened to Jesus in there!
Barbara888
Dec 13th 2006, 02:26 PM
I never noticed that before.. that one disciple went with Jesus into the courtyard while Peter stayed outside.
What a great application for us all in this text. Stay close to Jesus and we will be true to Him.. lag behind and we will be tempted to deny Him like Simon Peter.
James 4:8a
Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.
May the Lord Jesus help us draw near to Him today and every day.:pray:
Barbara
judi<>><
Dec 13th 2006, 04:45 PM
Now, there's a good point!! :hug:
Momof5
Dec 13th 2006, 07:42 PM
Now, there's a good point!! :hug:
Yes! Great insight, ladies.:hug:
17) Then the servant girl who kept the door said to Peter, "You are not also one of this Man's disciples, are you?" He said, "I am not."
This was Peter's first denial of Jesus.
I will add a few more verses....
19) The high priest then asked Jesus about His disciples and His doctrine.
20) Jesus answered him, "I spoke openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where the Jews always meet, and in secret I have said nothing.
21) Why do you ask Me? Ask those who have heard Me what I said to them. Indeed they know what I said."
22) And when He had said these things, one of the officers who stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, "Do You answer the high priest like that?"
23) Jesus answered him, "If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil; but if well, why do you strike Me?"
24) Then Annas sent Him bound to Caiaphas the high priest.
Barbara888
Dec 13th 2006, 09:15 PM
Peter's failure is such a poignant reminder of the weakness of our flesh and how easy it is for us to fail to stand for our Lord in the hard times.
This Scripture comes to mind:
1 Corinthians 15:33 Do not be deceived: "Evil company corrupts good habits."
We need to be so very careful of the company we keep.. our fleshly weakness toward deception is never to be underestimated. Peter was outside with the servants of the high priest. He should have been inside with Jesus and the other disciple.
I am also reminded of Peter's inability to hear the Lord's warning to him prior to this terrible trial.
Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Peter slept instead of watching and praying. His flesh was weak. Our flesh is weak. We desperately need to watch and pray -- no wonder we find ourselves facing so many temptations.
But most of all, I am struck by the loving mercy of our Lord Jesus toward Peter and toward all of us who believe. He knows our weakness. He knows our failures. He sees our sin. Yet He loves us and prays for us.. just as Jesus prayed for Peter.
Luke 22:31-32
And the Lord said, "Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat.
But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren."
What a merciful Savior. What a gracious Lord we serve. :)
Barbara
judi<>><
Dec 14th 2006, 02:05 AM
Jesus is challenging the tactics of the Sanhedrin here. He knows, as they do, that the Law requires them to produce witnesses who will give them the proof they seek to put Him to death. Even in Biblical times, no one was really expected to "incriminate" him or her self.
Yet Jesus' accusers do not immediately bring out witnesses against Him. Instead, they seem to be attempting to bait Him into saying something for which He can be accused of a crime worthy of death.
When He pointedly states, "I have said nothing in secret," Jesus is really saying, "You already know my teachings. So why don't you witness against me if I have said anything wrong?"
Being "in contempt of court," as the actions of the officer seem to suggest was also an offense worthy of death in the Old Testament times. But the High Priest in Pilate's day had to find a charge that would stick for a Roman court, which somewhat tied his hands.
Momof5
Dec 14th 2006, 02:40 PM
Jesus is challenging the tactics of the Sanhedrin here. He knows, as they do, that the Law requires them to produce witnesses who will give them the proof they seek to put Him to death. Even in Biblical times, no one was really expected to "incriminate" him or her self.
Yet Jesus' accusers do not immediately bring out witnesses against Him. Instead, they seem to be attempting to bait Him into saying something for which He can be accused of a crime worthy of death.
When He pointedly states, "I have said nothing in secret," Jesus is really saying, "You already know my teachings. So why don't you witness against me if I have said anything wrong?"
Being "in contempt of court," as the actions of the officer seem to suggest was also an offense worthy of death in the Old Testament times. But the High Priest in Pilate's day had to find a charge that would stick for a Roman court, which somewhat tied his hands.
Absolutely, Judi. Jesus knew the law....witnesses had to testify first before questioning Jesus.
It was also against the Law for the officer to strike Him. There was not to be punishment before conviction. Again, Jesus told them to present evidence against Him.
Momof5
Jan 4th 2007, 04:06 PM
Good morning, ladies!:hug: I didn't realize it had been this long since a post was made - so here are the next few verses:
25) Now Simon Peter stood and warmed himself. Therefore they said to him, "You are not also one of His disciples, are you?" He denied it and said, "I am not!"
26) One of the servants of the high priest, a relative of him whose ear Peter cut off, said, "Did I not see you in the garden with Him?"
27) Peter then denied again; and immediately a rooster crowed.
Peter gave in to the pressures of the world and denied Jesus for the second and third time - just as Jesus said he would. Luke 22: 60-62 - But Peter said, "Man, I do not know what you are saying!" Immediately, while he was still speaking the rooster crowed. And the Lord turned and looked at Peter. Then Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how He had said to him, "Before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times." So Peter went out and wept bitterly.
judi<>><
Jan 16th 2007, 01:47 AM
One has to wonder who Peter thought he was fooling. :no: I guess he realized as soon as that cock crowed that he has fooled no one except himself.
Self-preservation runs deep in each one of us. I doubt I would even have been brave enough to follow Jesus into the High Priest's courtyard, much less risk being seen as I waited by the fire. I would have fled with the other disciples!
So I have little to say about Peter's denials!! :blushsad:
Debra R
Jan 18th 2007, 04:31 AM
I'm sorry I haven't been working on our study. I've been down in the dumps. Just getting through the days have been tough.
You ladies have been doing a great job though. :hug:
I will post soon I promise.
Love ya :hug:.
Momof5
Jan 19th 2007, 03:34 PM
Deb, it is so good to see you posting! I have really missed you.:hug:
A few more verses:
28) Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover.
29) Pilate then went out to them and said "What accusation do you bring against this Man?"
30) They answered and said to him, "If He were not an evildoer, we would not have delivered Him up to you."
31) Then Pilate said to them, "You take Him and judge Him according to your law." Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"
32) that the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled which He spoke, signifying by what death He would die.
Debra R
Jan 23rd 2007, 04:17 AM
Deb, it is so good to see you posting! I have really missed you.:hug:
A few more verses:
28) Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover.
29) Pilate then went out to them and said "What accusation do you bring against this Man?"
30) They answered and said to him, "If He were not an evildoer, we would not have delivered Him up to you."
31) Then Pilate said to them, "You take Him and judge Him according to your law." Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"
32) that the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled which He spoke, signifying by what death He would die.
Thank you sis:hug:
I looked up the cross references for verse 32
Matthew 16:21) From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.
John 3:14) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
John 12:32) And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” 33) This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
Acts 2:22) “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23) Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24) whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.
Praises to our Lord God!
Blessings :hug:
Debra R
Jan 23rd 2007, 04:23 AM
a few more verses......
(NKJ) John 18:33) Then Pilate entered the Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”
34) Jesus answered him, “Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?”
35) Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”
36) Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
Blessings:hug:
beachbum53
Jan 27th 2007, 09:37 PM
Pilate I think believed Jesus but did not chose to hear more
what a tragedy to know the 'truth' and reject it
Jesus was saying he wasn't a threat to the governor
His kingdom is not of this world
Rev. 11:15
15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.%2011:15&version=50#fen-NKJV-30882a)] of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”
Momof5
Jan 30th 2007, 05:53 PM
Pilate I think believed Jesus but did not chose to hear more
what a tragedy to know the 'truth' and reject it
Jesus was saying he wasn't a threat to the governor
His kingdom is not of this world
Rev. 11:15
15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.%2011:15&version=50#fen-NKJV-30882a)] of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”
Yes, you hit the nail on the head about the truth! Look at the next verses:
37) Pilate therefore said to Him, "Are You a king then?" Jesus answered, "You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."
38) Pilate said to Him, "What is truth?" And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews, and said to them, "I find no fault in Him at all."
If Pilate had really wanted truth, he would have understood what Jesus was saying. John 10:27 - My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
Pilate found no fault in Jesus but gave into the crowd....even Pilate's wife warned him.....Matthew 27: 19 While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent to him saying, "have nothing to do with that just Man, for I have suffered many things today in a dream because of Him."
We cannot let the world and our position, possessions and wealth get in the way of the Truth. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6)
Debra R
Jan 31st 2007, 12:13 PM
Last verses.....
John 18:39 “But you have a custom that I should release someone to you at the Passover. Do you therefore want me to release to you the King of the Jews?”
40 Then they all cried again, saying, “Not this Man, but Barabbas!” Now Barabbas was a robber.
References.....
Matthew 27:15 Now at the feast the governor was accustomed to release for the people any one prisoner whom they wanted.
16 At that time they were holding a notorious prisoner, called Barabbas.
17 So when the people gathered together, Pilate said to them, "Whom do you want me to release for you? Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?"
18 For he knew that because of envy they had handed Him over.
22 Pilate said to them, "Then what shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?" They all said, "Crucify Him!"
23 And he said, "Why, what evil has He done?" But they kept shouting all the more, saying, "Crucify Him!"
24 When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but rather that a riot was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd, saying, "I am innocent of this Man's blood; see to that yourselves."
25 And all the people said, "His blood shall be on us and on our children!"
beachbum53
Feb 1st 2007, 01:00 AM
Yes, you hit the nail on the head about the truth! Look at the next verses:
If Pilate had really wanted truth, he would have understood what Jesus was saying. John 10:27 - My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
Pilate found no fault in Jesus but gave into the crowd....even Pilate's wife warned him.....Matthew 27: 19 While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent to him saying, "have nothing to do with that just Man, for I have suffered many things today in a dream because of Him."
We cannot let the world and our position, possessions and wealth get in the way of the Truth. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6)
I especially like John 10:27 you pointed out. thanks!
verses 38-40-
Pilate was more worried about himself and took the easy way out instead of justice.
Barabbas means son of the father.......I don't know what if anything that means
The people chose a murderer over Jesus. Even people who know the truth choose Barabbas.....whatever is ok with the world ways.
It is also easier for Christians sometimes to also 'take the easy way out' and agree with non-believers in a gathering.
Isaiah 53:5-6
5 But he was pierced for our rebellion,
crushed for our sins.
He was beaten so we could be whole.
He was whipped so we could be healed.
6 All of us, like sheep, have strayed away.
We have left God’s paths to follow our own.
Yet the Lord laid on him
the sins of us all.
all these references in the ot are 'amazing'!
Momof5
Feb 1st 2007, 02:24 PM
Good study, ladies! If you have anything else on this chapter, please continue to post - now on to Chapter 19!:hug:
Debra R
Feb 2nd 2007, 01:03 AM
I especially like John 10:27 you pointed out. thanks!
verses 38-40-
Pilate was more worried about himself and took the easy way out instead of justice.
Barabbas means son of the father.......I don't know what if anything that means
The people chose a murderer over Jesus. Even people who know the truth choose Barabbas.....whatever is ok with the world ways.
It is also easier for Christians sometimes to also 'take the easy way out' and agree with non-believers in a gathering.
Isaiah 53:5-6
5 But he was pierced for our rebellion,
crushed for our sins.
He was beaten so we could be whole.
He was whipped so we could be healed.
6 All of us, like sheep, have strayed away.
We have left God’s paths to follow our own.
Yet the Lord laid on him
the sins of us all.
all these references in the ot are 'amazing'!
The O T references are amazing! It is so exciting when you read them.
Thank you sis :hug:
Debra R
Feb 2nd 2007, 01:05 AM
Good study, ladies! If you have anything else on this chapter, please continue to post - now on to Chapter 19!:hug:
:pp I hope everyone will join us in the next chapter :).
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