Spiritual Warfare for our children

[moonglow]

Ephesians 6
10 A final word: Be strong with the Lord’s might power. 11 Put on
all of God’s armor so that you will be able to stand firm against
all strategies and ticks of the Devil. 12 For we are not fighting
against people made of flesh and blood, but against the evil
rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against those mighty
powers of darkness who rule this world, and against wicked
spirits in the heavenly realms.

First I am posting my testimony then going to add to this post more information that I have posted on other threads:


My son has been dx with ADHD, explosive disorder, major depression and anxiety disorder, sensory processing disorder, auditory processing disorder, learning disablity, PTSD, and ODD....and he was ALMOST dx with either bioplar or sinzophrenia because he was hearing voices and seeing things...there are more dx too but you know, I lost track of them..they just kept changing anyway. He also had airborne, food and chemical allergies. He is seven and a half...be eight in December.


When I first started posting on a parent message board, Nathan was just three and a half years old and had huge behavioral problems already. On the message board now there are over 6,000 members now I think, posting from all over the whole with children who defy their parents, swear at them, lie, steal, drink and do drugs, abuse their siblings and even sometimes their parents. When I first posted on their fourm for younger children no one was posting there..now its busy and full all the time. The children with problems starting at even a younger age.

The werid thing is not all the children in the family have problems...many times its just one of them while the other kids are fine...other them living in this horrible situation that is. They start out like my son did...raging and being voilent and defieing any authority figures in their life. And it just gets worse as they get older.

Nathan was on a down hill slide too until I found this parent board and learned from another member how to reburk evil spirits/demons..whatever they are, in the Name of Jesus. Nathan, now seven has not had a rage in about two months now...and I thank God and Karenmont for this blessing.

Reglious talk on this board is not allow otherwise I would be on their yelling this good news... though there are Christians on there...and a mix of many other beliefs. There is no hope on this board...VERY few of these kids ever get better, just worse.

I am STILL utterly amazed at how much progress my son has made simply through rebuking evil spirits of rage, pain, fear, defiance and so on...

I was very doubtful about this at first and prayed about it but God told me to do it so I did....even though I felt silly at first...

Now I have no problems doing it...if I see Nathan acting up...getting nasty, back talking or just upset...I quickly identfiy the 'mood' hence the spirit..whisper a reburking under my breath...he is not aware of it and within a few minutes he is calmer and not doong whatever he was doing...

It has totally and completely amazed me!

Of course he is not perfect..lol..he is human and some of the stuff he does is just kid stuff too...but if I told you how he used to be..most of you probably would never believe that either...such a HUGE change!

I am so VERY VERY thankful to God and to Karenmont for sharing and teaching me this. Thank you!

Without writing a book ..the nutshell of it is, I was a Christian but I did not put God first in my life..I thought I could run my own life....I didn't understand how to let God run my life and I also was still doing sinnful things. The combination of what I was doing and not doing and my son's dad not a Christian at all had a HUGE impact, I believe on my son.

Now that I am God/Christ centered in my life..meaning I don't make a move, a desion without asking God first...things have really changed in our lives....but no amount of prayers, so much time spent weeping over my son and the hours spent researching his problems....(he has been dx with about everything under the sun..ADHD, ODD, bipolar, sciphrenia type behavior for the voices he was hearing and sometimes seeing things. SID and oh on and on and on...) No meds have stopped the rages, no amount of therapy, no social groups, ect have stopped them ....

Not even natural treatment was making much of a dent in it...

Until I learn this.

Sin is a cancer that affects us, our children, the world, nature and seeps into everything! in this world...even the smallest child.

It makes me extremely angry satan is going after our children like this and it makes me literally sick that as parents, our sins DO affect our children.

There is a bible verse about children turning on their parents...can someone post that for me? I think that verse applies to end times too. This parent board I told you about is just ONE of so many out there. These parents spend years trying to help their children only to see them just get worse and worse. These children grow up to break the law and we have seen many of the older and younger teens end up in jail or juvie hall for crimes they have done...or end up in RTC far from home because the parents can no longer control them at all. Its totally heartbreaking...

I feel so very very lucky.

God bless
Julie

[moonglow]

Because of my son's severe behavioral problems (better now though...) I have tons tons and tons of reading on many types of disorders..everything from ADHD, ODD, OCD, Bi-polar, scinzophrena, AS and on and on...I attended a NAMI workshopt last summer and learned quite a bit there too. I belong to a parent board with over 6,000 members from all over the world with children like mine.

NAMI...National Aliance for the Mentally Ill...work on protecting their rights and also helping in many areas too. In the workshop we went over about every mental illness a person could think of...and watched a film on it also. NAMI is trying to change the word "mental illness" now to brain disorders...much the same as '"heart disorders" the reason being they are now finding medical evidence for these mental illnesses.

Many of you may have seen the famous PET images of a normal person's brain compared to a person dx with scizophrenia..their brains are functionally difference and not fully functioning in many areas like ours are.

In a recent court case also a person who was dx with bipolar loss his medical insurance through work, the insurance company saying they don't cover mental illness...but he came in with drs showing MEDICAL proof of his brain disorder...so it was listed as a medical problem NOT a mental illness...

A dr does medical testing on a person with heart problems and can show through the tests how the heart is not working right...they can now do that with the brain. This goes beyond a dr asking the client a bunch of questions and then saying after a period of time that they have a chemical imbalance and here take this and see if it helps...

One of the problems with this type of 'guessing' is first it can take weeks if not months to see if a medication is going to help...adjusting the dosage ....stopping and/or weaning them off the med to try something esle...meanwhle the person also has to deal with sometimes terrible side effects...

Now they can do actual medical testing though its not common or widespread at all yet.

Now lets look at the flip side of things...

Lets say there is a person that very healty in every way but has an anger problem....over time the anger problem gets worse and worse...the person starts having chest pains (not actual heart problems though) stomach problems, headaches, can't sleep, ect ,ect....

He goes to the dr...the dr may or may not beable to find an actual physical problem YET...but studies are now showing that people who are tense, angry alot of the times, under undo stress, ect, ect WILL begin having lasting damage to their health if they don't get these problems under control.

On a website I have it shows the actual changes a brain goes through when having this type of rage/stress and so on...

They even show how a woman's brain actually changes while she is going through PMS!!

So this tells us emotions have a effects on the whole body...and can have a lasting effect...

A person with a serious mental illness that cannot control his thoughts/emotions also has an impact on his body too...

Sudden trama such as being in a terrible car accident, a house fire, being attacked, mugged, ect can cause post tramic stress disorder which causes an actual chemical change in the brain and IF left untreated will NOT change...

When a person is abused lets say as a young child...especially over many years or even just one really horrible time, it has a lasting effect on them.

You hear of people dealing with 'demon's from the past'...I think this is true, whether you believe in a literal demon or past horrors...they both impact the person I would think just as badly.

How many serial killers had wonderful childhoods? many started showing signs as children of something being wrong by abusing and toturing animals..then they worked their way up to people..

We don't live in a void...sin, being it here or in the past, effects someone.

We have people in my town that wander the streets day and night that are well know to have sizophrena...they are so out there that trying to even approach them is out of the question. Do you think these people could sit down and focus on reading a bible? Understand what you were saying to them at all? Its extremely doubful.

They DO need to be a safe place and on medication and therapy for a long time before they could even get to the point to understand what Christianty is about...let alone anything esle.

Its also very common for bipolar and scizophrenic people to hear the devil talking to them or hear demons or even see them...this seems to be very common among them..and it kind of makes you wonder why those things?

Of course you have those that think they hear God, or Jesus, ect...

For many many years drs have been 'guessing' about these mental illness and what meds word and what therapy works, ect..but they all seem to have alot in common as far as syptom...boy I wish I could spell. A bipolar person tends to focus on death and gore when depressed...I am God and can fly when manic...both very dangerous when out of control.

I am going to stop this post but I have more to say...just want to break it up some...

God bless
Julie

[moonglow]

Lets say you are with a patince in a mental health hospital..this person gets upset about something..tried to run off the unit...is stopped by the staff so begins punching and kicking them...and screaming..saying foul things like I am going to kill you! I am going to kill everyone! I hate you, $%&! and rants and raves and is totally out of control. So you see the staff take this person off to a quiet room and not they are not padded room...just plain concerte walls with a matteress on the floor and they are shut in their until they calm down...because they are hurting others.

The nurse observe this person looking around the room as if something was in there with him..and sees him talking to someone...later when she talks to him after he is calm he tells her he sees floating things in the air and hears hundreds and hundreds of demons talking to him and telling him bad things about himself and others...and they tell him to hurt himself and others.

He ended up here in this place for getting angry one day because someone got mad at him...and he got a knife and was going to stab himself.

He has a family history on one side of the family going back generation of drugs and drinking abuse..parents abusing the children and either losing them to the state or abandoning them. Scizophrenia and bipolar run on that side of the family and his great grand mother was once put in the state mental hospital and dx as insane..before they actually came up with names for these problems.

It would be so easy to say this person has inheriated a mental illness and very tragic also because he is sentences to a life of heavy (sometimes dangerous medications) therapy and nothing remotly close to a normal life.

So he is put on strong medication to try to control the hallications and the voilent outbrusts..they don't work..medication is changes...still they don't work...therapy continues..nothing really changes.

Lets clear up the picture a little here...lets say whenever this person raged he verbually attacked God..said things like I hate God and Jesus and I want to die and go to hell and help the devil kill people. When he was prayed over he would attack the person praying...any words about God or Jesus resulted it very voilent behavior and threats to kill that person praying...physcial attacks such as kicking, hitting, biting, scratching, spitting, ect, ect...

Then when the rage was over he would either cry or act as if nothing had happened...seem to not really remember anything..or much of it.

This person is not saved and says at one point when sobbing his heart out that Jesus can never come into him because the devil is already in him and if Jesus tried to come in, he would die.

When this person rages he totally changes...his eyes dilated, a horrible look comes over his face, he says extremely cruel and awful things all the while trying to hurt the person he is raging against.

Now lets add a little bit more to the picture to really clear things up....so you get the whole picture from all angles here.

This person is currently seven and a half years old and my son.

His rages began when he was still a baby under a year old. By the time he was three he was attacking other children and his dad...later he started attacking me also.

I was the one who was hit, kicked, bit, scratched, slapped, spit on and told how he would kill me then himself and anyone that tried to stop him. I was the one who he went after with a long thick pointed stick off a tree...I was the one he went after when he picked up a brick and said he was going to smash my head in.

I was the one who almost had my jaw dislocated by a head butt..had my fingers bend back to the point they almost broke...had the phone kicked out of my hands when I tried to call for help.

And it was just me he went after. He was kicked out of one school for attacking older students and it took four teachers to restrain him....something I do by myself...I was taught how to by his therapist to keep him safe and me safe.

yes his dad was abusive to him...mostly verbually and emotionally and phsycial abuse was starting. The history of drug and drinking abuse, phsycial and other abuses on the children and the mental illness go back generation on his dad's side of the family..something I was totally unaware of until two years ago.

He has been in a mental health hospital on the children's wing twice now...they did not help. They gave me davasting news and put Nate on heavy duty meds...none of it has helped. He has been in therapy since he was three and on meds since he was five.

The rages could come on very suddenly out of the blue. Things could be peacful one moment and the next I am on the floor with him restraining him and praying my heart out....nothing was working, not the prayers, not the meds...

And he was just like all these 6,000 plus children on the parent board I told you about..some are worse them him and some not quiet as bad...few ever get better..they only get worse.

As they get older they get into drugs and drinking and petty crimes...unwanted preganics, end up in treatment centers, residual treament centers, some in therapic foster homes..some in jail and some living on the streets high on drugs all the time. Some have beaten there parents, their brothers and sisters, have abused in many horrible ways their siblings and other children and they just get worse...

I was on this parent board for three years, trying diet changes as he does have food allergies, natural treatment, this med this therapy, read this parent book and on and on and on and nothing was changing...nothing.

It was to the point he was getting bigger and stronger and it would always throw my back out retraining him like this and trying to not get hurt..I knew one day I wouldn't beable to take care of him at home anymore...I was depersate for help. But I didn't know what to do...I even got a book on Spiritual Warfare for your children and read all the prayers in there and had him say them...nothing. just nothing but despair and blackness and never knowing when he would go off.

He went off on his grandparents once and they restrained him and heard the foulness coming from him during his rage...such terrible things that I cannot post on here...even my mom said its like he is possessed.

On the parent board sometimes when we get a new member they ask on the title of their post...is my child possessed by the devil or what?

These children can be so loving and sweet and wonderful...sitting in your lap while you read to them...funny and smart and just a normal happy child then it hits out of the blue...over silly things..they ran out of the kind of juice they liked and you didn't have anymore...someone looked at them wrong...the work in school was too hard...they didn't get enough sleep, the food they wanted, the sky wasn't purple when they woke up..doesn't really matter what...we all call it the 'look'..we talk about them going from Dr. Jerkle to Mr. Hyde...in a spilt second...

Another one of the awful things about this..whatever it is..is many times the parents are blamed for the child's problems...doesn't seem to matter the other kids are just fine...their parenting skills are attacked and they are humliated and told why can't you control your child and their self estem is dragged through the gutter.

These parents have also lost their kids to CPS because the child will call and say the parents are abusing them when in fact it the other way around..and the parents are not believed. Or the parents have to give up thier child to SRS in order for the child to get the treatment they need because it costs too much and the parents cannot afford it...they had sometimes on 48 hours about this not too long ago in fact.

Then the parents have no say so on medication, treatment,..anything and most of the time...at least on the parent board...any improvement does not last. The success stories are few and far in between.

I got burnt out on the parent board because none of the kids were getting better and its so awful to constantly read this terrible stories...Joey got kicked out of school today for attacking a teacher...Susan got arrested for breaking in the neighbors house...My preschooler was kicked out of preschool for throwing chairs...Tom raged today and punched me in the face..had to go to the ER....Tony is out of contol and we had to call 911...and post like this: When will it ever end? How much more can we take...out marriage is falling apart because of sues problems....John broke his brothers nose today I don't know what to do anymore....I am so depressed I can't go on living like this...how can I love him when I am afraid of him and he is only nine...and they go on and on like this day after day...

Oh and the meds post...there are constant too...Another med change..this med made sue sick ...Tom is throwing up cause of this med and the dr won't listen to me..Joe is having terrible headaches from this new meds...and mostly...its not working, its not working..its not working...:(

Until I came here and meant Karen my life was like this too ...then we talked and she helped me clean up my house first...get rid of some bad junk I had and reburk this ...things...call them evil spirit, demons...ghosts from the past, whatever...in Jesus Name I did and the rages got less and less and weaker and weaker and he has only had one rage in three months now...and usually summers are the worse because he thinks about his dad the most in the summer.

He is still talking alot about his dad but not raging! And I thank God so much for this blessing...call it what you will. His meds have not changed...nothing had changed except this. Nate does not know I do this...I am not standing on the coffee table acting like Moses in the Ten Commandments movie going...I reburk thee evil demons..and blah blah blah...

I quietly under my breath name the spirit I see..whether oppistions, defiance, angry, hate, bitterness, fear, rage, whatever and say begone in a whispter under my breath in Jesus Name and by the blood of Jesus and within minutes he is calming down...back to him self again...

I honestlly thought Karen was nuts when she told me to do this...I thought..you are nuts! I am not going to do this..plus I was worried about how my running around here and saying this to Nate everytime he acted up would affect him...but she said I could whisper it so I do...sometimes I turn my back on him, act like I am cleaning the kitchen or something and say it real quick and he is not aware of it at all.

When I first started doing it I felt really stupid to be honest. And silly and thought this is never going to work cause I have no confiences in what I am doing..but it did...because it is not by my power ( I have none) but by God's power that this is done.

I want you to know too that I didn't just take Karen's word for this...I went to the Lord after she told step by step what to do and surprising He told me to do what she said on this. I was what Lord? Are you sure? lol..then I thought...oh no, that isn't God saying that, that is some demon trying to trick me...but way would a demon want me to reburk it? Anyway I went forward on God's word the whole time thinking I had really lost it...boy I must be really desprate..well ...I was.

If painting the house purple and orange would have helped and God said do it...by that point...I would have done it.

I cannot tell you what is going on with Nate...no I dont think he is possessed by any demon but something sure was messing with him..and its not quiet over yet either. While the rages are under control..his fear and great anxiety are not...we are going to be working on that.

I would bet my left kidney...if back when he was hearing the voices and seeing things if they had done a PET san on his brain they would have found it all werided out...in fact I tried to get them to do it...I was tired of them 'guessing' on what was wrong with him...I wanted them to do a PET scan and say once in for all he had bipolar or the other one...something..so they could get him on the right meds and the right treatment...his symptoms always seemed to be changing too...just like all the kids on that parent board...the list of dx was just getting longer and longer and longer..everytime they tested him for something..sure enough he had it...talk about depressing.

So this is where we are today....what it is or was I suppose only God knows for sure. But I know I never imaged laying awake at night crying for my son, I never imaged the scratch marks and burses and sore back either...I never imaged my heart breaking over and over and over again...and I doubt I will never forget either though I wish I could.

God bless
Julie

[Sky]

Once upon a time I had a friend who had two sons, one, in his forties, not in and refusing The Lord, mentally sufficient to appropriately interact at least minimally with society albeit his drug and alcohol problems.

The other, younger, in The Lord, in his late twenties, diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic in treatment and on medication to the point he was able to hold a fast food job.

Mom and dad, advancing in years decided to sell their house in the big city and retire to the country. They footed the rent and utilities for the boys to move into their own place and continued to do so till the end of this little tale.

The older, never holding a job and his only means of income dealing drugs, immediately started scamming the younger brother for his minimal income bit by bit.

The younger, knowing the drug dealing and lascivious lifestyle wrong began, over a period of two months, to deteriorate to where he was hearing demons and would hide in the closet.

The younger and I had numerous conversations throughout this timeframe and it soon became evident what was happening was this was his way of rationalizing without being able to understand or stand up to the older brother what was happening around him.

He finally snapped and the police picked up late one cold December walking down the road with no clothes on totally oblivious to his surroundings talking about demons and the devil.

After months of inhouse therapy the parents took the younger brother back in and it's been almost four years now and enjoyed marked improvement and reasonably good life...up t a point...

The older brother finally got popped too many times for drugs and probation violation and got sent to prison, he played his cards "right" and played guitar for the prison church band and got out early for good behaviour convincing the parole board of his sincerity and conversion which, later, he admitted, as with so many others in his predicament, was just a scam to get out. He's back out, almost fifty now, living with his parents and brother continuing his previous lifestyle.

And the younger brothers mental-emotinal-spiritual state slowly and gradually is deteriorating with the renewed closeness to his brother...but, being the confirmed "crazy" the parents, for lack of better options, and cannot find it in them to say "no" to either of the sons just keep sending the younger to therapy and having his meds increased while the older gets deeper and deeper in his sin and abuse of his younger brother.

Now WHO is the REAL crazy here?

[moonglow]

Ok Sky, thanks for sharing...


God bless
Julie

[moonglow]

Cont:

But at the time when I meant Nate's dad about ten plus years ago now I was not putting God first in my life. God was apart of my life but not number one. I was still of the mind I could run my own life...do things my way you know? He said he was a Christian and believed in God and prayed but all his prayers were "I want prayers" like a Santa Clause wish list.

If I told you my ex's background of growing up abandoned and abused it would also break your heart...and I lied to myself that things would be ok...afterall I went through abuse too but I didn't take it out on other people....of course I had gotten help and he hadn't.

When it comes to believing, I mean really believing the Lord, actions speak louder then words and yet I was blind. So I married someone withouth asking the Lord first if this was the man for me...I messed up big time.

I owe it to Nate to hang in there.

I have lost alot of faith this this type of science..not just the head stuff but the regular MD drs also that couldn't even dx his allergies problems right or illnesses related to his allergies. I could tell you some MORE terrible stories when it comes to MD drs not to mention the head ones.

I DO like physical science as Dr. Roi points out it stays the same...certain things you can count on. If I jump up I will come right back down...never do I once in awhile just keep going up! But medical science when it comes to the mind and body are still huge guessing games because they simply don't know it all. But they ACT like they do and get angry if you dare question them...their words are not written in stone like they want everyone to think.

I have read up on so many different things from brain disfunctions to how food allergies can cross the blood brain barrier and affect a person's behavior and even ablity to learn causing learning disablities. I have read how a person can get leaky gut syndrom from eating foods they are allergic too and then developing yeast overgrowth problems. Read a book on a lady dx with scizophrenia that was 'cured' when her yeast overgrowth problem was treated...

Have read up on how all the dyes and chemcials they put in our foods affect our minds and bodies...how vaccination can cause austism, AS and other life long problems...

I have so much 'medical and psy' information swimming around in my head and NONE of it ever helped.

While things are much improved since the dark ages, science of any kind is still so far behind God is sad actually. Though some of it is amazing like the stuff Dr. Roi knows about ...but still in so many ways we are trying to use a little candle to light up a huge cavern to see the whole picture...I think we need a bigger candle..

God bless
Julie

[moonglow]

Right after Nathan was born...he was such a hard hard baby to calm down and I was getting very little sleep as he woke up so much too...he would cry until one in the morning every night...then only sleep two hours at a time..I was dead tired all the time and getting no support from my so called husband. And Nate got sick easily and then I would catch it and be trying to deal with him being even more cranky and me not feeling well too...it was awful.

At any rate...when he was still very very young...I started having intrusive thoughts of really bad things towards him..just coming into my mind out of the blue! They were horrible and I won't put them on here because even though I didn't feel they were my own thoughts, at the time I did...and the guilt and shame I felt is still with me to this day for these thoughts coming into my head.

Yes I was a Christian but a weak one...not putting God first in my life at this time.

These intrusive thoughts got so bad I went to my head shrink...had been on meds before Nate for depression and anxiety...and they thought I was suffering from post pardum depression..it got very bad though. And the dr also thought I had some obessive complusive thoughts going on too...though I never really had before...some but nothing like this!!

I was put on all kinds of medication and could barely function I was so dopped up! The side effects were always so bad and the meds rarely helped.

I dealt with these intrusive thought for several years though they got less intense as time went on...I am trying to remember excatly what I did to combat them cause the meds didn't help...therapy didn't help...nothing did...

I didn't know much of anything about demons or the devil just your commong stuff you read in the bible or hear in church...I certainly wasn't going to any delivance things...didn't know about them. At first I really thought it was me! And that I must be some kind of truly horrible person to think these things about a baby.

I reached out to God over it of course...and began fighting these thoughts on my own...since nothing esle was working. When they would come so strong in my mind and so suddenly they would usually take me off guard...so I just got myself ready for them and would block them...and I think...not totally sure cause its not something I like to recall...I think just in my mind I would say...shut up satan! and ingore it and go on with whatever I was doing...get back to my own thoughts before this came in...

As I said in time it got less and less and maybe every great once in awhile a thought (not nearly as strong either I might add) would pop in my head and I would just knock it away...

Now you saw my more recent post on the counsoling forum about an intrusive thought...this hasn't happened in a long time and this was is totally different then the ones I was having...

What I am trying to say is I didn't go through a bunch of elabonate things and get heavily involved in delievance things or do anything complicated or special to get rid of it...I simply relied on the Lord...and my own willingness to fight it off...

You can call it a demon or OCD or whatever....the common traditional therapy didn't work, meds didn't work so I went to the Lord whom I should have called on first.

Then several years later I started dealing with anger problems...I would blow over minor things..I was developing road rage...but getting so terribly angry it frightened me and it would happen so fast...

Again instead of relieing on the Lord, I went to a therapist...tried to talk about it...I think the anger was finally coming out over my ex and all the awful things he had done...but coming out in the wrong ways...

This guy put me on some med that made me so dizzy I couldn't function..that lated maybe three days and I had to stop taking it...not to mention he was a nut and too busy reading what was on his desk rather then listen to me...so I quick him too....and went back to the Lord over my anger...

He worked with me on it and together we were able to overcome it.....also found out I had hormone problems that was contribiting to it too....in which I use natual treatment to deal with, not meds.

I could say again this was a demon, or a demon from my past..I don't know...there is more I could talk about too of things I have overcome only with the Lord and long before I knew any of this stuff.


I never did any special prayers, or did any of this other stuff that you have talked about or had on those websites and things got better. Granted with Nathan that was a different story and I did have to go some things but nothing too complicated (all on my previous posts on here)...but for myself, not knowing anything other ways to go, this worked for me.

God bless
Julie

[moonglow]

Things I had to get rid of in my home that offended God...the story on that:

Well I HAD tons of Stephen King book...almost every one...I prayed over them and the only ones that were ok were his prison stories...not the horror ones that included ghost, phsyic powers, demon possessed cars or dogs, vampires, ect, ect...anything super natural...oh one I could keep was The Stand...

The Stand actually is about God and satan...through people..its syblomic...that one was ok...

King refers to God alot in his books...and struggles alot between good and evil but too much of the occult is in most of his books...I can onlyh pray he is leaning more towards God...he seems to be.

The others were Dean Koonz..more supernatural evil powers and or sick phsco that invent new ways of killing people...

Ann Rice...mostly vampires, witches, the occult..very heavy into the occult. You know I stood in line for three hours one time to get her authograph in one of her books....and I saw a group of people all dressed in black and really werid makeup....and STILL I didn't get it...dumb!

Of course I had a lot of her books too but after I read one about the devil where she made him sound like he got a raw deal when he was though out of heaven, I quit reading her...but my sister knew I liked these authors so kept buying them for me!

I had CD of some of the movies made from some of these books...OR I would rent the movie and record the music off of them...that was back when I was single and childless and had too much time on my hands...I rigged the stero to the VCR and taped the music off what I rented. I also taped MANY horror movies, vampires mostly..many Stephen King movies too...ghost houses, haunting, witch movies..ect...alot of alien movie too but then they kind of just keep repeating themselfs fo got bored with that. Werewolves, ScFi that bordered more on horror....

I outgrew the slasher movies of Friday the 13th and oh what was that other guy they just kept making movies about..with the mask too...lets see how many new ways we can kill teenagers!

The faky horror ones about werewolves, vampires, ect, didn't bother me too much, the ones that bothered me were the serial killer ones..oh yea..Silence of the Lambs...yuck. Read both books and saw the movies...the last one was beyond digusting! I had to force myself to read it...now why I did that...I don't know...stupid.

HellRaiser movies always gave me a very bad feeling in my chest...I didn't like them but watch them anyway...why? Cause everyone esle was...

The magazines were Cemetary Dance..another one was a Fanisty one that a friend order for me...that wasn't really my thing but I got them free and read them. I didn't think they were too bad, but the ads in them..fairies, dragons, dagor, swords, mid-evil type clothes...mmmm...wizards...warlocks, ect...not good stuff. Oh yea and tons of crystal balls.

I got the Twilight Zone magazines too ...those weren't too bad but the Lord said, chuck em...cause they did contain some bad stories and ads...gota watch those ads. Realms of fanicy...oh and some others I don't remember the names of that were really bad stuff...gruesome pictures on the outside and gruesome...I mean very sick sick stories inside...

The people who write this stuff...well kind of makes you wonder...ewwwwww. Nate would see the cover of one of them and get upset when he was little, I would grab it and hide it... should have dawned on me them, if my little boy can't look at some of the pics in my magazine then maybe they should not be in the house??? But no...never occured to me...

I would go to the big city where my sister's lived and go to the bookstore to get some of these magazine cause they didn't sell them here...to me I looked at it as a treat as I rarely spent money on myself and I loved to read...

Even some of the comic I had were not nice...and believe me I look every now and then and they have even more not nice comics out there...the pictures get in your head and there are images that stay there for many many years...

I can still clearly remember this one magazine I got as a kid...made up like a comic book...the images I should have never seen. Not sexual stuff...just really really sick stuff...can't put that on the board...you don't want it in your head ever!

And that was for children...

I hover over Nate on every book he looks at, everything he sees on TV and someday maybe I can explain to him why...

I got deeper and deeper into this stuff even though much of it was replusive to even me, I couldn't stop reading it...never occured to me to want to stop it...but then I quit buying those magazines and books...didn't have the money for one thing...but I would still check out horror novels at the library...but less and less though. I became more focused on my son's needs and researching things to help him..at the library and the net.

Then it got where the only time I got a new book was as presents...I still read them until the last few I got...

I think I got rid of at least three books, Kings and Rices that I never read...in fact I was already looking into spiritual warfare and put Ann Rice's books out in the garage...I didn't think Kings were bad and didn't really think about all the other stuff I had...like I said before, I was blind.

I never watched any horror movies in front of Nate and he didn't know what I was reading...but gradually I got more and more away from it all anyway. Now when I watch TV, which isnt' often except for the news which is scrarey enough I might add...and find a horror movie, my first thought is oh cool a scarey movie is on...(I know I know...thick skulled I guess) then I sit there watching for ten minutes (usually I have already seen it though) but if its new...I will watch for awhile then think...why am I watching this mindless gorey junk? And I change the channel..

The other thing I got rid of was a crytal ball, actually I think it was just colored glass....got it at the state fair in a both where they sell dragons necklaces and wizards and that stuff. It had three dolphins holding it up..I kept the dolphins...they were ok but got rid of the ball.

And there was one more thing...
It was a curfix necklace...no I was never Catholic...but there is story about this that I think is important...

At one time in my life I was very ill and I worn this necklace and put my faith in it rather then God...and the Lord told me how much that offended Him...so I put it in the trash...but a couple of days later before the trash was picked up, God said I could go get it back...He needed too see I would obey Him and not put something before Him....anyway I will explain more later.

Its NOT just the obvious 'bad things' we need to avoid...sometimes the very thing we think is harmless actually does the most harm...

God bless
Julie

[moonglow]

I guess I will finish talking to myself...lol...

I do want to point out while this thread is about demon influences...there is a flip side to this too...

In the little studying I have done there is a spiritual war going on all around us that we cannot see. Good things happen to that are unexplained...

For instance just awhile ago I was fixing left over for supper and Nate was out riding his bike...a 'thought' came into my mind that I needed to go check on him...he got a new bike yesertday (we had Christmas yesertday...another story...lol..a whole family events anyway) and its bigger then his old one. So I went out to check on him and was looking down the sidewalk and here he comes out of the garage...he had just got home and put his bike in there. He said he fell down and hurt his knee and looked like he was about to cry. His knee was just scratched up some but he was upset about it...

He said, I had to walk my bike all the way home by myself...awwww. So I helped him get in and he is eating supper now...(we just eat whenever on Sundays...have left overs).

All though his life even though I battle the 'bad thoughts' about him...I had many little warnings of when I needed to check on him...much more of those then the bad ones actually. I would be in the middle of cooking supper, or doing laundry, ...usually right in the middle of something and I would get either a feeling or urgent thought that I needed to check on him...and it NEVER failed I would get to him just before he got really hurt.

One time I was in the house on the phone with my mom and he was in an enclosed backyard...wooden privacy fence..couldn't get out..he was probably two at the time...I was going in and out checking on him while on the phone with her...I think I was cooking a meal so watching that too. Then suddenly I get this very urgent feeling to go check on him...so I quickly went outside thinking..there's nothing out here that could hurt him...boy was I wrong!

he was climbing up this slim piece of wood that had been put up for my mom's cat to go up and over this six foot privacy fence! Nate was on his hands and knees cliimbing up and almost half way up...below him was the grill and a cement sidewalk...that was a fall I didn't want to happen. I yelled and dropped the phone and went running...got him before he could fall.

There were so many of these unexplained things that I can't just write them off..and like I said, they still happen. He is watched out for...I think we all are..

There are always two sides to things so I didn't want us to all get too focused on the negative before I go on.

On the curifix necklace...long story on why this is important to me...it had nothing to do with any church or any people...I got it from an Indian peddling wares in Oklahoma when I was sixteen...for twenty bucks I think.

Later I used that necklace to reproduce it in clay that was fired then I painted it in gold...during the time I was in my room working on this cross...I was listening to the radio and playing Christian music on my record player...yea giving my age away...lol. They reported a whilwind going through town...traveling down the street and coming for our house. (this was a very small town by the way) our house was at the end of a road...my room was in the back of the house and I had patio doors leading out to a deck...my patio doors were open..I think it was spring time.

I was making this cross with Jesus on it for an art contest in school..and also I did have my faith. Well I got so hyper focused on working on this cross I barely noticed when the wind came into my room and literally picked up all my papers, trash and whatever and spun it around and around my room...I KNEW what is was and who was behind it...I just prayed and ingored it and kept working...I don't recall praying any thing special..and finally just as suddenly the wind died...and my cross with Jesus was finished...

Because of this I placed a special meaning in this necklace...I should have placed it in God though.

I rarely worn the curifix and only on special occasions....its very old...you can tell just by lookign at it.

Years later I develped a serizure disorder..yep I probably fix some of those accounts in the bible cause all testing showed no medical reason for my seizures.... I was having grand mal serizure and at first the drs thought they were real...and I was on tons of meds to control them...I could no longer work or even drive...

Then I got this dumb idea that if I worn that necklace it would remind me of God and I would be ok...well I was living in sin with a man...I wasn't excatly living a Godly life...and somehow I ended up putting my faith in that necklace and not God... Idol woship...though I didn't plan it and didn't realize it at the time either...then my faith in the necklace broke and the seizure came back...that is when I ended up going and have extensive testing done...no reason for any seizures it was all in my head they said...and said it was also common with certain types of abuse...

So I was taken off all of the meds and went home and never had a serizure again...but I was told even if I didn't have any more seizure if the root cause was not dealt with it would come out in some other physical way...which I refused to let happen. I still didn't realize what I had done concerning the cross.

I ended up leaving that man I was living with and moved back to my state and home and started over again...

It wasn't until Karen was saying to pray over things in my house to find out what I needed to get rid of did I discover the problem with the necklace. I hurt the Lord by placing my faith in it and not Him and offended Him...so I put it in the trash with the other stuff and begged for forgiveness. The other books, tapes, magazine and all didn't bother me near as much as hurting God with that necklace...that really made me feel terrible!

I put the necklace on top of all the garage bags with my horror junk in it..I thought maybe a trash man might want to give it to his wife ...the necklace itself was not bad..it was what I did with it that was a sin...

But then one morning when I was just waking up the Lord said I passed the test and could go get the necklace..I was uh? what? He was testing me...which I don't blame Him after what I did...to make sure I was really willing to give it up...it held alot of meaning for me...

I think this test was pretty minor compared to some other test in the bible you know! I felt very humbled going out to the dumpster to get it...I put it away and know now it may never hold the same feelings for me...which is probably good! It still carries some special stories with it...

So I am over my serizures for a long time now...never went to a delivance to get rid of them..never develped any other physical problems....things just keep getting better..

Concerning my son...while I rebuked evil spirits around him without him being aware of what I was doing...I got stuck with his huge anxiety/fear problems though...and in studying some scriptures for another post that someone put up...there is a verse where Jesus' follower were unable to cast out a certain demon in a child..Jesus was angry with them and then told them that this kind can only be done away through prayer and fasting.

So I prayed about it...if I should fast and pray for Nate to be rid of his terrible fears and anxieties and the Lord seemed to think that was the right thing to do...but I didn't know how I would do the fasting because of my low blood sugar problem (don't worry I was testing and have medical proof that is not all just in my head...)...I can't go more then two or three hours without eating...

Well to make a long story short (little late for that uh?) I did fast the other day WHILE working outside in 100 plus temp for five hours...don't worry I was dunking myself in the pool to keep cool. And I prayed of course while laboring and fasting and somehow it all worked.. Sometimes I can go longer without eating if I am working..werid...

I might not beable to fast for a whole day let alone days, but I did the best I could do...and I am noticing a change in Nate...he seems calmer...different somehow...I will keep you posted. And no, he has no clue I am doing these things...I don't want to frighten or confuse him as young as he is...

The main thing is its working by the grace of God.

God bless
Julie

[4Him]

God Bless you Julie:)

My heart goes out to you and your son. You sound like a wonderful person and mother. You have come so far..praise be to God.

I would love to hear more on praying over the things in our home etc...when you have the time.

I too have had moments when it flashed in my head..."Go and check" to find that one of my children were about to be hurt. God is amazing isn't He?

And I look forward to hearing more of your story your sharing.

In His love
Denise

[moonglow]

Thanks Denise but I am no one special...just God giving me a HUGE wake up call. I got myself into this...and through the grace of God He will see me through..:)

I have to ask..how long did it take you to read through all these posts? ;)

I don't do any special type prayers...I have read tons of special made prayers for this and that and spiritual warfare and well...they didn't do any good.

When I have a concern over lets say a toy or game or whatever that Nate wants...God just says, pray over it...so I do. Just make up something quick and simply...ask that any negative influences that might be there not bother Nate and begone in the Name of Jesus...

Takes less then a minute. I am not much for doing nice prayers like you see meipie do. I am short and sweet and too the point...BUT I spend ALOT of time just talking to God...just talking. If that is prayer...well then I guess you could say I pray alot..lol.

Its hard for me to even type prayers on here, cause I fumble around and want to make it sound good...but in my heart its usually just...

Lord watch over so and so and help them...

And that's about it...lol.

But I AWLAYS end my prayers with, 'in Jesus' Name I pray'...I do this because Jesus says, ask anything in my Name and it will be done..if its the will of the Father.

For me a prayer is not complete unless its ended that way.

I say the Lord's prayer to Nate everynight and then do an extra prayer for a good night's sleep and no bad dreams.

Nate has been plaged with horrible nightmares...alot of it due to his dad I am sure. Its getting better though..:D

God bless
Julie

[4Him]

I have to ask..how long did it take you to read through all these posts?

LOL well...about 25 minutes really...and I reread some..:)

I agree talking with God is praying. I found myself too, only praying when I "needed" something. Now I find myself praying for others, saying Thanks on a daily basis, praying about what I am concerned with...the list goes on. You know my gramma always use to say..."You can pray about anything, but never forget to say thank you to Him...even if the answers aren't what you want."

[wiseishe]

I"ve read some and have to say WOW, a major outlook for me :) I hope to get back and read more of them. So much to think about. :hmm:

[debidoot]

moonglow I came across your thread earlier in the day today and was immediately drawn to it, but I have a 15, 5 and 3 yr old and had to tend to them before I could get back to finish all the postings. My 15 yr old was dx with adhd when he was 5. they rx'd him with all kinds of great drugs then finally began rxs to combat the long bouts of depression that came as a result of the stimulants. And he too dealt with hearing voices, and seeing things and sensing things about people and situations. I did not recommit my life the Lord Jesus until last October, a year ago. Prior to that mine and my sons experience with Christianity was attending Church twice a year. So basically my son had no real exposure to the Lord and I failed in my responsibility to raise him up in the Lord's ways. His father was only in the picture untill Todd, my son, was 18 months when we divorced. He then did alot of in and out of his life stuff for the next 8 years, mostly due to his addiction to speed, and the fact he was in prison for 6 of that 8. When Todd was eight years old he through a chair in a class room and for the next two years he was placed in a self contained classroom about the size of a jail cell. Then he entered 5th grade and placed back into mainstream. It was at that time when all the rx were only producing the same types of moods and behavior that I has seen in his father when he was strung out on speed that I took Todd off meds completely. For the next 4 years I lied to school officials and told him he was on meds so they would continue to leave him in school. He progressed, and did well except for the occasional stress related outburst. That is untill my now husbands boss invited us to go to his Church. We went and were so moved and rocked by the teaching that my husband and I both surrendered our lives to the Lord that day. Everything changed in an instant for my then 14 year old son. The oppositional defiant behavior began again, the sudden rages, everything that I had seen in my son as a small child manifested all over again, you note I use the word manifest. I dont' believe this was only teenage rebelion, not the things I was witnessing. Even he will tell you that these incidences we have experienced in the last year are of an evil spiritual nature. He will fly into a rage over trivial stuff and blurt out obsenities and hit walls, trees, whatever is in the way, and then be baffled as to why he does it. The thing that scares him is when he is in the 'eye of the storm' the tormenting thoughts he hears, or at least the ones he has shared with me later are heartbreaking, things like I don't love him and I never wanted to have a child, and others so bizarre that they could only be coming from one source, the enemy. But the thing that baffles me is he knows that these things are on him and the only answer is Jesus, but he refuses to surrender. He says he is a teenager and if he commits his life to Christ he won't be able to have fun like normal teenagers. I have tried getting him involved in Church youth groups, but I believe these spirits tell him the kids don't like him. So he won't get involved.

You spoke about cleaning out your house and I did that over the summer cause it was pointed out to me that by having these things I was giving the demon spirits the right to be in my home and the Lord was faithful in leading me to everything in my home that needed to be removed. But in one room of my house, there was still a feeling of heaviness I could not discern. I prayed and fasted and I could not tell what it was. One night after my son had unusually attended my hunsband and mine's Life Group where the topic of Spiritual Warfare came up in the discussion, Todd came home and walked into the room I mentioned. He asked me if this was the room that I still sensed something in and I told him yes, he walked around the room once and then went straight to a brass platter that hung on the wall and said "this is the problem" He said he didn't know what it was that was off about it, but that it was this platter. we stood under that platter for a few seconds looking up at it and then like a shot he said look at the pattern on the rim, and sure enough in the pattern around the rim at the top was what looked to be the a face of something that looked as close to a demon as I have ever seen depicted. At that moment I took it down and threw it in to the trash can outside.
I want to know more about what I can do to help protect him from these tormenting spirits that seem to taunt him continually.

[moonglow]

debidoot...I am so sorry I never saw your post on here...:( I tried sending you an email a while back though. I hope you come back to the board so we can help.



God bless
Julie

[Momof5]

I am new to message board posting so please bear with with me:) I too, am very interested (should I say sometimes obsessed) with the spiritual warfare in our children. Is there such a thing as d*mons plaguing a young teen who has made a profession of faith in Jesus and in rational times, walks the walk? 3 of our children are adopted - five years ago. All three are fetal alcohol effected in some manner. They suffered neglect, insufficient housing, insufficient food, abuse, drugs & alcohol in the home, death of siblings, death of father, removal from their mother's custody, and then death of their mother. Brandon is now 14 and the rages and nightmares, being "talked to" in dreams, etc. began 2 years ago when "a little man in the dream told me to drive your car to Tulsa." He tried, in the middle of the night, drove about 25 miles before he crashed into an empty police car and a building. He only had bruises, mostly from the airbag! I regularly pray for God to hold my children in His arms and this most certainly was an answered prayer! To make a very long story short, his trouble with the law put him in counseling and with a psychiatrist who diagnosed him as fetal alcohol effect, post traumatic stress disorder, depression, and questionable bipolar, put him on Zoloft, but there has been no major benefit to meds or counseling. During his rages he is very physically strong. During one it took my 6'5" 310 pound 29 year old son to restrain him. He mocks, taunts, cusses, and facially, he looks different during these rages. I told him once I thought he was d*mon possessed and during the next rage he accused me of calling him S*tan which is not what I said. I have recently been convicted that I was trying to take care of it myself and not fully turning him over to God. The rages are less frequent but I still feel there is something more I am not doing. What types of things could still be in our home that shouldn't be? We are very careful with movies, books, literature, music, etc.

Thanks for listening.


Brenda

[karenmot]

Is there such a thing as d*mons plaguing a young teen who has made a profession of faith in Jesus and in rational times, walks the walk?
Hello Brenda,

To answer your question, yes. However, you say that you told him that you thought he was demon possessed. No, he is not possessed, but yes, he is definitely being bothered. There is a huge difference.

His behavior is most definitely caused by the demons that torment him. However, you are his spiritual covering, and can take authority over them in the name of Jesus.

I will send you a PM with more details. (You can read it by clicking on the words "Private Message" on the top right corner of the page).

Karen

[moonglow]

Hi Brenda, sorry I didn't see this sooner...been dealing with computer problems due to a virus...blah. I only hope this reply gets through too...:(

I agree with Karen on this. I know what you mean about how werid they look and act too when raging. Have seen it alot in my son. It is scarey! But you do have to be very careful about what you say to them, especially during a rage.

As far as stuff in your house; If you read through my whole post you will see it isn't just 'bad stuff' that can be a problem. But anything that at sometime in your life became more important then God, either to you or your son. You may need to have him go through his room...and pray over anything questionable in his room INCLUDING Christians items....crosses, pictures, ect....things that maybe he could be looking too for help or comfort rather then God. Also of course have him double check his music, what he reads, ect. Pray over these things and if he or you feel compelled to get rid of it, do so.

The problem with people is our flesh rules us and we get 'attached' to material items. Don't EVER put a material items above God in anyway. Even what appears to be a good thing, could be offensive to the Lord. Scriptrues say "My ways are not your ways. My thoughts are not your thoughts." We can't even 'second guess' what the Lord thinks.

As far as him hearing voices and having bad dreams you or the spiritual leader in the family...dad?....can just quietly rebuke those everyday. Like last night when I went to bed, I almost forgot to do this with my son. I just quickly wishpered, Begone evil spirits of nightmares and bad dreams in the Name of Jesus and by the blood of Jesus. It doesn't have to be a big deal or big production by any means. You don't need to say certain hour long prayers while shouting on the coffee table...;) I keep it very low keyed because my son is so very young.

I still feel silly telling people to do this, I really do...but it works and I can't stand to see people suffering when they may not need to either.

After you do all of this if he is still having problems (and he will just because of his background) but I mean major problems...I would do the fasting and prayer. There is a scripture when Jesus' discinples were unable to cast out a demon in a boy and Jesus said, this kind can only be gotten rid of by fasting and prayer. I will see if I can find that scriptures later.

Also in Job we see in the conversations between satan and the Lord, satan saying that the Lord put a hedge around Job to protect him. This is where I think people get the prayers about putting a hedge of protection around their family.

Also on my Christian radio station they talked about a testimony of a witch that used to abuse children very badly and she said the ONLY children she could not influences were those who were prayed over by their parents on a regular basis. I mean prayers of protecting them from occult influences, ect. So I try to remember to do that also with Nate. So much of that is in the world now. I mean I have to really watch even the cartoons he watches because they have so many with demons or witches or whatever in them now. Its very sad that they put that stuff in children's cartoons...and I know they have programs geared towards teenagers now promoting these same things.

So I think these types of prayers are extremely important too. I hope some of these ideas help. Post back soon and let us know how its going.

God bless
Julie

[czardoust]

I used to be on Zoloft myself for rages. I felt no lows but also no highs, just dead numb. And I still had periodic rages, just less frequent. It also ended up destroying my kidneys. I was changed to Celexa and Elavil and I'm much better! (Both physically and emotionally). If your son is fetal alcohol syn, you may take his kidneys and liver into consideration with the Zoloft. I'm bipolar,too. I also have Lupus and Fibromayalsia. Being bipolar isn't something to be ashamed of, no matter what the social stigma attached to it is. Its simply a result of childhood abuse. Love, Carolyn

[moonglow]

Hi czardoust...I have never heard of bipolar being caused by abuse actually. That is a new one on me. Bipolar is normally inheriated and if the parents are bipolar, one or both...then tend to do the abusing if not treated and many are not treated. That is why they turn to drugs and drinking to self medicate. Most people abused are dx with PTSD like her son is and usually depression and anxiety go hand in hand with that. Though with very severe abuse other even more serious mental illnesses can arise too...:(

My son was almost dx bipolar due to hearing and seeing things. Through spiritual warfare he no longer has those problems. :) So while he IS still on medication, its not the heavy duty stuff like he used to be on.

I did want to say Brenda to NOT expect spiritual warfare to solve ALL your son's problems...though of course the Lord can choose to heal him totally....He might not. While the oppesstion and influences are much better with my son and he was healed in some areas....he is certainly not totally healed. Even with continuing therapy and medication he is still considered disablity due to his problems.

Some of the things that were healed ...most of his food allergies which were a huge problem in his diet...finding something for him to eat that he didn't reacte to was very difficult. A reaction also set off rages...:(

Last year he was tested as having learning disabilites in reading, writing and math...now he seems to no longer be having problems in math..(werid).

He rarely rages now...very rarely...And PRAISE GOD for that!! That has been the biggest blessing of all of course.

His anxiety level has gone down enough for him to attend school and he went on an out of state vacation trip with grandma and grandpa last summer and going again this year.

Things we still struggle with:
He still will not join a sports team or boyscouts or anything like that. Going to church is very hard for him still....seems to struggle with being seperated from me at church, I think its because its not everyday so he can't get used to it. And right now we are church hunting so going to new churches...VERY stressful for him. :(

He still has a huge fear of abandonment...due to his dad leaving him alone when he was very young while he had him on visitations. :( He is very afraid of me going on and leaving him. He still sleeps on the floor in my room ...too afraid of sleeping in his own due to his dad telling him that if he slept in his own room a bad man would break in the window and get him and kill him. (I know...ex said some horrible things to him and I have no idea why)
He has to keep track of my where a abouts at all times....back to the fear of me leaving him...which I have never done...its just due to his dad.

Still goes through the cycles of nightmares too. Usually after awhile I forget about reburking and he will start having them...then be awake for hours and hours after he wakes up.

New situations and new people he still struggles with.

The Lord let me know through prayer these things are from his soul that need time for him to heal from. At this time God is not healing him, and I accept that. At a later date he may do so but for now giving Nate a stable home and love and attention and understanding WHY he does the things he does is the biggest thing in working towards his healing.

I also realize he may have to be on medication for the rest of his life too.

Please don't rule out meds for your son either Brenda. Usually the dr will tell you that not all meds work for everyone...its a trial thing you have to go through until you find one that works for you. Trama actually changes the chemcial imbalances in the brain and if the trama continues the change can be for good...only corrected or helped with medication.

I am sure spiritual warfare will certainly not hurt anything, but depending on the Lord wishes, it may not be a cure all either. Just keep that in mind.

God bless
Julie

[Momof5]

I thank all of you. I am certain this board will be a blessing to me - an extension of my church family, so to speak! I will continue to pray for my children daily (several times a day). Interestingly enough, last summer my children's biological grandmother found them and just showed up at their church camp without contacting us first. We tried allowing visits and phone calls and that is when we saw a heightened occurrence of rage episodes. She called yesterday and my husband told her there would be no visits or calls for awhile because this upset the 2 older children terribly, Brandon the worst. He told Brandon later what his decision was and Brandon seemed relieved! There is so much about the past that we don't know. My children (and husband) are Native American so there may be some "medicine" (sometimes like w*tchcraft) issues in his family history that we have no knowledge of. I have placed all of this in the Lord's hands because I believe in "casting my cares on Him since He cares for me." I already began praying over Brandon, his room, etc. He actually sat still and paid attention in church today which has not happened in several weeks. I know, that doesn't mean that tomorrow there won't be a rage, but it is a beginning. Again, thanks.


Brenda

[moonglow]

Glad to hear some desions were made and things went a bit better for you! When children are relieves to not be around someone...that is a big clue for sure!! Hang in there and post whenever you need anything. I will be keeping you all in my prayers.

God bless
Julie

[Dragonfly]

I'm sorry I am late in responding. Sounds like our sons could be identical. Right down to the age. Wow the similarities are astounding. Julie and Karen are right. I came to this board about a month ago and I've been going through the same things. I followed their instructions and immediately saw results, its scary that this could be happening to our children. We must always keep them before our Lord.

[moonglow]

Yea you are right Dragonfly..in fact I was getting you two stories mixed up because I thought I was rereading each one! It makes me VERY angry that these types of attacks even happen to children in the first place. Very angry. You think we sound bad...you ought to go visit the parent board I used to post on all the time with over 6,000 members now and ALL of them have kids doing these same kinds of things...ALL of them. Some have more then one child in the family doing this too. :( They are seeking help though through the secular world..through medication and therapist and drs and schools....which is not a bad thing...its just that most don't get better..they just get worse!!! A few do get better...but not too many. That is why I left and looked for something esle...I could see my son going down the same path as all of those other children and he was getting worse too. So why keep doing something that is not working???? Makes no sense to me...

And tonight on the evening news the FDA has now put out a warning on antidepressants in teens and children saying it could cause them to become suidical. :(

Nate is on buspar which is for depression and anxiety...:(


FDA Urges Caution Over Antidepressant Use
Mon Mar 22,



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Patients taking anti-depressants, including children and teenagers, should be closely monitored for signs of worsening depression and suicidal thoughts, U.S. health authorities said on Monday.


The warning comes after a panel of experts last month called on the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) to issue stronger warnings about the possible risks of suicidal behavior among children and teenagers taking antidepressant drugs.


U.S. health officials are studying whether antidepressants can make children and teenagers suicide-prone but have not yet reached a conclusion.


"It is not yet clear whether antidepressants contribute to the emergence of suicidal thinking and behavior," the FDA said in a statement.


Questions about a possible link with suicidal behavior arose last year when regulators were reviewing clinical trials of children who took GlaxoSmithKline Plc's Paxil.


The other antidepressants the FDA is evaluating include Forest Laboratories Inc.'s Celexa, Solvay's Luvox, Akzo Nobel's Remeron, Bristol-Myers Squibb's Serzone, Pfizer's Zoloft, Eli Lilly and Co.'s Prozac, and Wyeth's Effexor.


Only Prozac, sold generically as fluoxetine, is approved for treating pediatric depression.


The FDA advised patients and doctors watch for signs of hostility, anxiety, insomnia and other behaviors that could signal worsening depression and suicidal thoughts.


The agency asked manufacturers to change the labels of 10 drugs to include stronger warnings about patient monitoring

Yes...pray and pray and pray. I pray also for our Lord Jesus to come back soon!

God bless
Julie

[karenmot]

The reason that some kids and teens on anti-depressant drugs become suicidal is because they are not receiving any help for their real problems! The parents and doctors are hoping to alleviate their symptoms and change their behavior with a drug, without addressing the underlying causes for their depression.

No, Julie (and anyone else with a child on anti-depressants), I am not referring to you. You are doing the right thing -- giving him the anti-depressants to help him function day to day, AND seeking to help him with his real problem -- DEMONS! If the medication can help stabilize him while you seek deliverance, I say GREAT!

But the parents that you refer to on the parent board, Julie, and those referred to in that article you quoted, are seeking to medicate the demons away. It won't work. They will just turn up the heat until they can lead the young person to do something stupid and ruin their own lives and the lives of those around them -- like ending up in jail, or suicide, you name it.

Demons have only one goal in their dealings with humans - death and destruction. They hate us because we are made in the image and likeness of God, and they want to kill us. If they can't accomplish this, then they will settle for completely ruining our lives and making us ineffective for the kingdom of God.

I wanted to clarify something here in the public forum that I didn't make clear in my response earlier in the thread.

I told Brenda her that her son was not "possessed", but instead "bothered by demons". That is because the term "possessed " is not really accurate Biblically. The word that is translated as "possessed" in the New Testament is really better translated as "demonized". Yes, her son is "oppressed" by demons, and but not "possessed". I hate that term -- it brings to mind images of the movie "The Exorcist", which is not at all what real "demonization" is.

I have had to learn what I know about demons and how they operate the hard way -- by battling them myself! I found myself thrust into the trenches of spiritual warfare immediately after I got saved -- and everything I have learned over the past 22 years has been in the school of hard knocks! And I am still learning - I recently have learned some new things about how all of this works from an expert demonologist. And I am still fighting! It has been a long process to get free, for my husband and myself, and it ain't over yet! I am just really glad that some here have been helped by my sharing what I have learned so far.

Unlike Julie, who posts openly about her spiritual warfare, I have been too chicken I guess to post about this in too much detail in the open forum, for fear of getting slammed (many here do not believe that demons can bother Christians at all - I learned that the hard way when I first joined the board last year). Instead I usually just PM the person who needs and asks for help. But I guess I am seeing that there are probably some who would benefit from reading about this, so I will try to begin posting more about this in the public forum, and just get ready to duck if the flack starts flying!

Karen

[Momof5]

Thank you, Karen. I was hesitant to post also because I know the reaction I have gotten when I have approached this subject with people face-to-face. But, it is real, I live with it and deal with it, as do others by your posts. I truly believe that we are being attacked by S*tan through our children. I am learning more and more and you all have helped me see that I must "put on the whole armor of God." In the last couple of days there has been peace in our home. God has shown my husband that he must fight this battle as well and take a much more active role in this son's life which is difficult because our son has deep attachment issues and pushes us away when we get too close. From what I am learning this is common in children who were adopted at an older age. S*tan does not like it because my family members have all come to Christ now - 9 year old this past summer, and I agree with you, Karen, these attacks are to destroy our peace and kill our joy and make us ineffective for service for the Kingdom of God. Anyway, we have many issues to deal with but this one is the heart of the matter. I will continue with meds and counseling as well. Now I am rambling....sorry!


Brenda

[Dragonfly]

you couldn't be more right Karen. I knew I was in a spiritual battle and fighting demons and came here seeking confirmation and someone with whom I could relate to. I get the "ole your crazy" look from people in real life, even my own dh. I thank God that Julie had the guts to post about it in public and has helped me immensly, I thank God for your advice in the PM as well. I think we really need to post about it in public so others may be helped with it. I don't mind the flaking, I'm ready to deal with that. especially if one parent and child could be helped by it. The results are amazing with Stephen and my house has been so much calmer since he's been back home. I have even been calmer, and have been whispering a lot. :lol: Found myself whipering to my 2 yr old son after he had mad me really upset and I was highly stressed I bent over and whispered "If you get in that pool, Mommy's going to put you in time out and you won't be allowed back outside"

The reaction was hilarious. He was stunned, cause he's used to mommy yelling :lol:

[moonglow]

Well gee, I am slow...I just now saw these posts...always a day late and a dollar short you know.. :lol:

Well everyone knows I am nuts, so they just ingore me..;)

The sad thing is while we might take some flak...the parents on that other parent board are constantly blamed for thier children's behavior. Even if the child is some where esle...at school...where ever. They are put down all the time and people think they and their children are nuts so why worry about it and do what you have to do!

There are some times when I do a rebuke...again without Nate knowing...that nothing changes in his behavior. At first I was puzzled by this, then realized it was just HIM, being a KID! It was difficult for me to figure this out at first because MOST things he did were just so extreme....that I didn't know what 'normal childhood' behavior was! I really didn't! I had lived with such outrageous behavior for so long...that when I FINALLY found something that worked I guess I thought it would work with everything! :lol:

Kids do mess up all by themselves I found out...lol. And kids do bad things all by themselves. I tell you I see the sin nature very glarely in Nate...that is in all of us...but I see it more in him because he is a child and more blanate about it. Children are self center and selfish and have to learn to think about others.

Unless you have one of things really sweet loveable kids that I think are really aliens from other planets...that always say Thank you and please and can I help you with that? That pick up their toys without being asked...ect, ect. The FEW times in my life I have seen a child like that, I KNEW something was terriblly wrong! That just isn't normal! :lol:

My son is a slob...rude, crude and has stinky feet. He leaves dirty clothes an cups sitting around and snack food and toys and tacks in dirt and mud and frogs and oh brought home a snake the other day....oh joy! I wish rebuking worked on stuff like this..;)

Oh but I love him...I am not making light of any of this as I am sure you know...its just I am SO HAPPY to have a much more normal child that does these things!!!

Rather then a coming home in a rage, trashing the house, saying horrible things about God and Jesus, saying he wants to die and help the devil, flipping over the coffee table, slamming his head into doors, kicking a pet, screaming, cursing, spraying cleaning stuff in my face, saying he is going to cut my head off, running to get a knife or foke before I can get their, and that awful, awful, dark look in his eyes....

I don't miss that. I don't miss living in fear wondering when the next rage will come and will I be strong enough to handle it. I don't miss my back being in extreme pain for weeks after having to restrain him. I don't miss trips to the hospital, or drs telling him he might be sizo, I don't miss living in hell one little bit....

Sure I gripe about his messes and all, but he is a boy...I would rather holler at him about watching when he crosses the street rather then hollering for help...

Only those that have been through this have any idea of what its like. Its like being in another reality...watching your own child seemlying go insane...then later after its over, acting like nothing happened while you are still reeling...from the blows with both the words and the fists.

That is the heartache I see on that parent board too...no one understands what they are going through but other parents in the same situation. I can't hardly go over there anymore and see the heartache and constant pain and turmoil they live in. Yet they won't be open to finding something that works....:( That is like throwing a rope to drowning people and having them refuse saying...oh I can tread water a little longer....I don't need that rope...

I can't hardly bare it...watching them drown and being unable to save them.

Gee I am making myself depressed here and Nate is home from playing and hunger so I better get off.

I am so glad a few people have discovered Jesus IS the way! :D

God bless
Julie

[Dragonfly]

I can truley say that since Stephen has been home, it's been a week today, he hasn't had any breakouts. I have read the bible with him, I pray for him more than before and I have rebuked spirits when I sense something is coming up from his behavior and he calms right down and is that loveable boy I know he is. To be honest I was skeptical at first because I would have thought that laying of hands and loudly praying and rebuking would be better but I think it would hurt my son's self image. This works just fine. I thank God that he led me to this board and to meet Julie and Karen!

[karenmot]

My son is a slob...rude, crude and has stinky feet. He leaves dirty clothes an cups sitting around and snack food and toys and tacks in dirt and mud and frogs and oh brought home a snake the other day....oh joy! I wish rebuking worked on stuff like this..;) Sounds like my boys - they are 12, 10, 8 and 6. Multiply that by 4, and that's my house. The other day one of the little darlings had a bunch of little nails in their jeans pocket and my daughter Sarah (15) didn't think to check them before she put them in the washer, and guess what? The washer started making a really nice noise -- and my other daughter Becky (13) and I got to pick all of the nails out of the bottom of the washer. Today they brought home a turtle (pretty good sized), a frog. Plus a crawdad which they thought they were going to cook and eat (yuck! I said no.). That's better than the snake they brought home the other day that had recently swallowed a squirrel whole and had a big bulge in it's stomach. They said they were keeping it for one of their friends because his mom wouldn't let him keep it. What made them think I would let them keep it either?? My 18 yr old son took it out in the woods far away from the house and let it go. Boys are a lot of fun.

The other stuuff - the rages, etc., I have never experienced on the level that you have. My 10 yr old son Ben used to scream and yell uncontrollably for hours, completely inconsolable, about the littlest things, and sometimes he got really angry and pounded the walls, but he never tried to hurt himself or anyone else. He is the one that had real bad rejection since before he was born - (a long story) - and it has been a long haul to break the hold of that rejection in his life. All of our kids were conceived back when Daddy was "old Daddy", (except little Rachel who's 5), before he was miraculuosly changed by the Lord in 1997 (another long story), so some of them are still dealing with the effects of that time (my husband was a very different man and we lived a very different life back then. He was never physically abusive, but he was VERY difficult to live with -- that's the best way I can explain it without speaking against him, which I will not do.)

Anyway, Julie, I cannot even imagine the nightmare that you had to live through, but thank God the worst seems to be over. And you and I are both learning together about how to really fight and win in the spiritual realm -- I don't post openly about my battles, but I have some serious stuff that still plagues me and my husband and kids. Everything I post about demons and rebuking, etc. I have learned by doing -- and I am far from having all the answers yet. But after I first joined the board, and read your story , Julie, it was obvious to me that you had to take authority over those demons. I really hesitated to say anything since I was new to the board and you were a big time moderator, and I feared that you'd think I was a lunatic and get me banned! But the Lord kept poking at me "Tell her! Tell her!", so I PMed you. The rest is history. Now you are the champion of spiritual warfare on the board. I think it's great!

I expect to hear many more success stories from the others we are sharing this with. Isn't God good??

Karen

[moonglow]

hehe Karen, I thought I PM'd you first! I was following you around the board because you kept dropping hints about SW but wouldn't come right out and say anything...and well...I had tried everything esle! Oh well I guess it doesn't matter who PM'd who...and you got to be a 'big time' moderator too... :lol:

That is hard work for sure! That is why I go stand up for the mods whenever I see anyone bugging them or complaining too. Its a hard job. Its rewarding for sure...but I really had too many other stresses in my life too at the time. While Nate IS a thousands times better, he still has some pretty big issues to deal with for sure...

One thing I have noticed on one of his meds..the clondine, he is needing less and less of that. It helps with ADHD and rages, oppoistional behavior, ect...so when his anxiety attacks kick in he doesn't go off the deep end and have things get so extreme...though I have to say it was NOT working until I started the spiritual warfare! mmmm....anyway he still appeared to need it somewhat...especially with sleep and with his ADHD..being able to focus better. He cannot take the regular ADHD stuff...he is either allergic or it increases his anxiety...found that out the hard way too. :(

Anyway if he gets too much (more then he needs) of the clonidene, it actually backfires and MAKES him very nasty! Like he used to be. ALL medications can cause what they are suppose to help! You will read that on all side effect labels if they are detailed....I usually look on the net, because what you get from the dr is vague and doesn't list them all.

He is down to 1/8 of a tablet of clondine in the afternoon and suppose to be 1/4 in the evening...but I am finding if I give him that whole 1/4 that he can't wake up in the morning..he is sleeping 12 hours or more plus he is VERY nasty and cranky...and I know its the med, he has been on it long enough I know the signs of when he is getting too much. So next time we go in to his pdoc, I am going to tell her he isn't toleranting that dosage anymore and it needs to be lowered.

Right now at school he is literally just taking a crumb in the afternoon plus his buspar. And I know they wonder how that tiny bit can help him but I think it is...he is like me and very senitive to meds, doesn't need alot. Like I take a nasal decongenstant for my allergies...I have to cut a pill in half, then cut that half in half...so its about 1/4...and that is plenty for me. The directions say to take two a day! If I took two whole pills I would be shaking so bad and I wouldn't sleep for several days either! Can't handle it.

Anyway if he wasn't going through testing on his learning disablity at school right now I would see if he could handle not having that afternoon crumb...but since he freaked out a couple of weeks at school and ran out of the school...in which the police had to be called...sigh...I think he better stick with it right now.

I am happy to say, other then just one other problem this year at school (he had the sub teacher chasing him around the round computer table at school one day because he refused to go sit down like she told him too), he is doing pretty good!

Oh Karen..about your boys! No wonder you guys vacum what did you say? three or four times a day?! ha! I do good getting vacuming done once a week! lol. In which today I did vacum, but not the bedrooms yet. Nate's room is such a destastor I need to spend an hour or two or three, just going through THAT mess! oh joy!

Oh yea I cleaned out the fish pond in the backyard today and discovered Nate's perch he caught one year, had died. It was too little to really keep...he wanted me to cook it for supper! lol I said oh yea right...get MAYBE two bites of meat off of that tiny thing...but he didn't want to let it go, so we put it in our gold fish pond. I think we've had it a year or two? can't remember...anyway he didn't make it through the winter this time....poor thing.

I couldn't image having that many boys in the house! I would be pulling my hair out! (I know about nails in the washing machine too.. :lol: )

God bless
Julie

[karenmot]

...and you got to be a 'big time' moderator too... :lol:

That is hard work for sure! That is why I go stand up for the mods whenever I see anyone bugging them or complaining too. Its a hard job. Its rewarding for sure...but I really had too many other stresses in my life too at the time.I agree, being a mod is extremely hard work. That is why I try to support them in any way I can. As you know I quit abruptly because I let a member who is now on ice get to me, and then I left the board for 3 months. I now greatly regret this, and wish I hadn't quit. I miss being a mod. It was hard, but it was a lot of fun. But what's done is done.

[Candi]

(((waves)))


Stormie Omartian has a book called "The Power of a Praying Parent" that is really good. You can purchase it on amazon or walmart online for I think 8 dollars....well worth it.


I don't have scriptures to back this up right now...but everyday while my kids are at the bus stop I "plead" the Blood of Jesus over them...and a couple times a year I pray over some olive oil asking God to annoint it and then I sprinkle it all around our property line. Kinda like being symbolic to the blood of Jesus....
I have a book called "The Blood and the Glory" by Billye Brim that is really good and talks about the power of the blood of Jesus, and how we as believers can use this blood to overcome the enemy, protect our family, protect our property line, and to maintain victory.

disclaimer: I'm not saying it's the real blood of Jesus....it's a point of contact for our faith. We apply it by faith.

Remember the blood applied upon the doorposts of the Israelites? Exodus 12:13

[Dragonfly]

I use annointed olive oil as well. I place a cross on Steven's door and the front door. My MIL has told me to place a drop or two in DH's shoes as we intermittengly have marital problems.

[AlwaysAmazed]

All I can say is wow. I can definately relate to some of your story. Especially the part about the bad thoughts. I used to have them too. They were so awful I wouldn't even know how to begin to post them. And it's a vicious cycle too. Bad thought=guilt=even deeper depression. It can become very hard to escape. I shudder everytime I think about it. I'm glad to see that God has helped you ta calm your son's rages. :) I didn't know that the demons plagued children just as they do adults. This has made me realize that I need to pray for my son more. Thanks for sharing your story Moonglow. Very encouraging.

[moonglow]

Well I have to confess I have done this too with the oil....but I honestly did not know what I was doing or why...well I knew...but I would like to have some scriptures on this if anyone knows of any??? See Karen, on the SW, was able to give me scriptures..plus I did my own research before starting this..using the bible ONLY...I had already read books on it that had tons of 'strange' prayers in them...that I had tried and it had not worked. So I am convinced (even though this book on SW for children did give scriptures)...I am convinced I need to just stick with the bible only.

I have not studied annointing or the oil because none of the churches I ever attended really explained it. I feel embarassed but I don't even know why it was important when that lady poured oil on Jesus' head. :blush: I wouldn't like someone pouring oil in my hair! It would take weeks to get out...lol.

I realize its something important, but I don't know what it is...or why we should put oil over doorways and windows and stuff...

So if someone could enlighten me??? I am still a skeptic I guess on some things...

I mean Karen could have NEVER EVER Talked me into even trying SW if she had tried too on her own. But she didn't push...just gave me the facts...some scriptures and told me to pray about it. So I did...well when the Lord Himself says, she is right, do what she says....well I couldn't deny it then...lol. Well I could have but that would have been stupid... :lol:

So someone explain the oil stuff PLEASE!!!

God bless
Julie

[moonglow]

Glad I could help, AlwaysAmazed. Yes I had HORRIBLE intrusive thoughts about hurting Nate when he was a baby...its extremely embarassing...but yet I feel that I was doing it myself. They would come out of the blue and 'intrude' in my thinking. I was under a head shrinks care so when I told him, he said I was having obessive complusive thoughts and put me on more medication. :( I even spend a few days in the wonderful mental health hospital again...:(

Nothing helped though...I didn't know what was happening but I fought them fiercely and finally learned to block them...I was still fighting them off and on when he was around three years old too! :(:(

If I knew then what I know now I could have probably just said Jesus outloud and they would have stopped alot sooner! But I didn't know...

Some of the thoughts that came into my head...well ok most of them...were just gruesome too and I really had no one to talk to about it. I was told I had post pardurm depresson...yea, well three years later?? :confused: blah. It reall makes me wonder about the mom's that do hurt their babies though...if the same thing was happening to them and they didn't know how to stop it. :(

God bless
Julie

[Momof5]

Moonglow, the one scripture that come to mind about the woman pouring the expensive oil on Jesus' head is Mark 14:8 She hath done what she could: she is come aforehand to anoint my body to the burying.

Also in studying in the Old Testament, I take anointing with oil to mean being set apart for service to God. Exodus 30: 22-23 gave the instructions for the anointing oil for the priests.

[AlwaysAmazed]

Yep I totally understand. I was on meds too. But they didn't help either. All it did was just dope me up. It got so bad that they told me the next time I had one of those thoughts to go straight to the emergency room. So I guess I was on the verge of being committed. Who knows.

It's kind of hard to understand. I don't understand why I would have had those kind of thoughts either. I mean I had this beautiful baby in my arms...and then BAM. Another ugly thought. :( It does make me think about those poor women who get so bad that they actually harm themselves or their children because they aren't in the right frame of mind. I know I wasn't. I can sympathize with their situation.

Yeah but like you said if you knew then what you know now...feel the same way. Ever since I've been saved though; I haven't had any horrible thoughts. Thank God. God bless.

[Ta-An]

I use annointed olive oil as well. I place a cross on Steven's door and the front door. My MIL has told me to place a drop or two in DH's shoes as we intermittengly have marital problems.Guys as long as you remember, the power is in what it represents, not in the oil itself :) pray and prayer!!! now that is what works,,,, some knee duty is what is needed :pray:

[Momof5]

Amen!!! I totally agree.

[moonglow]

Hey ACCM you are so right...

ACCM I have a question for you...you know about the oil...I have seen post from you about using it before. Could you explain it to me please? I would greatly appeicate it....

God bless
Julie

[moonglow]

AlwaysAmazed, I am so glad you got saved and the problem went away... :hug:

I fully believe that Jesus defeated the devil at the cross...what we are dealing with now are like left over snipers from the war...kind of like what we see happening in Iraq...:( Of course satan, through the antichrist, is going to have to do one last stand...:( then he will be cast away for good. As long as we have Jesus in us, we have won too, through Him. Sometimes figuring out what to do though, isn't easy...

I fully believe all the 'power' of this is only through Jesus' Name...I don't think its us. Without Jesus, we don't stand a chance.

Ephesians 6


13 Use every piece of God’s armor to resist the enemy in the time
of evil, so that after the battle you will stil be standing firm.

14 Stand your ground, putting on the sturdy belt of truth and
body armor of God’s righteousness. 15 For shoes, put on the peace
that comes from the Good News, so that you wil be fully prepared.

16 In every battle you will need faith as your shield to stop the
fiery arrows aimed at you by Satan.

17 Put on salvation as your
helmet, and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of
God.

18 Pray at all times and on every occasion in the power of
the Holy Spirit. Stay alert and be persistent in your prayers for
all Christians everywhere.

God bless
Julie

[Ta-An]

Hey ACCM you are so right...

ACCM I have a question for you...you know about the oil...I have seen post from you about using it before. Could you explain it to me please? I would greatly appeicate it....

God bless
JulieAs we look at the OT, we see the use of oil for anointing... this oil was obtained from the Olive tree and set apart for holy use. Exodus and Leviticus explains how anointing was /is done.

Ex 30:25 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=King James Version&BOOK=2&CHAP=30&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=25) And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil.

Lev 8:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=King James Version&BOOK=3&CHAP=8&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) And Moses took the anointing oil, and anointed the tabernacle and all that was therein, and sanctified them.

Lev 8:12 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=King James Version&BOOK=3&CHAP=8&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=12) And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.

Lev 14:26 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=King James Version&BOOK=3&CHAP=14&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=26) And the priest shall pour of the oil into the palm of his own left hand:
27 And the priest shall sprinkle with his right finger some of the oil that is in his left hand seven times before the LORD:
28 And the priest shall put of the oil that is in his hand upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot, upon the place of the blood of the trespass offering:
29 And the rest of the oil that is in the priest's hand he shall put upon the head of him that is to be cleansed, to make an atonement for him before the LORD.


Mt 25:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=King James Version&BOOK=40&CHAP=25&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Now here in the NT, we read the story of the wise and foolish maidens with oil for their lamps...yes it can refer to the physical, but it also refers to the spiritual. The light inside of us depends on the oil we have in us ..... our relationship with G_d.

Rom 11:17 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=King James Version&BOOK=45&CHAP=11&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=17) And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Rom 11:24 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=King James Version&BOOK=45&CHAP=11&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=24) For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
These verses refer to us a wild olive branches grafted into the OLIVETREE

We sing : Anointing fall on me..... this all speaks of the presence of G_d with us..... we do know that His presence is through the Holy Spirit......Thus when we anoint a room, a person we do it with oil that has been concecrated ...(set apart for Holy use.) we ask for the presence (protection / sanctification) of G_d through His Holy Spirit.....

So How do I do it???
I do have Olive oil set apart that I use for anointing (some from the Holy Land, but you can have normal oil that you pray over and concecrate for holy use.)
All anointing goes hand in hand with prayer....ex...L_rd, this oil that is set apart for Holy use, that is a symbol of your HolySpirit with us, I use to anoint....... for sanctification. May Your protection be on......and may your presence dwell with them. (Or for whatever the reason,,,, healing mostly)

[karenmot]

I fully believe that Jesus defeated the devil at the cross...what we are dealing with now are like left over snipers from the war...kind of like what we see happening in Iraq...Julie, I love your analogy. That describes it perfectly.

Also have one of my own, that the Lord showed me several years ago when I was in the midst of some real bad stuff (no details). I thought I was an expert at spiritual warfare (HAH! :P ). This was back in 1992 or so (during the time of Operation Desert Storm). The Lord showed me that what I was doing in the name of spiritual warfare was much like a soldier on a battlefield who is pretty good at dodging bullets, bombs, etc. from the enemy. He may even be so good that he can even predict where they are going to shoot from so that he can duck or hide when the shoot. The mind picture I got at the time was a soldier on a battlefield, and enemy planes overhead dropping bombs. The soldier is dodging and weaving around the battlefield, looking up at the sky carefully watching the airplanes, running back and forth escaping being hit.

The Lord told me that that was what I was doing in the name of spiritual warfare - avoiding being hit. And He told me that that was not real spiritual warfare -- that instead I should take away their bullets.

That is what I have been attempting to do. This goes along with what we have been discussing, Julie - closing the doors. Take away whatever right they have to torment.

[moonglow]

ACCM thank you so much for that information...that gives me something to go on. I have some oil set aside that I bought special for this and prayed over too of course. :) I will study up on the verses you post. :hug:


Yea Karen...;) Me working on closing doors... :pray:

God bless
Julie

[Ta-An]

ACCM thank you so much for that information...that gives me something to go on. I have some oil set aside that I bought special for this and prayed over too of course. :) I will study up on the verses you post. :hug:

Julie:kiss: King James Version Psalms 133

1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.

I love this Psalm on anointment!!! The fullness of joy in the L_rd!!

[Dragonfly]

ACCM praise and prayers are always done when I pick up my bottle of Oil and use it.

I love the analogies. So very true Karen. For it is said in the bible that we have power to cast out demons not to dodge them.

I ashamedly have also had awful thoughts after my twins were born. Awlful awlful thoughts that I would never talk to anyone about because I didn't want to lose my kids. However, that was when I fell out of step with God and backslided. I think about it now and it really hurts but then I know it was a trick of the devil. However Julie, I am probably wrong here but I would think that people have to have faith in God in order for it to work for them.

[moonglow]

Yes you are right Dragonfly..you have to have faith in Jesus in order for this to work. When I was dealing with the bad thoughts with Nate when he was a baby, I was seriously a back sliden Christians....actually am not sure I was really even saved then...since I did not put God first in my life...or I was one of these people that would 'barely' make it to Heaven..:(

So I didn't have much protection then...I just battled it on my own. Probably why it went on for so long too...:(

[AlwaysAmazed]

I totally agree with you both Moonglow and Dragonfly. I think..no as a matter of fact I know that the only way I got over those thoughts was with the help of Jesus. I'm so glad He touched my heart. If it wasn't for Him; who knows where I'd be right now... :hug: to both of you..it's encouraging to see that I'm not the only one who went through this and conquered it. I had no one to talk to either. I felt very very alone. :hug:

[Dragonfly]

it is my belief that even the reichtchous (sp?) scarecly make it through. You can't be a "sometimes" Christian. I may be wrong here though.

[SammeyDW]

Dragonfly I'm not sure what you mean by ' "sometimes" Christian' , this problably should be strateforward but I have heard so many defentions for this, I would like to know where you are coming from.

[SammeyDW]

It angers me too that our children have been 'dragged' into this war. I was reflecting on that last night and it 'occurred' to me that the 'Father of Lies' attacks us in similar way as to that he attacks Christ. In other words he wants to hurt us as much as possible, so he attacks / destroys / etc. the thing that is most vulnerable and precious to us, our children.

Someone in my church said, “Christ won the war, now ’The Father of Lies’ is just seeing how many he can drag down with him, and how ineffective he can make God’s people. ”


Above all remember, through Christ we can ( is our will his? ) win the battle, for the war has already been won!

[Dragonfly]

Sammey, that is a term I have heard many use, though it may not be the same definition as I take it as, my definition of it is a person who goes to church and professes with their mouths to believe in God, and to all outwards appearances it looks as if they are upright Chrisitians, but then when they get away from their church family the commit almost every sin there is, and 2) a person who knowingly leaves church service and purposedily commiting a sin, knowing its against God, because they believe as long as they go to church Sunday and ask God for forgiveness, they will be forgiven That is my definition of a "sometimes" Christian. I believe if you are a true Christian you should let you light shine so that all the world can see, you wouldn't have to even open your mouth for someone to suspect you are a christian.

Now this is NOT to be confused with a backslider. There is a scripture in the bible where God says he is married to the backslider. Falling out of sinc with God, is not purposely sleeping with your neighbors wife.

Does that make any sense? Or did I confuse things more?

[SammeyDW]

Yes it does make sence. And I would add that I maybe wrong here but according to your definition that many that fit 2) may not be Righteous. ( I'm not sure about #1 though )

The only truely Righteous are 24 / 356 children of Christ.
We may sin / backslide, but we don't feel good about it and Truely repent.

ex. 24 / 356 Christains don't go 'red light district - Church - red light - Church - etc. '


24 / 356 Christains put up a fight, when Satan attacks , the rest don't bother / half - harted.

Am I confusing or is someone understanding me?

[moonglow]

Yes it does make sence. And I would add that I maybe wrong here but according to your definition that many that fit 2) may not be Righteous. ( I'm not sure about #1 though )

The only truely Righteous are 24 / 356 children of Christ.
We may sin / backslide, but we don't feel good about it and Truely repent.

ex. 24 / 356 Christains don't go 'red light district - Church - red light - Church - etc. '


24 / 356 Christains put up a fight, when Satan attacks , the rest don't bother / half - harted.

Am I confusing or is someone understanding me?

uh??? What are the numbers for?? I am lost...sorry...

[SammeyDW]

I was taught that True children of Christ 'talk the talk, walk the walk, fight the fight, etc. ' 24 hours a day , 356 days a year, not just 'when they feel like it'.

[moonglow]

Must be why I am so tired all the time...;)

Oh yes I totally agree! And Dragonfly is right...there are alot of so called Christians...that pertend on Sundays...and do whatever the rest of the time. Or people who think they are Christians by being 'good enough'..but really do not know Jesus...not really. I use to be one of those...


God bless
Julie

[Dragonfly]

Sammy, thats exactly what I meant, real christians

walk the walk, talk the talk and fight the fight.

Much like Julie, those numbers had me really confused.

Sammy dear I hate to break this to you but there are 365 days in a year :lol:


and here I was wondering what Christians those other 9 days :lol: :lol:

[Momof5]

I know this is a long thread but I had to share something that happened yesterday. I had a potentially explosive situation with my 14 year old son yesterday and as soon as he began trying to push all my buttons and drag me into an argument with him, I prayed (very low almost under my breath) and rebuked the spirit of hatred, the spirit of contention, the spirit of rebelliousness in the Name of Jesus and by the Blood of Jesus. My son looked at me like he didn't know what just happened, stopped his rage completely, and quietly asked if he could go to our neighbors' house. WOW!!!

This afternoon we have an appt. with his psychiatrist and I do not think I am going to share this with her, for fear she will have me committed :) This is the same woman who told me I could probably pique his interest in reading by getting him Harry Potter books and was utterly confused when I said it would probably pique his interest in everything but reading!

Praise God for His Full Armor!!!!

[moonglow]

Praise God! I am SO happy this worked for you! Keep up the good work....I have to say I am so happy to hear that I am not insane as was orginally thought...lol...or that I was seeing things when this worked on Nate. As I have said many times before...I still would not believe it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes MANY times!! It would be easy too convince myself I was seeing things if it had only worked once....but again and again and again???? Amazing...

Luke 10:17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord,
even the demons submit to us in your name.” 18 He replied, “I
saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19. I have given you
authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all
the power of the enemy: nothing will harm you. However, do not
rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your
names are written in heaven.”

God bless
Julie

[Dragonfly]

I have to agree the results are amazing. God is good, all the time. I had the same scenario with Stephen since Julie and Karen has told me about rebuking the spirit. I too, won't tell his psychiatrist because they'll think I'm crazy. I've also told Stephen not to share with his psychiatrist he dreams about demons and feels like they chase him at night. Nor about the voices that told him to kill himself that first time. They'll think he's schizophrenic. I find that those that don't know about spiritual warfare or haven't had to deal with it think those of of who has are crazy. I tell you though, by the graciousness of God and the blood of Jesus my house is much calmer now and Stephen hasn't had a rage since I started rebuking. I know rebuke spritis out of my 2 yr old and its working too :pp I've been praying and asking God to protect us as we sleep and the evil presences I had been feeling are gone.

I'm sure Satan is not done with me because God has work for me to do. So I just pray everyday and try to get closer and closer to God.

[moonglow]

Bumping this up .....:)

[EEJMAB]

Julie,

You hit the nail on the head about the other boards for parents with neurological disorders. I was on a couple of different boards, quit one for about six months because it just seemed the same old thing. These kids weren't really getting better. But the last board I was on, After being on there for just a couple of weeks, I was feeling rather depressed, not much hope in my childrens disorders. I was starting to think that no matter what you tried it wouldn't help. I went on the second board to find out more on the ODD. I didn't know a whole lot about it, but wanted to know if my child was like others. And what I found out scared the heck out of me. These parents trying everything they could to help their children, to only find out that they are sitting in Jail, or having to be in a rehabilitation center. I was feeling overwhelmed, but I kept saying to myself, Jesus is with me, Jacob and Mary will not end up like that. But the more and more I read the more fear started to set in. Which fear comes from Satan not God. I found myself getting so wrapped up in what was happening to my children, that I was not paying as much attention to God. I found myself heading for the computer, before I had my morning prayer with the Lord. Not Wise.

I also know what you were talking about these terrible thoughts going through your head. I started having these horrible thoughts toward my four year old for about two years after he was born. I thought I was going insane. I didn't tell anyone about them because they were so horrible that I thought I would land my self in the psych ward, and I thought that my children would be taken away from me. I thought it was me not an evil spirit.

I think you brought up a good point. I hadn't even thought about rebuking the behavior by calling it what it really is. I will definantly start doing this in the name of Jesus.

I think your testimony is so awesome. I will write more later to you on this. There is more I want to say to you about what you wrote, but I think my husband is feeling neglected a little. So I am going to spend some time with him and get back with you tomarrow.

Thank you for showing me this board, it has already done wonders for me spiritually.

Your sister in Christ,

Elizabeth

[rossredsox]

Please read the below link and pray for my child, who attends this school NEXTDOOR to an adult club we have been trying to shut down. Please write a letter to the editor of the paper encouraging serious coverage.


http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2004-08-04/dogbites.html

[EEJMAB]

Julie,

I am still thinking about your thread.... It is so awesome. I still can't stop thinking about all that you have conquered though Jesus's strength. To go from a child that had umteen diagnosis, down to two, with very little medication. That is so truely awesome. I know this would not have happened if it weren't for you faith in our Almighty God!

I was telling my Husband last night about how much you had gone through with your son. My husband said, sounds like you. Then I said, Do you realize that he is only down to two diagnosis? He said, really? I said, Yep and she did it by praying over her child's bahaviors and moods, and rebuking the spirit in the Name of Jesus. Ed said, that is so awesome. Well, Let's start doing that with our children. So Ed and I are going to do this together. I think it so awesome. We were already praying over our children everyday. We plead the blood of Jesus over them. We also ask for God's protection over their souls. Did not think about rebuking evil spirits. Well, I take that back, I did once, When I thought Jacob had demons in him. Because he had such an awful hateful attitude in him. I know that I have thought more than once was I really raising a serial killer? But I know that our family can and will fight the fight with good faith.

We just have to keep our mind on Jesus. Satan is scared of Jesus, and becomes a whimpering nothing when Jesus takes dominion over him. Satan has no power. That is why we put on the body of Armor for spiritual attacks. Our souls are know longer of this world, Are flesh is, and we fight with our flesh on a daily basis. But staying in the word of God, Keeping the faith in Jesus, separates us from this worldly God. Then minute we let our guard down, that is when we leave a seeping hole for satan to attack us.

You are so right when you said, your son is doing better with spiritual warfare, than anything else. Keep the body of armour on girl, Your doing an excellent job.

Thank you so much for this testimony, it has helped me in more than one way. You truely are a Woman of God.

Your sister in Christ,

Elizabeth

[thirstfortruth3]

Julie,

I stumbled on to this thread by accident. When I started reading it, I found that I could not stop. I don't know why because I have been truly blessed and have never had to deal with any problems like this but it really grabbed my attention. However, during the middle of reading it (almost to page 2), my electricity went off and on really quick, shutting down my computer. Needless to say, it scared the day lights out of me. I mean it really freaked me out, so much so that I think I will have to discontinue reading it for now. Anyway, I just wanted you to know what a great thread you started here though and I hope it is helpful to others in your situation.

[moonglow]

bumping this...

[Momof5]

It's always good to revisit old threads.....I remember this thread being longer though.:hmm:

I still believe that the enemy attacks us through our children!

[ComeLordJesus]

GOD BLESS YOU ALL FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.:)

I THOUGHT MY FAMILY WAS THE ONLY ONE IN THE ENTIRE CHRISTIAN FAMILY THAT HAS HAD THESE THINGS HAPPEN OUR ENTIRE LIVES.

Why do only some experience this battle? Most never see the unseen things around them. I/we are not crazy or insane. ....yet I never got a reason from God why we see or hear the unseen evil things around us. Does HE have a bigger purpose? Are we just supposed to look like fools to the world?

We have seen evil things, demons, ghosts, heard voices, whatever since we were small children. I thought at the age of 5 while I visited a friends house that her house was different because there weren't any around her house like at our home. I thought every house had them. I saw those things most everywhere so I was surprised at 5up when I saw nothing. My parents always said that those things (ghosts) she said didn't hurt us they protected us, so don't be afraid of them. We saw objects fly..........like telphones after they rang. We saw toys fly or float around in the day time.

My children have had furniture turn over on them in the middle of the night like dressers, chest of drawers, chairs, with no explaination. We are used to wake up at 3 am with the same nightmare. We smelled the same awful scent then saw a ghost. Our dog used to walk in a round about way , as if, someone was blocking his route. He sensed evil. He saw things too that was unseen. Why us? We didn't want that life.

I am 55 years old and a grandma now. Only one at home with us and he is 29. I used the oil and did what you described and it got so much better around here. I still get sort of housebound though and can't seem to ever ride in a car without xantax first. I feel sometimes like a failure as a child of God. I want to be what He wants me to be, but I am scared all the time. Churches don't want to be bothered. I've been to a dozen that want no part of helping with the problems through the years. Unfortunately, I believe they are more afraid than I.

But, the annointing oil and prayers helped stop most of it here. I guess I am just angry and tired of it all. I am crying because I am happy you understand this unseen world we live in....and I am not alone with this knowledge. God Bless you all again for posting on this subject.;)

[the J Man]

I still believe that the enemy attacks us through our children!

The enemy comes to steal, kill and destroy(John10:10). That is why we need to put on the armour daily to stand against his wiles. Jesus gave us authority over the enemy for a reason. Because the powers of darlness are real, not fictitious as many think. Satan has his army of demons who are bent on our destruction. They come to entice, torment, afflict, deceive, discourage, oprress, to try and hinder your calling and from doing what God has called you to do. If you a threat to Satan's kingdom, Satan will try and destroy you.
Many christians don't know his tactics, they are lacking knowledge towards how the enemy operates. That is why Satan often goes unhindered. Jesus gave us power and authority over the enemy(Matthew10:1 and Luke10:19), but that is of no use unless we use it against the enemy. God wants His people free from bondage(Luke4:18, Acts10:38, 1st John3:8). But many are not being taught how to use the Sword of the Spirit(Ephesians6:17) against the enemy. The people of God need to be in prayer, reading their Word and binding the enemy and breaking strongholds in the name of Jesus. They need to prayerfully destroy the works of the enemy(spirtual warfare).

[moonglow]

ComeLordJesus...I am sorry you are still struggling with anxieties and fears...have you tried rebuking these feelings in the Name of Jesus? Its something I struggle with at times too.. I used to have very severe depression...suicidle thoughts you know...:( I did the whole therapist medication thing but never seemed to get any better...until I learned to fight back and rebuke those thoughts. They would flee from me! Those dark terrible clouds in my mind would just leave...

The anixety has been harder to fight though....but in many ways its slowly getting better...


I will be praying for you!

God bless

[the J Man]

My children have had furniture turn over on them in the middle of the night like dressers, chest of drawers, chairs, with no explaination. We are used to wake up at 3 am with the same nightmare. We smelled the same awful scent then saw a ghost. Our dog used to walk in a round about way , as if, someone was blocking his route. He sensed evil. He saw things too that was unseen. Why us? We didn't want that life.

Satan hates kingdom children. He hates us for serving the Lord. He wants to attack you and discourage you. It is important to rebuke his attack and command those demons to flee in the name of Jesus. My wife and I had a couple of incidents in our bedroom where there was a sulpheric smell. It was only in our bedroom and nowhere else in the house. We took authority over the devil and commanded the enemy to flee in the name of Jesus. We called upon the Lord to consume any demonic force that has come against us. We declared Isaiah59:19 which says "When the enemy comes in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against him." After doing warfare, the smell went away as the demon/demons were expelled by the power of the Lord.

I am 55 years old and a grandma now. Only one at home with us and he is 29. I used the oil and did what you described and it got so much better around here. I still get sort of housebound though and can't seem to ever ride in a car without xantax first. I feel sometimes like a failure as a child of God. I want to be what He wants me to be, but I am scared all the time. Churches don't want to be bothered. I've been to a dozen that want no part of helping with the problems through the years. Unfortunately, I believe they are more afraid than I.

It's certainly sad that many churches aren't doing what God has called them to do. If they were fully operating in the gifts of the Spirit mentioned in 1st Corinthians12:4-11, there would be people in the church that would pray with you and do warfare with you against enemy attacks. There is no reason why they should be afraid, for the Word of God says that He has not given us a pirit of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind(2nd Timothy1:7). When Jesus sent out His disciples in Matthew10:1-8, and the 70 followers in LUke10:1-19, He gave them power over all the works of the enemy. He gave them power to cast demons out. Demons should be afraid of us, not the other way around. Satan is a defeated foe. We have the victory in Christ over Satan.

If the church you went to does not want to help, is there any other churches in your area that is capable of dealing with this? I mean, it doesn't take much accept for them to know that we as believers have that authority and power over all the works of the enemy. Jesus said it in Mark16;17,18 "And these signs shall follow those that believe; In My name they shall cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues. They shall take up serpents and scorpions(refering to demonic forces); and if they drink and deadly thing(not purposely of course), it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover."

Jesus said that we as believers have the power to cast Satan out in His Name. No church is to ignore that calling for many right in the church are bound and need to be set free.

Also, don't consider yourself to be a failure. You are "NOT" a failure! Your a child of God. You can do all things through Him who strengthens you(Philippians4:13). You are more than a conquerer in Christ(Romans8:37).

[karenmot]

Several of our children have seen demons -- one of my daughters used to see them quite frequently -- they have also experienced various manifestations -- once one of my sons had his bed levitated.

I have never actually seen a demon myself, but I have had them sit on me while I lie in my bed at night, and I am unable to move a muscle, not even to cry out for help -- I cry out to Jesus in my mind and they lift off. This has happened more times than I can count. I have also had them pinch a nerve in my neck and cause me excrutiating pain on more than one occasion -- much much much worse than a simple muscle spasm.

I have been a target for demons my whole life -- it started when I was about 3 or 4 and used to hear them talking about me , hovering over me in my bed at nite.


Why? I don't know -- generational curse? I used to think so -- now I am not so sure -- and I don't waste any mental or emotional energy worrying about it. I am a target -- and I deal with it (many times not so successfully, like in the last couple of years.... )

[ComeLordJesus]

I can't do the quote thing well but thanks to Moonglow and The J. Man for your prayers and posting.

Been to all the churches here for years. They are spiritual Holy Ghosts churches, but pass the buck. They pray for us at the altar but don't want to come to the house or teach us how to stop this activity. Or why? Or what now. Or why is it not everyone that experiences this? No answers. They kind of just walk away without answers. We are in the minority. It scares them and maybe because they aren't prayed up. I don't know.

My husband is a saved believer but doesn't want to acknowledge what happened. He won't stand with me against it. He hasn't grown far in his walk. Maybe he has.......I can't see into his heart or judge him. A wonderful husband for 35 years. I thank God for him.;)

Since the annointing has helped it is better here. Just got to get stronger so I can leave the house.

Oh, I had to run down to a neighbors years ago because it was happening at their house too when my daughter babysat the kids there. WE got clobbered after standing and rebuking them in the name of Jesus. Her friend Erika and 3 of us hand hands prayed and rebuked out loud in the name of Jesus etc and the hell broke out worse. Finally we had to run out because of things flying in the air at us. The kids were screaming. Since it wasn't my house it wouldn't listen to me or us. They laughed at us and got meaner. When outside they opened the drapes to mock us. They also grabbed my sons leg and held it and kept his shoe before he got free to go with us home. The owners just laughed. They know it is true but like them there.

I heard Steve King's books write about this stuff. He must have grown up and lived with it like I have to know so much. I hope he is saved.

I read This Present Darkness and books that are christian. They are fiction but made me feel better. I know God's angels are fighting with me for God's will to be done. I am not afraid to die, I am afraid to live. I know it is horrible but true. This is tiring. When I read these posts it encouraged me for the first time in a long while that you all believe it happens today in the year 2006. It is all around us lurking seeking whom it may devour. I just hope I've done what the Lord wanted me to in life so He isn't too disappointed. He can't be like the self righteous christians that are all puffed up. The comforter isn't like that with me. He is loving and understanding. That is why I am content here with Him. Outside it is more dangerous than here cause I don't know how to deal with what I see. I'd be rebuking 24/7 outside this house. Then the car quits....and I get stranded. My husband says we only have a hassel driving anywhere when I am with him. They all cars and things aim for us.:confused How wierd.

Sooooo yes I'd love extra advice and prayers when you get time. I'll stop now.

J.

[moonglow]

ComeLordJesus...I just now saw you had posted on here again....so sorry for the long delay....

The only thing I can think of is if you have cleaned your home? Something is leaving a 'door' open for them....you need to find it so you can be free of this. I honestly don't know why you can't be sucessful in rebuking these on your own...but something is standing in the way of it. Pray for the Lord to guide you in what to do. I know churches are suppose to help...but obivously they don't always like in your case...but I believe the Holy Spirit can work through even one person and set you free from this.

I will continue praying for you on this.

God bless

[steven7002]

i just wanted to say to you that jesus name is above every name and he can heal every disease
by the way as a tip may help you try changing your son diet to protein (esp barbequed fish ), all natural vegetables and all natural yogurt(plain ,whole no sugar added if he can tolerate it and no more than 170 grams per day ) ,no sugar , no bread(pasta or so forth ) ,no fruit esp the sweet ones, no chocolate ,add to that exercise ,ofcourse do all that as you enjoy it

by the way i always encourage using all natural food or supplement ( according to need )
and you need to know that having too many disease labels because doctor(s) are not doing their job right

[moonglow]

i just wanted to say to you that jesus name is above every name and he can heal every disease
by the way as a tip may help you try changing your son diet to protein (esp barbequed fish ), all natural vegetables and all natural yogurt(plain ,whole no sugar added if he can tolerate it and no more than 170 grams per day ) ,no sugar , no bread(pasta or so forth ) ,no fruit esp the sweet ones, no chocolate ,add to that exercise ,ofcourse do all that as you enjoy it

by the way i always encourage using all natural food or supplement ( according to need )
and you need to know that having too many disease labels because doctor(s) are not doing their job right

Thanks steven...not sure if you read through these thread or not but my son no longer rages anymore thanks to healing from God...so he doesn't need a diet change....there is no way, at age 13 he would go for this type of diet anyway. But thanks anyway.

God bless

[Momof5]

This is a really old thread. The child I posted about is almost 20 now with a child of his own!:)

[moonglow]

This is a really old thread. The child I posted about is almost 20 now with a child of his own!:)

Its not that old! :lol::lol::lol:

I would like to keep it open though if that is ok for those that are really struggling with major behavior problems with their kids, if that is ok. :) I refer to this thread all the time on other newer posts and give the link to this one.

God bless

[MsBLChew]

As a mother that can relate to a lot of these things, I would like to say that as long as you make it your personal goal to keep your eyes focused upon the Lord and getting your family to heaven, one day you will look back and you will see that every bit of what took place is worth it all.

My children are grown now and I think back to some of the ADHA feelings of helplessness. Then about the type of Adult parents that they are today. They tell me know that everything I did ment a lot to them as far as the way that they turned out.
Some of the things that have helped them, was I told them I was sorry for not doing my part, either by correcting then, going to church, monitoring toys or books, etc...But Now I had to change things and they would have to understand that they might not like it but one day it would be worth it all.

[steven7002]

Thanks steven...not sure if you read through these thread or not but my son no longer rages anymore thanks to healing from God...so he doesn't need a diet change....there is no way, at age 13 he would go for this type of diet anyway. But thanks anyway.

God bless
never mind about the part about he can heal every disease because your son is already healed
i didnt read all the posts

[lovendove]

Now I have no problems doing it...if I see Nathan acting up...getting nasty, back talking or just upset...I quickly identfiy the 'mood' hence the spirit..whisper a reburking under my breath...he is not aware of it and within a few minutes he is calmer and not doong whatever he was doing...


Do you mind telling me word for word what you say in the moment? I have tried praying over him, weeping, crying, wrestling with him when he's out of control in these rage like moments... it's very very scary and I feel out of control. We need help! He's on 300mg of lithium twice a day and they just added in straterra which seemed to he helping up until today (day 6 of the new med) when his rage/agression seems to be getting worse again.

I'm at such a loss with this. I need help desperately.

[moonglow]

Do you mind telling me word for word what you say in the moment? I have tried praying over him, weeping, crying, wrestling with him when he's out of control in these rage like moments... it's very very scary and I feel out of control. We need help! He's on 300mg of lithium twice a day and they just added in straterra which seemed to he helping up until today (day 6 of the new med) when his rage/agression seems to be getting worse again.

I'm at such a loss with this. I need help desperately.

Hi...sorry I just saw your post. straterra INCREASING anxiety...which is what sets off the rages. My son ended up back in the mental health hospital due to a very violent rage caused by this medication...breaking glass..kicking the phone out of my hand when I tried to call for help leaving a horrible bruise on my hand. Then the dumb hospital went and increased this medication...:B They did not help.

I just did a quick search on this medication and this warning came up:

WARNING (http://www.rxlist.com/strattera-drug.htm)

SUICIDAL IDEATION IN CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS

STRATTERA (atomoxetine) increased the risk of suicidal ideation in short-term studies in children or adolescents with Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). Anyone considering the use of STRATTERA in a child or adolescent must balance this risk with the clinical need. Co-morbidities occurring with ADHD may be associated with an increase in the risk of suicidal ideation and/or behavior. Patients who are started on therapy should be monitored closely for suicidality (suicidal thinking and behavior), clinical worsening, or unusual changes in behavior. Families and caregivers should be advised of the need for close observation and communication with the prescriber. STRATTERA is approved for ADHD in pediatric and adult patients. STRATTERA is not approved for major depressive disorder.

Pooled analyses of short-term (6 to 18 weeks) placebo-controlled trials of STRATTERA in children and adolescents (a total of 12 trials involving over 2200 patients, including 11 trials in ADHD and 1 trial in enuresis) have revealed a greater risk of suicidal ideation early during treatment in those receiving STRATTERA compared to placebo. The average risk of suicidal ideation in patients receiving STRATTERA was 0.4% (5/1357 patients), compared to none in placebo-treated patients (851 patients). No suicides occurred in these trials [see WARNINGS AND PRECAUTIONS].

I would stop giving it to him and call the doctor right away. Too many times these kids appear to be better when starting on a new medication then they end up acting the same way or worse. I think the reason they seem better at first is because they are too doped up to act out..:( Then their bodies adjust to the medication and it all started over again.

How old is your son? has he been dx with bipolar since he is on lithium?

Have you been shown how to safely restrain him so neither of you get hurt? I was shown how by my son's therapist. Restraining someone always risk injury and you don't want that to happen...yet not restraining them will almost guarantee someone gets hurt...:( I know, I have been there.

What I did with my son is rebuke the rage, then anxiety, the rejection...I would say 'be gone evil spirits or rage, hate, anger, pain, rejection and anxiety in the Name of Jesus and by the blood of Jesus'. If you can...do not do this with him hearing cause he will fight harder. When Nate was like this and I tried to even pray outloud he would physically attack me.

So what I would do is when I started seeing his mood go bad I would walk into another room (but where I could still keep an eye on him cause I never knew what he might do), then whisper the rebuke as quietly as possible.

The reason I added 'rejection' to this list is because alot of Nate's anger did come from feeling rejected by his dad who was emotionally abusive to him. And Nate was so sensitive to any kind of rejection...possibly feeling rejected by me because I was upset with his behavior (though of course I didn't reject 'him' at all) Alot of his anger and rage was deep, deep hurt too from his dad...but obviously there was more going on or this rebuking wouldn't have worked.

I am truly sorry you are dealing with all of this. Do let the doctor know what is going on...don't cut out medical and mental health either...those things can and do help..its just most of the time the spiritual isn't being addressed. My son still sees a therapist and a doctor for his medication..he still has an anxiety disorder so takes medication for that and still has ADHD and takes Clonidine for that...Clonidine doesn't increase anxiety like these other meds do but actually helps with anxiety.

Again I am sorry I didn't see your post sooner. If you post again and I don't reply, boot it back up so I will see it. I am praying for you!

God bless

[moonglow]

I realize this thread is very old but I have wanted it to stay open in hopes of helping people like lovendove. It took me a very long time to post all this information and to have to repeat it (and in a way re-live it) every time someone needs this kind of help, would be difficult. So thank you for keeping it open. :)

God bless
Julie