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Momof5
Feb 1st 2007, 08:01 PM
Well, we have been in the book of John since June 2004 and have 3 chapters to go.......

I have been so blessed by this and made some very good friends in the process.:hug:

John 19 NKJV

1) So then Pilate took Jesus and scourged Him.

2) And the soldiers twisted a crown of thorns and put it on His head, and they put on Him a purple robe.

3) Then they said, "Hail, King of the Jews!" And they struck Him with their hands.

4) Pilate then went out again, and said to them, "Behold, I am bringing Him out to you that you may know that I find no fault in Him."

miepie
Feb 1st 2007, 09:23 PM
John 19:1
So then Pilate took Jesus and scourged Him.

JFB Commentary:
1-3. Pilate took Jesus and scourged him—in hope of appeasing them. (See Mark 15:15). "And the soldiers led Him away into the palace, and they call the whole band" (Mark 15:16) —the body of the military cohort stationed there—to take part in the mock coronation now to be enacted.

Mark 15:15-16
So Pilate, wanting to gratify the crowd, released Barabbas to them; and he delivered Jesus, after he had scourged Him, to be crucified. [16] Then the soldiers led Him away into the hall called Praetorium, and they called together the whole garrison.


Bible Knowledge Commentary:
19:1-3. Third, Pilate had him flogged. Pilate’s action, according to Luke (23:16), was another attempt at compromise. He hoped the crowd would be satisfied with a little blood. Roman flogging was done with a leather whip with bits of metal at the ends. Such flogging often killed a person. The flogging, the mocking crown of thorns and purple robe, the ridiculing in hailing Him King of the Jews, and the physical blows on His face—these were all part of Jesus’ deep humiliation as He was identified with human sin as the Servant of the Lord (cf. Isa. 50:6; 52:14-53:6). (Matthew and Mark added that the soldiers spit on Jesus [Matt. 27:30; Mark 15:19].) The thorns on His head are mindful of the curse of thorns caused by human sin (Gen. 3:18).

Luke 23:16
I will therefore chastise Him and release Him"

Isaiah 50:6
I gave My back to those who struck Me,
And My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard;
I did not hide My face from shame and spitting.

Isaiah 52:14-53:6
Just as many were astonished at you,
So His visage was marred more than any man,
And His form more than the sons of men;
[15] So shall He sprinkle many nations.
Kings shall shut their mouths at Him;
For what had not been told them they shall see,
And what they had not heard they shall consider.

[53:1] Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
[2] For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
[3] He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

[4] Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
[5] But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
[6] All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

Genesis 3:18
Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.



John 19:2
And the soldiers twisted a crown of thorns and put it on His head, and they put on Him a purple robe.

JFB Commentary:
2. the soldiers platted a crown of thorns, and put it on his head—in mockery of a regal crown.
and they put on him a purple robe—in mockery of the imperial purple; first "stripping him" (Matthew 27:28) of His own outer garment. The robe may have been the "gorgeous" one in which Herod arrayed and sent Him back to Pilate (Luke 23:11). "And they put a reed into His right hand" (Matthew 27:29) —in mockery of the regal scepter. "And they bowed the knee before Him" (Matthew 27:29).

Matthew 27:28
And they stripped Him and put a scarlet robe on Him.

Luke 23:11
Then Herod, with his men of war, treated Him with contempt and mocked Him, arrayed Him in a gorgeous robe, and sent Him back to Pilate.

Matthew 27:29
When they had twisted a crown of thorns, they put it on His head, and a reed in His right hand. And they bowed the knee before Him and mocked Him, saying, "Hail, King of the Jews!"



John 19:3
Then they said, "Hail, King of the Jews!" And they struck Him with their hands.

JFB Commentary:
3. And said, Hail, King of the Jews!—doing Him derisive homage, in the form used on approaching the emperors. "And they spit upon Him, and took the reed and smote Him on the head" (Matthew 27:30). The best comment on these affecting details is to cover the face.

Matthew 27:30
Then they spat on Him, and took the reed and struck Him on the head.



John 19:4
[4] Pilate then went out again, and said to them, "Behold, I am bringing Him out to you, that you may know that I find no fault in Him."

JFB Commentary:
4, 5. Pilate . . . went forth again, and saith . . . Behold, I bring him forth to you—am bringing, that is, going to bring him forth to you.
that ye may know I find no fault in him—and, by scourging Him and allowing the soldiers to make sport of Him, have gone as far to meet your exasperation as can be expected from a judge.

Love you,
Mieke :kiss:

Debra R
Feb 2nd 2007, 01:49 AM
Hi my sisters! :hug:

It's hard to believe we've been doing this study since 2004! Wow, we are slow aren't we? But we have had a lot of crisis that came through our lives these past few years.
And we continue on. I guess we are determined huh?
I am thankful for you my sisters, you are such a blessing to me. I couldn't have made it without you. I thank our God for you always. :hug:





John 19 NKJV

1) So then Pilate took Jesus and scourged Him.





I looked up the word scourging.....


From the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
Scourging.......
A Roman implement for severe bodily punishment. Horace calls it horribile flagellum. It consisted of a handle, to which several cords or leather thongs were affixed, which were weighted with jagged pieces of bone or metal, to make the blow more painful and effective. It is comparable, in its horrid effects, only with the Russian knout. The victim was tied to a post and the blows were applied to the back and loins, sometimes even, in the wanton cruelty of the executioner, to the face and the bowels. In the tense position of the body, the effect can easily be imagined. So hideous was the punishment that the victim usually fainted and not rarely died under it.


What a horrible, cruel punishment that Jesus willingly submitted to, for us, you and me. I can't imagine what He suffered. It had to have been extreme. I have seen suffering, but I have never seen suffering like that. And to think that He suffered for us.

I happened to see this poem by Cloudwalker in the poetry forum Titled "Barrabas" You have to read it, it is awesome. It also fits in our study....
http://bibleforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=77120

I saw Mieke had read it too. I don't usually go into the poetry forum much but I saw the title and it grabbed my attention. It is a very touching poem.


Thank you Brenda and Mieke for continuing our study. :hug:

Love you,
Deb

Debra R
Feb 2nd 2007, 01:19 PM
(NASB) John 19:5 Jesus then came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. Pilate said to them, "Behold, the Man!"

6 So when the chief priests and the officers saw Him, they cried out saying, "Crucify, crucify!" Pilate said to them, "Take Him yourselves and crucify Him, for I find no guilt in Him."

7 The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and by that law He ought to die because He made Himself out to be the Son of God."

8 Therefore when Pilate heard this statement, he was even more afraid;

9 and he entered into the Praetorium again and said to Jesus, "Where are You from?" But Jesus gave him no answer.

10 So Pilate said to Him, "You do not speak to me? Do You not know that I have authority to release You, and I have authority to crucify You?"

11 Jesus answered, "You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin."


Blessings :hug:

Momof5
Feb 2nd 2007, 09:17 PM
Thank you, Mieke, for the commentaries that explain those verses so well. I know it is difficult for you to do something so time consuming.:hug:

I am so glad to have you in here, Deb. We cannot continue this without you!:hug:

I pray that others will join us as well!

beachbum53
Feb 3rd 2007, 12:28 AM
1 So then Pilate took Jesus and scourged Him. 2 And the soldiers twisted a crown of thorns and put it on His head, and they put on Him a purple robe. 3 Then they said, “Hail, King of the Jews!” And they struck Him with their hands.
4 Pilate then went out again, and said to them, “Behold, I am bringing Him out to you, that you may know that I find no fault in Him.”
5 Then Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. And Pilate said to them, “Behold the Man!”


Deuteronomy 25:3 Forty blows he may give him and no more, lest he should exceed this and beat him with many blows above these, and your brother be humiliated in your sight.

Jewish law stated no more than 40 lashing could occur....depending on the crime...I assume they gave Jesus all 40 :cry: That alone could have killed him.

Purple represented royalty.


John 19:7 The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to our law He ought to die, because He made Himself the Son of God.”


Leviticus 24:16 And whoever blasphemes the name of the LORD shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall certainly stone him, the stranger as well as him who is born in the land. When he blasphemes the name of the LORD, he shall be put to death.

Blasphemy was central in Jesus' trial before Caiaphas

Matthew 26:57-68

57 And those who had laid hold of Jesus led Him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled. 58 But Peter followed Him at a distance to the high priest’s courtyard. And he went in and sat with the servants to see the end.
59 Now the chief priests, the elders,and all the council sought false testimony against Jesus to put Him to death, 60 but found none. Even though many false witnesses came forward, they found none. But at last two false witnesses came forward 61 and said, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and to build it in three days.’”
62 And the high priest arose and said to Him, “Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?” 63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!”
64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
65 Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy! 66 What do you think?”
They answered and said, “He is deserving of death.”
67 Then they spat in His face and beat Him; and others struck Him with the palms of their hands, 68 saying, “Prophesy to us, Christ! Who is the one who struck You?”

John19:5 Then Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. And Pilate said to them, “Behold the Man!”

Behold the man.....Pilate was being sarcastic trying to tell the Jewish authorities that Jesus wasn't a dangerous man.



John19:9 and went again into the Praetorium, and said to Jesus, “Where are You from?” But Jesus gave him no answer.

Isaiah53:7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.



John19:11
Jesus answered, “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.”

No matter what happens it can't escape the sovereignty of God


Jesus was referring to Caiaphas who was a religious leader and had a greater responsibily to recognize the Messiah. I have read that he might also be referring to Judas

Debra R
Feb 3rd 2007, 06:53 PM
John 19:7 The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and by that law He ought to die because He made Himself out to be the Son of God."

8 Therefore when Pilate heard this statement, he was even more afraid;


Pilate was even more afraid when he heard those words. Do you wonder what his thoughts were of Jesus? Do you think he sensed something about Jesus, about His person, do you think the thoughts went through his mind that just maybe Jesus was indeed the Son of God? And too we read in Matthew 27:19 While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent him a message, saying, "Have nothing to do with that righteous Man; for last night I suffered greatly in a dream because of Him."
God had given Pilate's wife a warning but Pilate chose to ignore it. But even so it was already foretold of Jesus' death and resurrection and it all went according to God's plan.

Thank you Laurie :hug:, as I was thinking on this verse in the references you posted.....


Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him, "It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven."


I had thought of that in Acts when they witnessed Jesus' ascension into heaven and those led me to these verses.......

Matthew 24:30" And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.

Revelation 14:14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like a son of man, having a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand.

Daniel 7:13 "I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14 "And to Him was given dominion,
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations and men of every language
Might serve Him
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.


Here are those verses in Acts.......


Acts 1:1 The first account I composed, Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and teach,

2 until the day when He was taken up to heaven, after He had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen.

3 To these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God.



9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

10 And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them.

11 They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven."

Will we be here to see Jesus returning on the clouds? We could be. :)

Blessings :hug:

Momof5
Feb 3rd 2007, 08:16 PM
Wow, Mieke, Deb & Laura, ya'll are way ahead of me!:hug:

Next few verses......

12) From then on Pilate sought to release Him, but the Jews cried out, saying, "If you let this Man go, you are not Caesar's friend. Whoever makes himself a king speaks against Caesar."

13) When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus out and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called The Pavement, but in Hebrew, Gabbatha.

14) Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, Behold your King!"

15) But they cried out, "Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!" Pilate said to them, "Shall I crucify your King?" The chief priests answered, "We have no king but Caesar!"

16) Then he delivered Him to them to be crucified. Then they took Jesus and led Him away.

miepie
Feb 3rd 2007, 08:45 PM
John 19:5
Then Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. And Pilate said to them, "Behold the Man!"

JFB Commentary:
5. Then Jesus came forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And Pilate saith unto them, Behold the man!—There is no reason to think that contempt dictated this speech. There was clearly a struggle in the breast of this wretched man. Not only was he reluctant to surrender to mere clamor an innocent man, but a feeling of anxiety about His mysterious claims, as is plain from what follows, was beginning to rack his breast, and the object of his exclamation seems to have been to move their pity. But, be his meaning what it may, those three words have been eagerly appropriated by all Christendom, and enshrined for ever in its heart as a sublime expression of its calm, rapt admiration of its suffering Lord.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
19:4-5. Again Pilate’s attempt to free Jesus by an appeal to the crowd missed the mark. Their taste for His blood was beyond recall. Pilate’s words, Here is the Man! (kjv, “Behold the Man!” Latin, Ecce homo) have become famous. It is strange that several of Pilate’s statements have become immortal. Jesus by that time must have appeared as a pathetic figure, bloody and wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe.



John 19:6
Therefore, when the chief priests and officers saw Him, they cried out, saying, "Crucify Him, crucify Him!" Pilate said to them, "You take Him and crucify Him, for I find no fault in Him."

JFB Commentary:
6, 7. When the chief priests . . . saw him, they cried out—their fiendish rage kindling afresh at the sight of Him.
Crucify him, crucify him—(See Mark 15:14).
Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him; for I find no fault in him—as if this would relieve him of the responsibility of the deed, who, by surrendering Him, incurred it all!

Mark 15:14
Then Pilate said to them, "Why, what evil has He done?" But they cried out all the more, "Crucify Him!"

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
19:6-7. The Jewish leaders displayed their hatred of Jesus and shouted for His death. Crucifixion was a shameful death, usually reserved for criminals, slaves, and especially revolutionaries. Pilate at first refused to be the executioner, but then the leaders brought forth their real reason: He claimed to be the Son of God. According to the Law the charge of blasphemy (Lev. 24:16) called for death, if it could be proven. About the same time Pilate’s wife sent him strange words: “Don’t have anything to do with that innocent Man, for I have suffered a great deal today in a dream because of Him” (Matt. 27:19).

Leviticus 24:16
And whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall certainly stone him, the stranger as well as him who is born in the land. When he blasphemes the name of the Lord, he shall be put to death.

Matthew 27:19
While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent to him, saying, "Have nothing to do with that just Man, for I have suffered many things today in a dream because of Him."



John 19:7
The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and according to our law He ought to die, because He made Himself the Son of God."

JFB Commentary:
7. The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by oar law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God—Their criminal charges having come to nothing, they give up that point, and as Pilate was throwing the whole responsibility upon them, they retreat into their own Jewish law, by which, as claiming equality with God (see John 5:18 and John 8:59), He ought to die; insinuating that it was Pilate's duty, even as civil governor, to protect their law from such insult.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 8:59
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.



John 19:8
Therefore, when Pilate heard that saying, he was the more afraid,

JFB Commentary:
8-11. When Pilate . . . heard this saying, he was the more afraid—the name "SON OF GOD," the lofty sense evidently attached to it by His Jewish accusers, the dialogue he had already held with Him, and the dream of his wife (Matthew 27:19), all working together in the breast of the wretched man.

Matthew 27:19
While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent to him, saying, "Have nothing to do with that just Man, for I have suffered many things today in a dream because of Him."

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
19:8-11. Pilate’s response was one of fear. As a pagan he had heard stories of humanlike gods who visited men and judged them. Perhaps the solemn majesty of Jesus with His claims of truth began to convict his conscience. Jesus’ refusal to answer Pilate’s question, Where do You come from? fulfilled the words of prophecy in Isaiah 53:7.
Pilate had his opportunity for truth and was found wanting. Disturbed by Jesus’ silence, he asked, Don’t You realize I have power? True, Pilate had some power, but he was a pawn. Yet he was responsible for his decisions (cf. Acts 4:27-28; 1 Cor. 2:8). In reality, God is the only One who has ultimate and full power. Pilate, Jesus said, was under God and therefore responsible to Him: The one who handed Me over to you is guilty of a greater sin. In this statement was Jesus referring to Judas, Satan, Caiaphas, the priests, or the Jewish people? Perhaps Caiaphas is the best choice since he is the one who handed Jesus over to Pilate. Pilate was guilty (cf. the words in the Apostles’ Creed, “suffered under Pontius Pilate”). But Jesus put more weight on Caiaphas as the responsible one (cf. John 11:49-50; 18:13-14).

Isaiah 53:7
He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.

Acts 4:27-28
"For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together [28] to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done.

1 Cor. 2:8
which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

John 11:49-50
And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, "You know nothing at all, [50] nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish."

John 18:13-14
And they led Him away to Annas first, for he was the father-in-law of Caiaphas who was high priest that year. [14] Now it was Caiaphas who advised the Jews that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.



John 19:9
and went again into the Praetorium, and said to Jesus, "Where are You from?" But Jesus gave him no answer.

JFB Commentary:
9. and went again into the judgment hall, and saith to Jesus, Whence art thou?—beyond all doubt a question relating not to His mission but to His personal origin.
Jesus gave him no answer—He had said enough; the time for answering such a question was past; the weak and wavering governor is already on the point of giving way.



John 19:10
Then Pilate said to Him, "Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?"

JFB Commentary:
10. Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not to me?—The "me" is the emphatic word in the question. He falls back upon the pride of office, which doubtless tended to blunt the workings of his conscience.
knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?—said to work upon Him at once by fear and by hope.



John 19:11
Jesus answered, "You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin."

JFB Commentary:
11. Thou couldest—rather, "shouldst."
have no power at all against me—neither to crucify nor to release, nor to do anything whatever against Me [BENGEL].
except it were—"unless it had been."
given thee from above—that is, "Thou thinkest too much of thy power, Pilate: against Me that power is none, save what is meted out to thee by special divine appointment, for a special end."
therefore he that delivered me unto thee—Caiaphas, too wit—but he only as representing the Jewish authorities as a body.
hath the greater sin—as having better opportunities and more knowledge of such matters.

Love you,
Mieke :kiss:

beachbum53
Feb 3rd 2007, 09:05 PM
John19:8

he was the more afraid;
he was afraid to put him to death, or to consent to it before; partly on account of his wife's message to him, and partly upon a conviction of the innocence of Christ, in his own conscience: and now he was more afraid, since here was a charge brought against him he did not well understand the meaning of; and a law of theirs pretended to be violated hereby, which should he pay no regard to, might occasion a tumult, since they were already become very clamorous and noisy; and he might be the more uneasy, test the thing they charged him with asserting, should be really fact; that he was one of the gods come down in the likeness of man; or that he was some demi-god at least, or so nearly related to deity, that it might be dangerous for him to have anything to do with him this way: and in this suspicion he might be strengthened, partly from the writings of the Heathens, which speak of such sort of beings; and partly from the miracles he might have heard were performed by Jesus; and also by calling to mind what he had lately said to him, that his kingdom was not of this world, and that he was come into it to bear witness to the truth.
John Gill's Exposition of the Bible
John 19:8

Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament

He was the more afraid (mallon epobhqh). First aorist passive indicative of pobeomai. He was already afraid because of his wife's message (Matthew 27:19 (http://bible.oneplace.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=Mt+27:19)). The claim of Jesus to deity excited Pilate's superstitious fears.

miepie
Feb 3rd 2007, 09:06 PM
John 19:12-13
From then on Pilate sought to release Him, but the Jews cried out, saying, "If you let this Man go, you are not Caesar's friend. Whoever makes himself a king speaks against Caesar." [13] When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus out and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called The Pavement, but in Hebrew, Gabbatha.

JFB Commentary:
12-16. And from thenceforth—particularly this speech, which seems to have filled him with awe, and redoubled his anxiety.
Pilate sought to release him—that is, to gain their consent to it, for he could have done it at once on his authority.
but the Jews cried—seeing their advantage, and not slow to profit by it. If thou let this man go, thou art not Cæsar's friend, &c.—"This was equivalent to a threat of impeachment, which we know was much dreaded by such officers as the procurators, especially of the character of Pilate or Felix. It also consummates the treachery and disgrace of the Jewish rulers, who were willing, for the purpose of destroying Jesus, to affect a zeal for the supremacy of a foreign prince" [WEBSTER and WILKINSON]. (See John 19:15).
When Pilate . . . heard that, . . . he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in—"upon"
the judgment seat—that he might pronounce sentence against the Prisoner, on this charge, the more solemnly.
in a place called the Pavement—a tesselated pavement, much used by the Romans.
in the Hebrew, Gabbatha—from its being raised.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
19:12-13. Pilate, probably under conviction, wanted to free Jesus but the Jews now tried a new attack. To let Jesus go free, they argued, would be disloyalty to Caesar. The title friend of Caesar (Latin, amicus Caesaris) was an important consideration. Tiberius was on the throne and he was sick, suspicious, and often violent. Pilate had plenty to cover up and he did not want an unfavorable report to go to his boss. If he had to choose between showing his loyalty to Rome or siding with a despised and strange Jew, there was no question in his mind. The dilemma had to be resolved so Pilate made the official decision.



John 19:14
Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, "Behold your King!"

JFB Commentary:
14. It was the preparation—that is, the day before the Jewish sabbath.
and about the sixth hour—The true reading here is probably, "the third hour"—or nine A.M.—which agrees best with the whole series of events, as well as with the other Evangelists.
he saith to the Jews, Behold your King!—Having now made up his mind to yield to them, he takes a sort of quiet revenge on them by this irony, which he knew would sting them. This only reawakens their cry to despatch Him.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
19:14-16. The sixth hour, by Roman reckoning of time, could indicate 6 A.M. This was the day of preparation for the Passover Week (i.e., Friday). That day was the Passover proper, the day on which Christ died. But it was also the preparation for the seven-day Feast of Unleavened Bread, which followed immediately after the Day of Passover, and which was sometimes called the Passover Week (cf. Luke 2:41; 22:1, 7; Acts 12:3-4).

Luke 2:41
His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover.

Luke 22:1
Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread drew near, which is called Passover.

Luke 22:7
Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed.

Acts 12:3-4
And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. [4] So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.



John 19:15
But they cried out, "Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!" Pilate said to them, "Shall I crucify your King?" The chief priests answered, "We have no king but Caesar!"

JFB Commentary:
15. crucify your King? . . . We have no king but Cæsar—"Some of those who thus cried died miserably in rebellion against Cæsar forty years afterwards. But it suited their present purpose" [ALFORD]



John 19:16
Then he delivered Him to them to be crucified. So they took Jesus and led Him away.

JFB Commentary:
16. Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified, &c.—(See Mark 15:15).

Mark 15:15
So Pilate, wanting to gratify the crowd, released Barabbas to them; and he delivered Jesus, after he had scourged Him, to be crucified.

Love you,
Mieke :kiss:

beachbum53
Feb 3rd 2007, 09:07 PM
Sorry Mieke........I was doing mine and didn't see yours!!

Momof5
Feb 3rd 2007, 09:31 PM
Wow! Pilate's concern for himself caused him to condemn a Man he knew to be innocent and the Jewish leaders knew how to get to him politically.

I think of his show of releasing himself from guilt:

Matthew 27: 24 - When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, "I am innocent of the blood of this just Person. You see to it."

beachbum53
Feb 4th 2007, 04:49 PM
13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus out and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called The Pavement, but in Hebrew, Gabbatha.

John5:22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

The irony is that Pilate passed judgement on the One that the Father Himself entrusted with all judgement.


14 Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, “Behold your King!”

I would think since it was Preparation Day that they should have been doing holy things to prepare for Passover.



15 But they cried out, “Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!”
Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?”
The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar!”



:hmm: The Jewish people actually hated the Romans and Caesar.They took the Roman's side and condemned their own Messiah.

Momof5
Feb 5th 2007, 02:50 PM
Good Monday morning, ladies!:hug: Are we ready to move on to a few more verses? Feel free to go back anytime......

17) And He, bearing His cross, went out to a place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha,

18) where they crucified Him, and two others with Him, one on either side, and Jesus in the center.

19) Now Pilate wrote a title and put it on the cross. And the writing was:

JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS

20) Then many of the Jews read this title, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Greek, and Latin.

21) Therefore the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, "Do not write 'The King of the Jews', but He said "I am the King of the Jews." ' "

22) Pilate answered, "What I have written, I have written."

Do you think Pilate realized that he had proclaimed in 3 languages that Jesus is the Messiah?

miepie
Feb 5th 2007, 07:41 PM
I bet he did not realize that at all........

John 19:17
And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

JFB Commentary:
17. And he bearing his cross—(See on Luke 23:26).
went forth—Compare Hebrews 13:11-13, "without the camp"; "without the gate." On arriving at the place, "they gave Him vinegar to drink mingled with gall [wine mingled with myrrh, Mark 15:23], and when He had tasted thereof, He would not drink" (Matthew 27:34). This potion was stupefying, and given to criminals just before execution, to deaden the sense of pain.
Fill high the bowl, and spice it well, and pour
The dews oblivious: for the Cross is sharp,
The Cross is sharp, and He
Is tenderer than a lamb.
—KEBLE.
But our Lord would die with every faculty clear, and in full sensibility to all His sufferings.
Thou wilt feel all, that Thou may'st pity all;
And rather would'st Thou wrestle with strong pain
Than overcloud Thy soul,
So clear in agony,
Or lose one glimpse of Heaven before the time,
O most entire and perfect Sacrifice,
Renewed in every pulse.
—KEBLE.

Luke 23:26
And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.

Mark 15:23
And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.

Matthew 27:34
They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
19:17-18. Carrying His own cross, Jesus went out. These words fulfill two Old Testament symbols or types. Isaac carried his own wood for the sacrifice (Gen. 22:1-6) and the sin offering used to be taken outside the camp or city (cf. Heb. 13:11-13). So Jesus was made sin (2 Cor. 5:21). Golgotha in Aramaic (The place of the skull) was probably called this because the hill with its stony barren top looked like a skull. The two others who were crucified with Jesus are mentioned to make understandable the following sequel in which their legs were broken but not those of Jesus (cf. John 19:32-33). Luke added that the two were “criminals” (Luke 23:32-33), and Matthew called them “robbers” (Matt. 27:44).

Genesis 22:1-6
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. [2] And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
[3] And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. [4] Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. [5] And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you, [6] And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.

Hebrews 13:11-13
For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. [13] Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

2 Cor. 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

John 19:32-33
Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him. [33] But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:

Luke 23:32-33
And there were also two others, malefactors, led with him to be put to death. [33] And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.

Matthew 27:44
The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.



John 19:18
Where they crucified him, and two others with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

JFB Commentary:
18. they crucified him, and two others with him—"malefactors" (Luke 23:33), "thieves" (rather "robbers," Matthew 27:38; Mark 15:27).
on either side one and Jesus in the midst—a hellish expedient, to hold Him up as the worst of the three. But in this, as in many other of their doings, "the scripture was fulfilled, which saith (Isaiah 53:12), And he was numbered with the transgressors"— (Mark 15:28) —though the prediction reaches deeper. "Then said Jesus"—["probably while being nailed to the CROSS,"] [OLSHAUSEN], "FATHER, FORGIVE THEM, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO" (Luke 23:34) —and again the Scripture was fulfilled which said, "And He made intercession for the transgressors" (Isaiah 53:12), though this also reaches deeper. (See Acts 3:17; Acts 13:27; and compare 1 Tim. 1:13). Often have we occasion to observe how our Lord is the first to fulfil His own precepts—thus furnishing the right interpretation and the perfect Model of them. (See on Matthew 5:44). How quickly was it seen in "His martyr Stephen," that though He had left the earth in Person, His Spirit remained behind, and Himself could, in some of His brightest lineaments, be reproduced in His disciples! (Acts 7:60). And what does the world in every age owe to these few words, spoken where and as they were spoken!

[B]Matthew 27:38 [/B]
Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.

[B]Mark 15:27 [/B]
And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.

[B]Isaiah 53:12 [/B]
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

[B]Mark 15:28[/B]
And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

[B]Luke 23:34[/B]
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

[B]Acts 3:17 [/B]
And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

[B]Acts 13:27 [/B]
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

[B]1 Tim. 1:13 [/B]
Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

[B]Matthew 5:44[/B]
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

[B]Acts 7:60 [/B]
And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.



[COLOR="Red"][B]John 19:19-20[/B][/COLOR]
And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS. [20] This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.

JFB Commentary:
19-22. Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross . . . Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews . . . and it was written in Hebrew—or Syro-Chaldaic, the language of the country.
and Greek—the current language.
and Latin—the official language. These were the chief languages of the earth, and this secured that all spectators should be able to read it. Stung by this, the Jewish ecclesiastics entreat that it may be so altered as to express, not His real dignity, but His false claim to it. But Pilate thought he had yielded quite enough to them; and having intended expressly to spite and insult them by this title, for having got him to act against his own sense of justice, he peremptorily refused them. And thus, amidst the conflicting passions of men, was proclaimed, in the chief tongues of mankind, from the Cross itself and in circumstances which threw upon it a lurid yet grand light, the truth which drew the Magi to His manger, and will yet be owned by all the world!

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
19:19-20. The game between Pilate and the priests continued with the writing of the notice (Gr., titlon; Latin, titulus) which was usually attached to a criminal’s cross. It read, JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS. Since the sign was written in three languages—Aramaic, Latin, and Greek—and the Crucifixion was in a public place, all who could read saw a clear proclamation.



[COLOR="Red"][B]John 19:21-22[/B][/COLOR]
Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews. [22] Pilate answered, What I have written I have written.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
19:21-22. The chief priests naturally did not want this to be proclaimed as a fact. They wanted Jesus to die for claiming to be the Jews’ King. So they protested to Pilate to change the superscription. Pilate refused to do so. Doubtless he felt he had done enough dirty work for the leaders of the nation, and he enjoyed his little joke against them. His haughty answer, What I have written, I have written, completes a series of amazing utterances by Pilate (cf. 18:38; 19:5, 14-15; Matt. 27:22). Irony was also shown by John, who recognized that Pilate wrote those words but that God wanted His Son to die with this proclamation on His cross. The words in another sense are a fitting judgment on the life of Pilate. He had played his part and had his moment of truth. He, a Gentile, would be judged accordingly by the King of the Jews!

[B]John 18:38[/B]
Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

[B]John 19:5 [/B]
Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And Pilate saith unto them, Behold the man!

[B]John 19:14-15 [/B]
And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! [15] But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

[B]Matthew 27:22 [/B]
Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

Love you,
Mieke :kiss:

Debra R
Feb 6th 2007, 12:25 AM
Great stuff! :hug:

:) I thought I would post a few more verses......


(NASB) John 19:23) Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took His outer garments and made four parts, a part to every soldier and also the tunic; now the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece.

24 ) So they said to one another, "Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, to decide whose it shall be"; this was to fulfill the Scripture: "THEY DIVIDED MY OUTER GARMENTS AMONG THEM, AND FOR MY CLOTHING THEY CAST LOTS."

25) Therefore the soldiers did these things. But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.

Momof5
Feb 6th 2007, 01:33 AM
23) Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took His outer garments and made four parts, a part to every soldier and also the tunic; now the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece.

24 ) So they said to one another, "Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, to decide whose it shall be"; this was to fulfill the Scripture: "THEY DIVIDED MY OUTER GARMENTS AMONG THEM, AND FOR MY CLOTHING THEY CAST LOTS."

Psalm 22:18 - They divided My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots

beachbum53
Feb 6th 2007, 03:35 AM
12 From then on Pilate sought to release Him, but the Jews cried out, saying, “If you let this Man go, you are not Caesar’s friend. Whoever makes himself a king speaks against Caesar.”


Mark 4:17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.



15 But they cried out, “Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!”


If Jesus did not die for our sins God would be saying this to us on Judgement day.




17 And He, bearing His cross, went out to a place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha, 18 where they crucified Him, and two others with Him, one on either side, and Jesus in the center. 19 Now Pilate wrote a title and put it on the cross. And the writing was:

JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

20 Then many of the Jews read this title, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Greek, and Latin.
21 Therefore the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews,’ but, ‘He said, “I am the King of the Jews.”’”
22 Pilate answered, “What I have written, I have written.”

maybe Pilate wanted to 'get back' at the Jews, writing what he did_______
maybe God convicted his heart to do it

hopen-praying
Feb 6th 2007, 06:39 PM
this is from the Notes and outlines on the book of John from Dr J Vernon McGee, Thru the Bible Radio Network Ministries:

" Hebrew was the language of religion; Greek was the language of culture, philosophy, and learning; Latin was the language of law and power. The superscription was written in the three languages for the three great sections of humanity (v.20). Here is a man who was a carpenter, unheard of beyond the boundaries of that little land out in the hinterlands of the Empire. He dies on a cross as a criminal. And His gospel, the fact that He died for others, is to be preached throughout the world. More than 2000 years leater, in a world of turmoil, this is still the hope of the world, the only hope for humanity.

Notice it is "when" they had crucified Jesus (v.23), past tense. Not one of the Gospel writers gives the details. And God pulled down a veil of darkenss for three hours while the tansaction was taking place between the Father and the Son. "

Momof5
Feb 7th 2007, 05:29 PM
I'm glad you joined us, hopen-praying!:hug:

No details were given. We don't need details.....and the people of the 1st century, I am sure, knew what was involved in crucifixion.

Momof5
Feb 7th 2007, 05:35 PM
25) Therefore the soldiers did these things. But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.

I want to add these verses to this:

26) When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, "Woman, behold your son!"

27) Then He said to the disciple, "Behold your mother!" And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.

What love!! On the cross, Jesus taught by example about honoring parents and making sure they are taken care of. He entrusted His mother into John's care. He had the best interest of others in mind even then!!

hopen-praying
Feb 8th 2007, 04:38 PM
I'm glad you joined us, hopen-praying!:hug:

No details were given. We don't need details.....and the people of the 1st century, I am sure, knew what was involved in crucifixion.


Thank You Momof5!!:hug:

It is interesting you would say that "we don't need details". I don't mean to derail the thread, but just can't pass this by. The
Spirit won't let me rest until I type this out.

I was raised in the late 50s - 90s in the Catholic church. Now, I loved GOD and simply adored Jesus but needed more answers. I had no clue what was going on and why we did the things we did.

My parents didn't enroll me in catholic school because of a scandel at the time, so I (mercifully) missed out on the doctrine on the church. Like many, I fell away in my early teens, but the questions I had never left me. My biggest question was "why was Jesus called the Lamb of God?" No, I wasn't saved and just went through the motions as I was taught.

It wasn't until the mid 90s, during the stations of the Cross on a Good Friday, that I finally got the answers I had been asking. I had dragged my pain riddened body to this service looking for God. At the stations of the Cross, the congregation kneels excessively which was impossible for me, so I sat in the back to avoid being noticed and just began asking God to help me (the complaining and whining type prayers). Before I knew it, the congregation was invited outside to go walking through a garden set up to honor the stations. Those of us who couldn't make the walk stayed inside and listened through the PA.

As the priest began, I looked around at the others left behind who appeared to be like me, disabled. Then, in a moment, like a flash in my minds eye, (almost like Mel Gibson's vision of "The Passion", sans the catholic influence, except I was inches away rather than a big screen view) I saw the nails being pounded into the palms of Jesus (I didn't see Jesus, just the palms and the blood) and it broke my heart in pieces to the point of tears and changed my life forever. This was the beginning of my personal relationship with the Lord and my salvation. It was clearly the Holy Spirit revealing this to me, because I wasn't paying attention to anything that was being said since my own pain prevented me from focusing on what was going on. I didn't really understand it all then, but in my heart I had a new understanding. There is more to say, but I will stop here...

Momof5
Feb 8th 2007, 05:37 PM
Then, in a moment, like a flash in my minds eye, (almost like Mel Gibson's vision of "The Passion", sans the catholic influence, except I was inches away rather than a big screen view) I saw the nails being pounded into the palms of Jesus (I didn't see Jesus, just the palms and the blood) and it broke my heart in pieces to the point of tears and changed my life forever. This was the beginning of my personal relationship with the Lord and my salvation. It was clearly the Holy Spirit revealing this to me, because I wasn't paying attention to anything that was being said since my own pain prevented me from focusing on what was going on. I didn't really understand it all then, but in my heart I had a new understanding. There is more to say, but I will stop here...

Please do continue.:hug: Don't worry about derailing....we just take little detours now and then.:)

That is what I meant about needing no details. The Holy Spirit teaches us what we need to know.

I think about Psalm 22 telling about the crucifixion and I see such love in what Jesus did for us. But the best part - in Luke 24 the men in shining garments said "Why do you seek the living among the dead? He is not here, but is risen!"......

Praise God!!

hopen-praying
Feb 8th 2007, 11:22 PM
:)

hehe..I would have certainly written a book if I didn't stop my post when I did.

and it's good I did because you summed it up perfectly - the Holy Spirit does the teaching. :hug:

beachbum53
Feb 8th 2007, 11:33 PM
I hope you stay with us! :hug:

hopen-praying
Feb 10th 2007, 01:38 AM
Thank you beachbum :hug: (I just love your moniker..it evokes pleasant thoughts and memories)

Notes from Chuck Smith, Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa on
John 19:25, 26, 27 shed a new light on the subject:

JOHN 19:25, 26, 27
"LORD LET ME LIVE FROM DAY TO DAY"
I. FIRST THREE CRIES FROM CROSS CONCERNED OTHERS.
A. "Father Forgive."
B. "Today thou shalt be with me."
C. Caring for His mother.
1. Agony of Mary standing at cross.
a. Simeon's prophecy being fulfilled.
"Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also."

II. "WOMAN" BEHOLD THY SON.
A. Not addressed as mother.
1. Death to end earthly relationships.
2. She too must no longer look upon Him as son, but as the Lord and Christ.
B. Spiritual relationships more real and deeper than human relationships.

The minuteness of His loving care, how human and yet how divine, how comprehensive, how minute, how God-like. He governs and sustains the vast universe yet not a sparrow falls without His knowledge. He lights the sun and stars and flings them into orbit but forgets not the glow worm.

Momof5
Feb 13th 2007, 01:36 PM
Good morning, ladies!:hug: Time to continue.....

28) After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, "I thirst!"

29) Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth.

30) So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said , "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

beachbum53
Feb 13th 2007, 03:40 PM
28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!”

Psalm 22:15

15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And My tongue clings to My jaws;
You have brought Me to the dust of death.

29 Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth.

Psalm 69:21

21 They also gave me gall for my food,
And for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

Jesus only said I thirst, did not complain of anything else.

Matt. 27:48
48 Immediately one of them ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine and put it on a reed, and offered it to Him to drink.

Mark15:36
36 Then someone ran and filled a sponge full of sour wine, put it on a reed, and offered it to Him to drink, saying, “Let Him alone; let us see if Elijah will come to take Him down.”

Luke23:36

36 The soldiers also mocked Him, coming and offering Him sour wine,

Carry on ladies!

Debra R
Feb 15th 2007, 03:40 AM
Good morning, ladies!:hug: Time to continue.....

28) After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, "I thirst!"

29) Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth.

30) So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said , "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

I'm sorry ladies :hug:
I've been going through some down times again. I had meant to post more, I'm sorry.


30) So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said , "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.



Jesus said, "It is finished!"

The notes in my study bible say....."It is finished!" Receipts for taxes found in the papyri have written across them this single Greek word, which means "paid in full." The price for our redemption from sin was paid in full by our Lord's death.

You can imagine our names in the book of life and beside our name could be written "paid in full." Isn't that great! Thank you Jesus! :pp


I thought I would post a few more verses.....

(NASB) John 19:31 Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

32 So the soldiers came, and broke the legs of the first man and of the other who was crucified with Him;

33 but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.

34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.

35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you also may believe.

36 For these things came to pass to fulfill the Scripture, "NOT A BONE OF HIM SHALL BE BROKEN."

37 And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."


Blessings :hug:

Momof5
Feb 15th 2007, 08:37 PM
I've been going through some down times again. I had meant to post more, I'm sorry.

Deb, you don't need to apologize for anything. Just take care of yourself and be here when you can!:hug:

You can imagine our names in the book of life and beside our name could be written "paid in full." Isn't that great!

Absolutely awesome! When Jesus said "It is finished", he had accomplished what His Father had given Him to do and fulfilled the prophecies about Him. Praise God!

hopen-praying
Feb 16th 2007, 04:13 AM
I'm sorry ladies :hug:
I've been going through some down times again. I had meant to post more, I'm sorry.

I thought I would post a few more verses.....

(NASB) John 19:31 Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

32 So the soldiers came, and broke the legs of the first man and of the other who was crucified with Him;

33 but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.

34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.

35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you also may believe.

36 For these things came to pass to fulfill the Scripture, "NOT A BONE OF HIM SHALL BE BROKEN."

37 And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."


Blessings :hug:

I hope you are feeling better now Debra!!:hug:

John 19:36
The King James Version (Authorized) http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/audio-bible.pl?translation=kjv&title=Exodus%2012:46&file=Exodus_012&start=434.11&end=442.76)http://img.crosswalk.com/spacer.gifExodus 12 Read This Chapter (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=ex+12&version=kjv&showtools=0)12:46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof. The King James Version (Authorized) (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Information/KingJamesVersion.html)

The King James Version (Authorized) http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/audio-bible.pl?translation=kjv&title=Numbers%209:12&file=Numbers_009&start=85.93&end=93.48)http://img.crosswalk.com/spacer.gifNumbers 9 Read This Chapter (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=nu+9&version=kjv&showtools=0)9:12 They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it. The King James Version (Authorized) (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Information/KingJamesVersion.html)

The King James Version (Authorized) http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/audio-bible.pl?translation=kjv&title=Psalms%2034:20&file=Psalm_034&start=93.32&end=96.75)http://img.crosswalk.com/spacer.gifPsalms 34 Read This Chapter (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=ps+34&version=kjv&showtools=0)34:20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken. The King James Version (Authorized) (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Information/KingJamesVersion.html)
The King James Version (Authorized) http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/audio-bible.pl?translation=kjv&title=John%2019:37&file=John_019&start=303.69&end=308.92)http://img.crosswalk.com/spacer.gifJohn 19 Read This Chapter (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=joh+19&version=kjv&showtools=0)19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. The King James Version (Authorized) (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Information/KingJamesVersion.html)

John 19:37

The King James Version (Authorized) http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/audio-bible.pl?translation=kjv&title=Zechariah%2012:10&file=Zechariah_012&start=91.97&end=110.41)http://img.crosswalk.com/spacer.gifZechariah 12 Read This Chapter (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=zec+12&version=kjv&showtools=0)12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. The King James Version (Authorized) (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Information/KingJamesVersion.html)

The King James Version (Authorized) http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/audio-bible.pl?translation=kjv&title=Revelation%201:7&file=Revelation_001&start=67.02&end=80.83)http://img.crosswalk.com/spacer.gifRevelation 1 Read This Chapter (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=re+1&version=kjv&showtools=0)1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. The King James Version (Authorized) (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Information/KingJamesVersion.html)

Momof5
Feb 17th 2007, 12:47 AM
John 19:31 Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

They did not want to break the Law so they asked that their legs be broken so they would die quicker - Deuteronomy 21: 22) If a man has committed a sin deserving death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23) his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God.

Debra R
Feb 19th 2007, 02:25 AM
John Gill's Exposition John 19

Verse 31. The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation,.... That is, either of the passover, as in John 19:14 which was the Chagigah or grand festival in which they offered their peace offerings and slew their oxen, and feasted together in great mirth and jollity; or of the sabbath, the evening of it, or day before it, as in Mr 15:42
that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day; which was now drawing near: according to the Jewish law, Deuteronomy 21:22 the body of one that was hanged on a tree was not to remain all night, but to be taken down that day and buried; though this was not always observed; see 2 Samuel 21:9. What was the usage of the Jews at this time is not certain; according to the Roman laws, such bodies hung until they were putrefied, or eaten by birds of prey; wherefore that their land might not be defiled, and especially their sabbath, by their remaining on the cross, they desire to have them taken down:
for that sabbath day was an high day; it was not only a sabbath, and a sabbath in the passover week, but it was the day in which all the people appeared and presented themselves before the Lord in the temple, and the sheaf of the first fruits was offered up; all which solemnities meeting together made it a very celebrated day: it is in the original text, "it was the great day of the sabbath"; which is the language of the Talmudists, and who say {d}, "lwdgh tbv arqn "is called the great sabbath," on account of the miracle or sign of the passover;" and in the Jewish Liturgy {e} there is a collect for the "great sabbath": hence the Jews pretending a great concern lest that day should be polluted, though they made no conscience of shedding innocent blood,
besought Pilate that their legs might be broken; which was the manner of the Jews {f}, partly to hasten death, since, according to their law, the body was to betaken down before night; and partly that it might be a clear point that the person was rightly executed; for this was not the Roman custom, with whom breaking of the legs, or rather thighs, was a distinct punishment, and was done by laying a man's legs or thighs upon an anvil, and striking them with an hammer {g}; which could not be the case here; this seems to have been done by striking the legs of those that were crucified, which were fastened to the cross, with a bar of iron, or some such instrument. Nonnus suggests that their legs were cut off with a saw or sword; but the former seems more reasonable:
and that they might be taken away; which it seems the Jews had not power to do, but must be done by the Roman soldiers, or by leave at least from the Roman governor; and therefore they make their request to him.

Verse 32. Then came the soldiers,.... Pilate having granted the Jews what they desired; either the soldiers that crucified Christ, and the others with him, and watched their bodies, being ordered by Pilate, went from the place where they sat; or a fresh company, which were sent for this purpose, came from the city:
and brake the legs of the first; they came unto, which whether it was he that was crucified on his right hand, and was the penitent believer in him, as some have thought, is not certain:
and of the other which was crucified with him; who, if the former is true, must be he that reviled him; and was this their position, it was a lively emblem of the last day, when the sheep shall stand at the right, and the goats on the left hand of Christ.


Verse 33. But when they came to Jesus,.... Whom they passed by before, and now returned to; this they did not out of tenderness to him, but that he might be the longer in his torture, and whom they reserved till last, that they might use him with the greater cruelty and barbarity:
and saw that he was dead already; as they might, from the bowing down of his head, the ghastliness of his countenance, the falling of his jaws, and other signs:
they brake not his legs; there being no occasion for it, nor would it have answered any end, were they ever so spiteful and malicious against him; though the true reason was, and which restrained them from it, divine providence would not suffer them to do it.

Debra R
Feb 19th 2007, 02:27 AM
Verse 34. But one of the soldiers,.... Whose name some pretend to say was Longinns, and so called from the spear with which he pierced Christ:
with a spear pierced his side; his left side, where the heart lies; though the painters make this wound on the right, and the Arabic version of Erpenius, as cited by Dr. Lightfoot, adds the word "right" to make the miracle the greater: this the soldier did, partly out of spite to Christ, and partly to know whether he was really dead; and which was so ordered by divine providence, that it might beyond all doubt appear that he really died, and was not taken down alive from the cross; so that there might be no room to call in question the truth of his resurrection, when he should appear alive again:
and forthwith came there out blood and water; this is accounted for in a natural way by the piercing of the "pericardium," which contains a small quantity of water about the heart, and which being pierced, a person, if alive, must inevitably die; but it seems rather to be something supernatural, from the asseverations the evangelist makes. This water and blood some make to signify baptism and the Lord's supper, which are both of Christ's appointing, and spring from him, and refer to his sufferings and death; rather they signify the blessings of sanctification and justification, the grace of the one being represented by water, as it frequently is in the Old and New Testament, and the other by blood, and both from Christ: that Christ was the antitype of the rock in the wilderness, the apostle assures us, in 1 Corinthians 10:4 and if the Jews are to be believed, he was so in this instance; Jonathan ben Uzziel, in his Targum on Numbers 20:11 says that "Moses smote the rock twice, at the first time amda tpyja, "blood dropped out": and at the second time abundance of waters flowed out." The same is affirmed by others {h} elsewhere in much the same words and order.

Verse 35. And he that saw it, bare record,.... Meaning himself, John the evangelist, the writer of this Gospel, who, in his great modesty, frequently conceals himself, under one circumlocution or another; he was an eyewitness of this fact, not only of the piercing of his side with a spear, but of the blood and water flowing out of it; which he saw with his eyes, and bore record of to others, and by this writing; and was ready to attest it in any form it should be desired:
and his record is true; though it is not mentioned by any of the other evangelists, none of them but himself being present at that time:
and he knoweth that he saith true; meaning either God or Christ, who knew all things; and so it is a sort of appeal to God or Christ, for the truth of what he affirmed, as some think; or rather himself, who was fully assured that he was under no deception, and was far from telling an untruth; having seen the thing done with his eyes, and being led into the mystery of it by the Divine Spirit; see 1 John 5:6 wherefore he could, and did declare it with the strongest asseverations:
that ye might believe; the truth of the fact, and in Christ, both for the expiation of the guilt of sin, and cleansing from the filth of it; both for sanctifying and justifying grace, which the water and the blood were an emblem of.

Verse 36. For these things were done,.... The not breaking his bones and piercing his side, and that not by chance, and without design; but,
that the Scripture should be fulfilled, a bone of him shall not be broken; referring either to Psalm 34:20 he keepeth all his bones, not one of them is broken; which if to be understood of the righteous in general, had a very particular and remarkable accomplishment in Christ; though a certain single person seems to be designed; nor is it true in fact of every righteous man, some of whom have had their bones broken; and such a sense would lead to despair in case of broken bones; for whereas such a calamity befalls them, as well as wicked men, under such an affliction, they might be greatly distressed, and from hence be ready to conclude, that they are not righteous persons, and are not under the care and protection of God, or otherwise this promise would be made good: nor have the words any respect to the resurrection of the dead, as if the sense of it was, that none of the bones of the righteous shall be finally broken; and though they may be broken by men, and in their sight, yet the Lord will raise them again, and restore them whole and perfect at the general resurrection; for this will be true of the wicked, as well as of the righteous: and much less is the meaning of the words, one of his bones shall not be broken, namely, the bone "luz," the Jews speak of; which, they say {i}, remains uncorrupted in the grave, and is so hard that it cannot be softened by water, nor burnt in the fire, nor ground in the mill, nor broke with an hammer; by and from which God will raise the whole body at the last day: but the words are to be understood of Christ, he is the poor man that is particularly pointed at in Psalm 34:6 who, was poor in his state of humiliation, and who cried unto the Lord, and he heard him, and saved him; and he is the righteous one, whose afflictions were many, and out of which the Lord delivered him, Psalm 34:19 whose providential care of him was very particular and remarkable; he kept his bones from being broken, when others were; and by this incident this passage had its literal fulfilment in him: or else it may refer to the passover lamb, a type of Christ, 1 Corinthians 5:7 a bone of which was not to be broken, Exodus 12:46.
The former of these passages is a command, in the second person, to the Israelites, concerning the paschal lamb, "neither shall ye break a bone thereof"; and the latter is delivered in the third person, "nor shall they break any bone of it"; which may be rendered impersonally, "a bone of it, or of him, shall not be broken; or a bone shall not be broken in him"; and so the Syriac and Persic versions read the words here; and in some copies it is, "a bone shall not be broken from him"; and so read the Vulgate Latin and Ethiopic versions; and he that violated this precept, according to the traditions of the Jews, was to be beaten. Maimonides {k} says, "he that breaks a bone in a pure passover, lo, he is to be beaten, as it is said, "and a bone ye shall not break in it": and so it is said of the second passover, "and a bone ye shall not break in it"; but a passover which comes with uncleanness, if a man breaks a bone in it, he is not to be beaten: from the literal sense it may be learned, that a bone is not to be broken, whether in a pure or defiled passover: one that breaks a bone on the night of the fifteenth, or that breaks a bone in it within the day, or that breaks one after many days, lo, he is to be beaten; wherefore they burn the bones of the passover in general, with what is left of its flesh, that they may not come to damage: none are guilty but for the breaking of a bone on which there is flesh of the quantity of an olive, or in which there is marrow; but a bone in which there is no marrow, and on which there is no flesh of the quantity of an olive, a man is not guilty for breaking it; and if there is flesh upon it of such a quantity, and he breaks the bone in the place where there is no flesh, he is guilty, although the place which he breaks is quite bare of its flesh: he that breaks after (another) has broken, is to be beaten."
And with these rules agree the following canons {l}, "the bones and sinews, and what is left, they burn on the sixteenth day, but if that falls on the sabbath, they burn them on the seventeenth, because these do not drive away the sabbath or a feast day." And so it fell out this year in which Christ suffered, for the sixteenth was the sabbath day: again, "he that breaks a bone in a pure passover, lo, he is to be beaten with forty stripes; but he that leaves anything in a pure one, and breaks in an impure one, is not to be beaten with forty stripes;" yea, they say {m}, though "it was a little kid and tender, and whose bones are tender, they may not eat them; for this is breaking of the bone, and if he eats he is to be beaten, for it is the same thing whether a hard or a tender bone be broken." Now in this as in many other respects the paschal lamb was a type of Christ, whose bones were none of them to be broken, to show that his life was not taken away by men, but was laid down freely by himself; and also the unbroken strength of Christ under the weight of sin, the curse of the law, and wrath of God, and conflict with Satan, when he obtained eternal redemption for us: and also this was on account of his resurrection from the dead, which was to be in a few days; though had his bones been broken he could easily have restored them, but it was the will of God it should be otherwise. Moreover, as none of the bones of his natural body were to be broken, so none that are members of him in a spiritual sense, who are bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh, shall ever be lost.

Debra R
Feb 19th 2007, 02:44 AM
I thought John Gill's Exposition is a good read, very informative even though it is long. :)

Here are the last verses......

38 After these things Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but a secret one for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate granted permission. So he came and took away His body.

39 Nicodemus, who had first come to Him by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds weight.

40 So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews.

41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid.

42 Therefore because of the Jewish day of preparation, since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.

Momof5
Feb 20th 2007, 03:23 PM
I thought John Gill's Exposition is a good read, very informative even though it is long.

I agree....I got a lot out of it.:)

38 After these things Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but a secret one for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate granted permission. So he came and took away His body.

Cross references for Joseph of Arimathea - Matthew 27:57- Now when evening had come, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus.

Mark 15:43 - Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.

Luke 23: 50) Now behold, there was a man named Joseph, a council member, a good and just man. 51) He had not consented to their decision and deed. He was from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who himself was also waiting for the kingdom of God.

39 Nicodemus, who had first come to Him by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds weight.

I always think of John, chapter 3, when thinking of Nicodemus, who Jesus called a "teacher of the Jews." When he came to Jesus, Jesus taught the teacher. Nicodemus allowed his ignorance to show and learned the truth in the process.

Both of these men openly identified themselves with Jesus at this time! I wonder how that affected their standing in the community and position in the council.....

40 So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews.

41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid.

42 Therefore because of the Jewish day of preparation, since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.

Isaiah 53:9 - And they made His grave with the wicked - But with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.

Matthew 27: 59) When Joseph had taken the body he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60) and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and departed.

I have learned so much in this chapter! Only two more to go, ladies....

Debra R
Feb 21st 2007, 12:21 PM
:hug: I will try to start the next chapter after work this evening.

Love you,
Deb

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