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That's completely right --- John1:13 says begottenness is NOTHING of men.

...but John1:12 says becoming adopted is granted to those WHO believe and receive Jesus.

You're taking that out of...

You know, there is a profound truth behind your words --- LOVE is not a FEELING. That's why it's called a "COMMITMENT"!


God has asserted His COMMITMENT to us (Heb13:5); the times when we do not...

That's eisegesis[/quote]No, it would be eisegesis to inject that one must therefore be born-of-God IN ORDER TO believe.

He who is believing (present tense), is/has-been/was born of God. You're...

No; doubt is not to be feared. "Doubt" and "dark-night-of-the-soul" are parallel. It needs not lead us away from Jesus, but can lead us closer to Him.

There are four forces in a man's life; God,...

Very, very true; doubt is part of the Human equation. Every believer has times of doubt; even the must successful evangelist. Have you ever read "A Celebration of Discipline", by Richard Foster? ...

Hi, Nick.

Have you and I agreed on much on these forums?

Well, I agree with this post. Well said!

:-)

It was an appropriate comment. You said:



Implied in that is the thought that you can't really know until that moment.

I hope you and I agree that salvation was purchased by Jesus on the...

Question --- in Luke8:13 are those who received the word with JOY, and BELIEVED. Clearly they thought they were saved.

...but they later fell away, because of temptation/affliction/persecution...

Really? Until then you live in fear (terror)?

I never said otherwise. You continue to read things into my posts which I never said[/quote]It's not an issue of "reading-into-your-post"; but rather, the command to love God is incompatible with a...

What I've come to understand from Scripture overlaps perspectives like Arminianism (not all points), some Lutheranism, and not many Calvinisms at all. ;-)

The "same chance or given-ability as one...

Then correct me --- I promise I won't get offended. How is what I said not what you believe?

In what you quoted from me, are seven verse citations. Do I perceive any (or all) of them wrongly?
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Hi, Smiley. Welcome. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/grinser/grinning-smiley-039.gif

Have you read the other posts in this thread? What do you think of Rom11:32 ("mercy on ALL MEN"),...

How can you separate "believing God" (which means receiving Jesus and the Spirit in complete reverent submission), from "loving God" (which means also believing and receiving Jesus)? If belief is a...

I don't understand the question; her "adoption", was a little like a "second birth". I say "a little like" --- because in the adoption to GOD, we really die and are born new.


"If anyone be in...

Most everyone agrees with "total depravity". But total inability --- Scripture plainly states that God draws everyone to the very door, and each choose to enter in or not. Acts17:26-31.

Men do...

"Adoption" is "born-again", is "begotten-of-God", is "born-from-above", is "born-again". Is all after belief...

I look forward to your thoughts on the other thread. Here, I'd like to ask you...

You're not consistent, Wordsmith. On the other thread you said;

The positions of "loving God" and "believing" are equivalent; if God BORNS-US-AGAIN and belief irresistibly FOLLOWS (which is...

Really? You acknowledge that the right to become adopted children is granted after (and because of belief), rather than decided by God before time?

What are your thoughts on Rom8:28 --- "Those...

I'm still not fully understanding what you believe, Wordsmith. One can say "the decision is our choice", but qualify that to himself that "belief/faith is GIFTED by God to a FEW PREDESTINED". So...

6) "He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,
27) that they would seek God,...

Well, it was established with passages like Ex9:34-10:1. Pharaoh wasn't hardened twice.

As you remember, me not being an expert in Hebrew, I deferred to the lexicon & commentaries; which...

In the words of Judy Tenuta, "It could hyappen!"

You remind me strongly of Rom5:17-19. Condemnation came to all men; but to be condemned men must sin --- Rom5:12 says all men meet the condition. ...

Equally, if a "literary device" is established, then it's consistent to apply it to the same wording elsewhere.

For instance, the Greek meaning of "IF HE COULD", is clear in Acts20:16 for "ei...

No, no "amen", freyed knot. (Oops, different joke...)


"but these have been written SO THAT YOU MAY BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His...

(And you for yours!)
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Last week I went pigeon huntin' with my new bird-dog?
Darnit, he flew away!

Ahhh --- I-oughta' knowed that already.

Y'all.

:-P


(PS --- which letter is "Smidgeon"?)

Does "faith-to-salvation" come before, or after "born-again"?

I've never met anyone who denies that "born-again" coexists with "made-alive/have-life"; that is, one cannot be "born-again" without...

Well, Scripture says "SAVE YOURSELVES" (1Tim4:16), and "save OTHERS" (Jude23), and "make for YOURSELVES a new heart and a new spirit" (Ezk18:32); when we all know only GOD can do that. But in those...

Can't be --- the right to become children of God is not granted until after believing and receiving Jesus. John1:12.

The begottenness is all of God and nothing of us (John1:13), but we don't get...