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Hello Nick,

I know you've already got some answers to this question, now here is mine. And I really would like for you to answer this post. You quoted Isa. 6:9-10 and then said that you "would...

And to add... check out Acts 7:51, Matt 23:37, and Rev. 2:21 (among others I could cite). How are we to understand such if people don't have the ability to choose?

So then in what sense did they appear glorified with Christ?

So you are saying that their future state was unknown and indeterminable?

Hello BD (and Aijilon)

I just wanted to address BD's definition of corporate election; BD's definition might be misleading. Corporate election is not about God choosing anyone (no particular...

So how then did Moses and Elijah appear with Jesus on the mountain? Was not this before said events?

Yea, I'm not jumping into this discussion, but Jesus gave His life so that we could live. That is why they call it sacrifice. He sacrificed His life to save others. There is no greater love than...

I understand what you are saying, and have underlined your final phrase. Here is a question for you. Do you see the parable of the unforgiven servant in Matthew 18 as having any relevance?

Hello LookingUp,

You would have to clear this up with Gadget (for I do not know what he may or may not have said) but it seems you are saying that certain OSAS persons have stated that before...

BINGO! The Greek here indicates that this was an active, moral decision on Judas' part - betraying and abandoning Christ is moral transgression - which is why many translations read as they do.

Hello BD,

I find it kind of ironic that you quote a verse (Isa. 55:8) which in context speaks of God's open call to repentance while you seem to assume that it implies support for your view of...

Well, I would fall back on my earlier post then. I think your understanding of what 'sealed' (by the Spirit) means is not correct. You are thinking 'sealed' as in an unbreakable barrier, while I...

Hello LookingUp,

Since I haven't been following along, maybe I have missed something; it seems you are saying/implying that being 'sealed' by the Spirit somehow means protection from 'falling...

Hello BD,

Here is something to think about; Acts 1:25 says that Judas fell away by transgression... first, one can not 'fall away' from something they were never a part of, and 2nd, it was through...

Well, I would agree the "logically inconsistent" aspect. ;)

Hello LookingUp,

I haven't been following along this discussion lately, but I rather suspect that I would disagree with your understanding of being 'sealed'. I suspect that you understand...

Sometimes I still get upset over the small stuff, so don't think you are alone. But I think big tests are coming for a great many of us, and perhaps God was preparing me for what is coming in my...

Well as Job's wife suggested, you could curse God and die, but that is probably not a good idea. I did get very angry with God, very angry, but I never turned away from Him. I knew He was the...

Yes, I could say the same... been better, but still hangin' on. God is good and life is good - considering what the alternatives could be. It is good to see you back.

It is late, but I look forward to replying to this post.

Hello,

So what is so vague? We are not Christ, so His relationship with the Father is not the same as ours. (And let's remember that He is the Father in a very real sense.) He is a natural Son;...

Good for you. I too was led by false teachers many years ago- or rather I had false teachers who tired to lead me astray, but I recognized what they were up to, so I left them.

Yes, the whole describes how this view fits scripture "on the whole". What one should look for is that understanding (as concerning election) which best fits scripture "on the whole".

Good to see that you are still around. So how have you been?

Hello Nick,

I was diagnosed with a form of chronic leukemia in 2006, I went through 6 months of chemo in 2007, and almost died in 2008. There is a lot I could talk about, but 2008 was not a good...

Well, this is a difficult subject. As one who has gone through something like this, I would say that I could not imagine ever being as whole again as I am right now. (But my earthly prognosis is -...

Hey there Aijalon,

Yes, the corporate view of election is not easy for some to grasp - they are just not used to thinking that way, but I maintain that it is well supported by scripture. And I am...

So what is your understanding of that phrase... "chosen from the foundation of the world"? Who or what was chosen, and how? What is the "plain understanding" of this phrase that you have in mind?

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Hello Aijalon,

I have been busy this weekend, but I will try to get a response out tonight. (But I first have a family dinner to attend.)

So what is your understanding of that phrase... "chosen from the foundation of the world"? Who or what was chosen, and how? What is the "plain understanding" of this phrase that you have in mind?
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