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4... Right hand "side" of God the Father is yet another conceptual inference of rote indoctrination and is not in scripture.

Emotion over scripture? No thanx.

God didn't abandon them. He sent the prophesied Messiah. They are in unbelief, trusting flesh rather than God.

Gentiles were grafted in. All adherents to Judaism can repent according to the...

Yes, and that greater love is why He laid down His own (psuche) life. For all who believe, repent, confess.

The arrogance isn't in proclaiming this truth of the Gospel. The arrogance is in...

And this is EXACTLY how Dispensationalism diminshes the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His shed blood in inspired scripture.

There is no backup plan for anyone. God came in the likeness of sinful...

One doesn't have to be an "amazing Christian" to "honestly say without a shadow of a doubt"... that every adherent to Judaism, regardless of ethnicity or any other factor, who dies without Jesus will...

I've not ever been too intense about Molinism, but it's essentially specific and intricate Arminianism. I think middle knowledge is a problematic concept. Open Theism is just untenable.

I don't...

The whole concept of omniscience includes complete and exhaustive knowledge of every possible potential eventuality or condition that ultimately results in reality. Interacting and intervening and...

It doesn't mean Time = God. It means Time is LIKE or AS God by being inherently eternal and uncreated.

I can't justify or reconcile anything else being uncreated and co-equal or co-eternal with...

This has a contrived premise by equating God's own transcendent existence with created temporal existence. God's existence is ontologically inherent. He is I AM. To add time is to take away from...

No. I don't agree that the past includes God's utterly and absolutely transcendent existence, from which the Divine Utterance created all existence, including time to measure it. God's transcendent...

Lotsa time needs to be spent on developing and/or understanding a view of metaphysical reality, whatever that view is. Since many are equating a "place" called eternity with God and His presence,...

Nope. :-)



You're forgetting one eensy-weensy tiny little thing. We will live eternally in a CREATED spiritual realm that came into existence at the Divine Utterance. God is inherently...

Okay. You realize that's been my position all along, right?

Those are each/all inherently part OF God. (Did you really just ask that?) Time isn't part OF God, though that's why some consider Open Theism to be a form of Panentheism.

Whether the future is open/undetermined or closed/determined would need to come AFTER assessing whether time is created or uncreated. Now opinions and preferences have moved beyond objective to...

As with doctrine, I don't define; insted preferring to work with existing definitions based on language or etymology resources. Since this time topic isn't an issue for me, I've never had to have a...

I certainly don't concur with that definition or the resulting inference. Time is created and had a beginning. Everything is external to God and created.

No big deal, though. Since when have...

Easy Capeezy. :-)

No. God is self-existent. He IS existence. Existence came from Him at the Divine Utterance of the Logos. Nothing would exist without Him, but everything exists external to Him.



I didn't...

Is it not contrary to presume time is eternally pre-existent and uncreated?

So... the sovereign collective will of mankind determines the inherently indefinite future? I just can't go there.
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He Himself is self-existent. All other existence external to Him... Yes. There is only created and uncreated unless someone has a middle ground.

It would seem the key foundational question to answer before any of this is... Is time created or uncreated?

I think it's quite an easy answer, since God alone is uncreated.

Um... Yeah, ...and? Are you saying time IS uncreated?



Yes, of course. Only God is uncreated, including His Spirit and His Logos.



I understand this is your perspective. I agree to...

Yes.



Scripture doesn't teach that time is uncreated.



I'm not, but why should we assume time is uncreated, thus having no beginning and being inherently eternal LIKE God or AS God?

Because time/space/matter are not uncreated, and are not God. What do you mean by "He spoke time" if it's not created? See my posts in this and the other 2 threads.



Within time, He will...

And yet... You hold to quite a precise view of the Godhead that has Him nicely boxed up. Inconsistent. Take God out of the doctrine box if you're gonna resign to mystery about all else.

Time is...

And yet... You hold to quite a precise view of the Godhead that has Him nicely boxed up. Inconsistent. Take God out of the doctrine box if you're gonna resign to mystery about all else.

Time is...

FINALLY!!!! A Trinitarian actually admits Trinity can't be "proven" correct! F-I-N-A-L-L-Y!!

ROFLOL. You and most of the rest of Christendom. :-)



"Where" is the Father shown to be?



But I'm not a Trinitarian with tenets to uphold like co-equality, etc. I hold that God is...