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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Aijalon,

    The Jubilee begins both "segments" of the 7 and 62 weeks.

    In other words, Gabriel is letting us know about the Jubilee by "segmenting" the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks. However, this...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    (this is the continuation of the last post . . .)



    But Brother,

    Did not Gabriel indicate the following? Here we go:
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    Hi Brother, :)

    Well, Jesus Christ is talking in those verses; do you agree? Jesus read His Bible, you know:



    Yep.

    All things which are written about Jesus Messiah to be fulfilled within...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    However, Jesus said the following:



    And the phrase "seal up vision and prophesy" refers to the reality that our Jesus died and rose again the third day to bodily immortality; this happened...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Hi Brother,

    I had been fellowshipping with Vakeros in several posts apropos the notion that there is no such thing as a "7-year tribulation" of any kind; he asked about whether the "6 things" of...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    LOL :)

    Hi divaD,

    Well, the reapers are the ones who do the separation at harvest time, and not you or I, yes? And apparently, the reapers are angels--and possess sufficient skill to tell the...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Well, remember that the Kingdom of heaven is a DOMAIN (or Realm) over which the KING/PRIEST Jesus Christ is ruling.

    Yep.

    And this DOMAIN contains "good fish" (righteous people) and "bad fish"...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Dearest Saints,

    The following parable from Jesus Christ Himself should guide us in obtaining appropriate interpretations of II Thess. 1:6-10 and similar scriptures:



    Now, I am sure that you...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Dearest Saints,

    How will the unbelieving survive the following (in bold)?
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Thanks Vakeros,

    So, if the 70-weeks of years from Gabriel includes "Daniel's people" being right with God and so on, then how will the 70-weeks ever end (as you would say)? After all, there are...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Hi Vakeros,

    Well, some people of Israel have not exercised faith in the blood of Christ Jesus already and died in their sin already; do they get another opportunity at faith later on? Can you...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Hi Aviyah,

    Welcome to the forum! We are so glad that you are here! :hug:

    Well, this thread is about "challenging" the notion of a "7 Year Tribulation" and so on, so I have been mentioning...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    But Aviyah,

    How can there be any DEATH after the Second Coming of Christ? Here's what Jesus said:



    After all, the "1000 years" has death everywhere:
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Vakeros,

    No, no, no, Jesus has not completed everything; this is true. But everything that was prophesied for Jesus to do within 70-weeks of earth time per the Daniel 9 prophesy was completed in...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    (this is the continuation of the last post . . .)

    And so, I have been seeking to accomplish "a mighty tall order" in this thread; namely, to indicate that the "6 things" of Daniel 9:24 have been...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    (this is the continuation of the last post . . .)

    Now the phrase "sealing up vision and prophesy" is critical in the "6 things" of Dan. 9:24; we have come to an agreement (of sorts) on this--as...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Vakeros,

    I mentioned this sentence in a previous post; you agreed with it (yes, I am quoting myself again):



    And the scriptures above come from John and Peter. Indeed, John is explicit in...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Let's see . . .

    Vakeros,

    It seems clear that the "rest of the dead" of Rev. 20:5 do not live again until the "1000 years" are over. And that would mean that the VISION that John saw is...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Another thought . . . :hmm:

    But if the exact date for construction and destruction of Jerusalem and the sanctuary is not in this passage below, well . . . let's see: maybe we should think about...
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    This . . . :yes:

    :amen:
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    But Vakeros,

    Do we not both agree on this part of the 70-weeks prophesy--that Christ dies after week 62? Here we go:



    Yep. That's the death of the Messiah Jesus; He was therefore a mortal...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    :hmm:

    Vakeros,

    It seems that it might be useful to review the impact of the greek word "katargeó" on this set of verses below (especially the text in underlined bold):



    OK. The text...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Vakeros,

    But Jesus' Kingdom is here in the earth already; it is being administered from the right hand of the Father in heaven, and it affects the earth right now while Jesus is in heaven as...
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    Thanks Vakeros,

    But it seems that decrees are necessary before any construction or destruction can occur; this is all that I am saying. Notice the words in bold below:



    Yep.

    And so, the...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    But Vakeros,

    A critical reason that "armies surrounding Jerusalem" in Luke 21 below refers to the "abomination that makes desolate" in the parallel passages below is because Jesus is speaking:

    ...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    (this is the continuation of the last post . . .)



    Vakeros,

    But the Abomination of Desolation has been seen already; notice the passages below:
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    Well, it is dealing with Daniels' people; this is true. And the city and sanctuary is indeed part of that; Jesus is indeed speaking to the city and about the sanctuary here below indeed:


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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    And all of these things of the King/Priest aspect of Jesus Messiah have been done already--or Jesus is not Immortal.

    (go to the next post . . .)[/QUOTE]



    LOL

    Dearest Vakeros,
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Vakeros,

    Let's go back a bit to what we agree on: it seems that we are saying the same thing--that all things which are written about Jesus Messiah to be fulfilled within 70 weeks of years have...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    But Vakeros,

    Is not the 70-weeks prophesy dealing specifically with decrees and determinations of construction and destruction of Jerusalem and its sanctuary--and within the 70-weeks clock? Words...
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