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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Just to add to this, Ezekiel refers to a temple that exists and is purified, and then only does the presence of God enter:
    43:4 And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate...
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    Re: Great wrath upom this people

    That is what I am saying. When Matthew and Luke were writing about Jesus words, they both quoted the same wording (pregnant woman, flee from Judea), but the wording could apply to both 70AD and the...
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    Re: Great wrath upom this people

    You may not like my explanation, but I believe you cannot put too much weight on a duplication of terminology.

    v23 There will be great distress and wrath for Jews (up to 70AD)
    v24 Followed by...
  4. Poll: Discussion Re: Matthew 25: End of the World or End of the Age?

    Will just have to disagree then, I believe the physical and the spiritual do relate, the lake of fire is an actual physical place, and its possible that nations become lakes of fire that individuals...
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    Please Help Re: who is the rider on the white horse?

    I just read this now, and see its very similar to my beliefs, where did you get this from? I worked it out myself and so am surprised someone else has similar beliefs:
    Christendom (Crusaders - West)...
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    Please Help Re: who is the rider on the white horse?

    There isn't enough information in the bible to give a definite answer. I personally believe in two principles regarding symbolism of countries
    1) the bible uses animals to represent kingdoms...
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    Re: Isaiah 2:4...

    The second coming is still to occur, this is when Jesus comes on the clouds in glory and the church is resurrected forever, and the kingdoms of this world are removed. Yes the church age ends with...
  8. Poll: Discussion Re: Matthew 25: End of the World or End of the Age?

    If the city where I stay starts cracking up and falling into wells of burning lava and burning oil, then the city has actually been cast into lakes of fire. I see that as a very literal fulfilment. ...
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    Re: Isaiah 2:4...

    The last days are the church age until the second coming. At the end of the "last days" is the second coming when many things change.
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    Information Re: Where is Babylon in Revelation?

    Rev 17:18 defines the city:
    17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth (Greek: the kings of the land)

    At the time this was written, Rome...
  11. Poll: Discussion Re: Matthew 25: End of the World or End of the Age?

    You do have a point here, and you have mentioned this before, but due to the fact that the other explanations for Matthew 25 do not fit well either , I am still open to this "nations" explanation.
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    I guess that's what Israel was doing for 1000 years before Jesus came. Only a remnant followed the truth when under pressure, the rest were "holy" through their sacrifices and yet did not listen to...
  13. Poll: Discussion Re: Matthew 25: End of the World or End of the Age?

    I agree with most of what you say here, we are only judged for our good deeds, this is a separate judgment to receive crowns and rewards when we are presented as holy before the Father. I do see the...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    Yes I also don't quite see the point, but this is what I believe these verses and Rev 20 are pointing to, a period of comparitive blessing for unsaved mortals after the day of the Lord. I may not...
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    Poll: Re: The Prince that shall come?

    I feel that if the translators chose to say "he" at first, then later refer to a "desolator" , then they have chosen to give the impression of two characters, because this is the impression they have...
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    Poll: Re: The Prince that shall come?

    You keep referring to the KJV, but you may not be aware that most English translations separate the identity of the one who confirms the covenant and the one who sets up the abomination. I don't see...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    I believe Christ's sacrifice will remain adequate for eternity only for those who embraced it before the second coming. I believe the second coming is the great cut-off moment. I believe those...
  18. Poll: Discussion Re: Matthew 25: End of the World or End of the Age?

    There are 3 parables, if the wording of the first two are referring to individuals, and the wording of the third is referring to nations, then the context surely speaks for itself?

    Yes you have...
  19. Poll: Discussion Re: Matthew 25: End of the World or End of the Age?

    So are you saying that the goats/sheep judgment is after the rapture, and this judgment is to separate all those unsaved who are left behind - separated as either sheep or goats according to their...
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    I don't see it turning out that way. I just don't see Jesus resurrecting some "servants of God" at the rapture to then condemn them as well.
    The only two explanations that i see as possible so...
  21. Re: Anyone think Christ's return will for sure occur in the 21st century?

    That is true, but I feel it will be obvious to those who are attentive.
  22. Poll: Discussion Re: Matthew 25: End of the World or End of the Age?

    There are two gatherings, the gathering of the tares/offenders, and the gathering of the elect as per the "rapture" verse in post 8.

    The rapture is when we, the righteous, are forever separated...
  23. Poll: Discussion Re: Matthew 25: End of the World or End of the Age?

    I believe the greatest judgment on mankind does not occur in any throne-room. Jesus and the angels simply gather the saints, dead and alive, and in this manner and moment all mankind over the ages is...
  24. Re: How could the early church have been so wise already?

    Cool! For the record I also believe Daniel 7 is referring to the second advent so I'm glad someone else agrees with that. I feel its the most obvious interpretation and other interpretations are a...
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    Discussion Re: The Identity of the Beast: Nero?

    Well you don't really seem to want to discuss the details, but Rome cant be both the beast and the woman. Rome is certainly the beast of Daniel 7, but is not the beast of Rev 13/17, no matter how...
  26. Poll: Discussion Re: Matthew 25: End of the World or End of the Age?

    The true judgment on who is worthy of eternal life occurs at the resurrection, the righteous rise up to meet Jesus in the clouds, the unrighteous are left behind. So Matthew 25 is difficult to...
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    Discussion Re: 7 Year Tribulation Challenged

    My purpose was to emphasize that sacrifices for sin have some value, otherwise God would not require it.
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    Poll: Re: The Prince that shall come?

    I didn't fully understand what you are saying here, to me if the translations separate the identity of the two characters, this remains a possibility. But for the record Cyberseeker and myself do not...
  29. Re: Anyone think Christ's return will for sure occur in the 21st century?

    9.5 or higher (eg the 1960 Chile quake). There is no way Jesus would have been giving confusing signs, the obvious meaning is that we are looking for earthquakes that are blatantly greater than the...
  30. Re: Anyone think Christ's return will for sure occur in the 21st century?

    I'm reserving my judgment, it could happen, but maybe not. I'm waiting for the big earthquakes to come first. Until then we must preach the gospel to all nations, cos there's no second coming until...
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