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  1. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    Now back to more recent things...



    You always fail to read things in context. I think that's the problem. You deliberately ignored this statement which explained the meaning of the former...
  2. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    ...and how did we receive that something in common? Was it freely given, or did we attain it by works?



    I do know that there are some who do not know good and evil because of some kind of...
  3. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    Is this where salvation ends, we're just counted righteous and nothing else? No heart change, no inward transformation resulting in outward change, just forgiven and counted righteous and then left...
  4. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    yes and they sought it from God. Remember David saying "create in me a clean heart"?



    Maybe you are lacking an understanding of the various ways the preposition "in" is used.
    ...
  5. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    The problem is that you are affixing an incorrect definition of the word imparted righteousness. This is what I mean by "imparted righteousness.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imparted_righteousness...
  6. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    Offered Grace- Drawing of God-conviction ( John 6:44)
    Received Grace- Imputed righteousness- Justification ( Romans 4:3)
    Transforming Grace-Imparted righteousness-Sanctification (1 Peter 1:2 )...
  7. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    Noeb, you are still not following. There is nothing in salvation that we do not receive by faith. Just because we receive and walk in righteousness, does not mean it is not imparted by God. We also...
  8. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    I agree with this statement, except I would add the indwelling of God is also part of the source. We not only have relationship and fellowship with God, we also have his very life in us.



    I...
  9. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    Praise the LORD! I am glad we are in agreement on this. I know some who do not believe this, and it grieves my heart.

    Jesus is the LORD our Righteousness.
  10. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    Inability is a reality, for we can not attain to righteousness in our own strength.

    Personal righteousness is attained by

    the love of God shed abroad in our heart by God( Romans 5:5),
    having...
  11. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    Whether or not that is true, everyone who is old enough to believe and receive the gospel has already sinned, and is therefore already affected by sin. That's why Romans 3:23 says "all have sinned"...
  12. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    The passage in Romans 8 is talking about everyone who does not have the Spirit. Read it in context.

    The passage in James is talking to Christians who are not walking in a manner worthy of their...
  13. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    The definition of good will is

    1. An attitude of kindness or friendliness; benevolence.
    2. Cheerful acquiescence or willingness.
    3. A good relationship, as of a business with its customers or...
  14. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    If Christ had not died, we would still be in a state of emnity against God. It is the cross that slays the emnity.



    Romans 10: 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and...
  15. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    So the answer to the first is an outright no, and the answer to the second is "depends on how you define enabling grace"? So you would sooner admit that man needs grace to believe and be saved than...
  16. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    Let's go with the easy one first...

    Do you agree that man is incapable of exercising a good will towards God apart from God's enabling grace?

    I would change the statement to the following...
    ...
  17. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    You mean how the KJV translators used it, right? The sarxe is part of our nature you know?



    Not always.
    ...
  18. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    I havent been using this, because I already know you deny it, but when we talk about "sin nature" we are referring to what is translated as flesh/old man in the KJV. To us, sinful nature is...
  19. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    I basically posted the precise Wesleyan definition of "imparted righteousness" without identifying it as so, and asked if you believed in the concept, and you said yes. Now, if I had put the heading...
  20. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    I understood what you meant by the word "nature" from the beginning. I disagreed with you because you were not allowing context to define the meaning of words, just as you are with the word "draw"....
  21. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    Were the people in Acts 16:19; 21:30; James 2:6 given the option to resist the dragging? Does it mean that the ones who dragged them only laid a requirement on them to come and then let them come of...
  22. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    That's fine, Noeb. I just asked you if you believed in the Wesleyan doctrine of imparted righteousness, and you said yes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imparted_righteousness

    Imparted...
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    Discussion Re: Calvinism or Arminianism? And why?

    Arminianism.

    a. Election conditioned on faith. In other words, God elects/saves individuals based on their faith in Christ.

    b. Jesus died for all men, and His death is sufficient to save all...
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    Re: Sanctifcation: Positional vs. Practical

    I say a hearty AMEN
  25. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    Noeb, do you believe that God works in the Christian to enable and empower the process of sanctification? If not, what part do you disagree with?
  26. Re: Struggling with sin is actually good - Romans 7:14-25

    Hey good buddy, I agree about Romans 7, but fortunately it doesnt end there. We have Romans 8 that tells us how we can rise above sin and walk in love. If we walk in love, love to God and love to...
  27. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    Since you havent replied yet, I'll answer my own question and then we can see what you think.

    I choose the latter option, there is more than one usage of the word "helko" in the NT. So it seems to...
  28. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    So you're going to deny the existence of something and then refuse to define what it is you are denying?



    So then believing unto imputed righteousness is automatic?

    Do you believe in...
  29. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    a. you said the word "helko" was used in only one way in the NT.
    b. The word most commonly is used of dragging in a sense of being dragged by force. ( look up the scriptures I provided you)
    c. The...
  30. Re: The doctrine of "Original sin" is a man made doctrine, having no truth.

    Would you please define the word "imparted"

    and while your at it, let us know if love is the fulfilling of all righteousness.
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