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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobunaga View Post
    Thank you everyone for your help in this matter, it seems there is a definete divide here or no coming together or agreement on the matter to put it another way. I'm in the same position as before as i have tried to research scripture and can find arguments for both sides !

    What do you do to keep Sabbath on friday evening to saturday ? i like your way of thinking ! keeping the Sabbath and still going to church but what do you do ?
    Nobunaga,

    I hope God's Word blesses you richly.

    Matt 22:35-40
    35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
    36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
    37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    38 This is the first and great commandment.
    39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


    Rom 13:8-14
    8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
    9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
    11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
    12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
    13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
    14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.


    1 Tim 1:5-20
    5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
    6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
    7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
    8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
    9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
    10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
    11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
    12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
    13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
    14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
    15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
    16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
    17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
    18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;
    19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
    20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.


    James 2:8
    8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:


    1 John 4:7-11
    7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that liveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
    8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
    9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
    10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
    11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.


    1 John 4:19-21
    19 We love him, because he first loved us.
    20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
    21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

    Jesus never did tell Jew or Gentile to keep the Sabbath day (the Law is Spiritual since we have The Holy Spirit now). It spiritually means to stop, by God's Grace and Holy Spirit, doing your (past) works - sin and unbelief - and to rest with God, believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ - Loving One Another as He has loved us through His Life, Death and Resurrection to New Life. Paul never commanded the Gentiles either in keeping the physical Sabbath. When we are buried with Christ, ceasing from sin by God's Grace in walking after The Spirit of Truth, it is fulfilled in us. Each day you do that you show your New Life in Christ where even the Whole Law is Fulfilled. When you walk in Love toward God and others the Righteousness of the law is filfilled in you, because of what Jesus paid for us on the Cross, as you walk not after the lusts of the flesh - sin - but after the Spirit of God. We can only understand this by Revelation and The Grace of God. But the Gentile believers by nature do the Commandments and proves that the Law is written on their (our) hearts. You don't see many Gentile believers doing the letter of "Sabbath" but you see it instictfully in their lives. And they don't 'work it up' it's already being done through them which hangs on: Loving God surpremely and your neighbor as yourself and of course the New Commandment, Love One Another as Jesus has loved us in His Life and in His Death and Resurrection. I myself, at one point of my life, looked at the letter of the Law but I was missing Jesus, the Rightness of The Law, who it pointed to. Yes, do what others who sit in Moses sit tell you, Look unto Jesus who they are really teaching about, but don't do as they do because they DON'T see Jesus who they really are affirming yet they don't know.

    But mostly, God can show you by His Grace and Spirit; He's God,
    Connie

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    Hello Connie!

    I have NOT seen any scripture where Yeshua tells His disciples to STOP keeping Sabbath (as it was intended). He does tell them that the Sabbath was made FOR man. It's a good thing! I, for one, do not keep Sabbath legalistically as the religious leaders of His day were doing or even as the Orthodox Jews of today do. I remember it and in doing so I weekly celebrate God creating in six days and resting on the seventh. Which is one of the reasons He tells us to remember it. I also keep it holy by not letting myself get distracted by the busyness of this world. However, as JiMH has stated that she does, I also have used the day to help those in need.

    One thing I believe is important to see is that Yeshua spiritualized ALL 10 of the Father's commandments, however, in do so He does not negate the physical side of the command. For example, in telling us not to hate our brother He is not saying it's now okay to murder him. On the contrary, He is saying that if we obey the spiritual we will in doing so also obey the physical. It is the same with the Sabbath if we take the time to understand what the Sabbath is for. It is, as Yeshua said, for US! I spiritually rest in Him, and in doing so understand why the Father commanded man to rest (physically). I have known too many believers who have burned themselves out working 24 hrs, 7 days a week, 365 a year. Then once burned out they are no good to even themselves. Physical rest is good for our bodies just as spiritual rest is good for our souls. They are not concepts that need to be contrary to one another, but should rather work in conjunction with one another so that we, as believers, can be well rested; both body and soul.

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    Hello there Studyin'2Show,

    Thank you for your understanding, but I see it very differently and believe I have been taught "by good example". I believe it's deeper than just physical rest - even bodily exercise profits little so does natural rest. So then there is a Spiritual walk to take hold of, lest the thief comes in to steal, kill and destroy.

    So, I suppose God recalls The Sabbath Day in me each time He sees that I am buried with Christ, no longer willing to sin but considering myself dead and buried in walking after the flesh. This is how Paul also seen the Law fulfilled in the Gentile believers they proved that they were not of the world but that they walked after the Spirit. I suppose if I worked 24 hours a day but walked in the Spirit God, by His Grace, He is well pleased. Man looks at the ourward but God looks at the heart (the fruit of his exchanged life for Christ'). Jesus is my Sabbath Rest - 24/7 - everyday, He is who I remember - He is My Rest and Life, because I am crucified with Him and buried with Him. And I am Born Again where there is no transgression of the law - I am no longer under the judgment (curses) of the law because of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus in me and I am called to no longer walk after the flesh but after the Spirit. This is how the Sabbath Day is made for me and testifies of Jesus in me, by His Grace alone.

    Thank you for your post and your good intital time.

    God's Peace to you,
    Connie

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    Connie, you are quite correct that it is more than JUST the physical. If you go back through the thread you'll see we have discussed that Yeshua did indeed spiritualize ALL the commandments. What the spiritual fulfillment does not do, however, is negate the physical. Here's an example. Yeshua telling us that lusting in our hearts is already committing adultery doesn't mean it's now okay to 'physically' commit adultery. Quite the contrary. Not lusting in our heart will keep us from committing the physical act. I most certainly enjoy my 'spiritual' rest in Messiah. This fact does not prevent me from enjoying 'physical' rest as well. As I already mentioned, I do not let anyone judge me regarding such things as this so, I respect your right to not enjoy the physical rest on the Sabbath. It would be nice if other believers would respect my right to enjoy it.

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    I trust they do respect you. But if they don't, God is still love toward you and it's always His approval we seek never man's which could bring a snare.

    And of course, if you don't walk in lust of the flesh (selfishness, self centeredness) but in God's Spirit, putting to death the deeds of the lusts of the body, you will do well and the powers of darkness can't steal, kill nor destroy you, you would have overcome in Jesus' nature and character. Glory.

    Do we all here have permission to use url's in our signature lines, or is it against the rules here?

    Good night and God bless you my friend.
    Peace,
    Connie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus-Is-Real View Post
    Do we all here have permission to use url's in our signature lines, or is it against the rules here?
    Yes, you can use links as long as they are not to a commercial site or a site that solicits money. Mine is for our house fellowship's website, and my testimony on that site. The center one is for my weekly podcast called FaithWorks which is absolutely free! As soon as you get to the 30 day point (as you already have more than 40 posts ) you will be able to do your own sig.

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    Oh no, not another thread on the Sabbath!

    The ghost of Ozzy Osbourne must be admist here

    I was looking at of 492 denominations that are, or have begun to observe the Sabbath (Saturday). Last I read, there are over 500 now. Either we are moving forward by going home, or we are moving backward by leaving home But next trip to the Courthouse, I'm not telling them to take the 10 Commandments down and replace them with the 9 commandments, besides, Judges want off both Saturday and Sunday. Actually, I doubt our Courthouse that is one that has them there anyway.

    As for the web site that had the 492 denominations listed, I am not yet (if ever) comfortable in posting that link. However, perhaps I can list the 10 commandments as addressed in the Christian Greek Scriptures, but I broke the links that were in the list :
    • First Commandment: You shall have no other gods before Me
      Matthew 4:10; 6:24; 22:37-38; Luke 4:8; Revelation 14:7.
    • Second Commandment: Thou shalt not worship Idols
      Acts 15:20; 17:16; 29; 1 Corinthians 5:10-11; 6:9; 10:7, 14, 19; 12:2; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Galatians 5:20; Ephesians 5:5; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 1:9; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14; 9:20; 21:8; 22:15.
    • Third Commandment: Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain
      Matthew 5:33-34; 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7.
    • Fourth Commandment: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it Holy
      Matthew 12:8, 12; 24:20; Mark 1:21; 2:27-28; 6:2; Luke 4:16, 31; 6:5; 23:56; Acts 13:14, 42, 44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:1-2; 18:4; Hebrews 4:4, 9-10 (See also Amplified, ASV, BBE, NASB, NIV, RSV and NRSV.)
    • Fifth Commandment: Honour your father and your mother
      Matthew 15:4; 19:19; Mark 7:10; 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 1:30; Ephesians 6:1-2; Colossians 3:20; 2 Timothy 3:2.
    • Sixth Commandment: Thou shalt not Murder
      Matthew 5:21-22; 19:18; Mark 7:21; 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 1:29; 13:9; Galatians 5:21; 1 Timothy 1:9; James 2:11; 1 Peter 4:15; 1 John 3:15; Revelation 9:21; 21:8; 22:15.
    • Seventh Commandment: Thou shalt not commit Adultery
      Matthew 5:27-28; 19:18; Mark 7:21; 10:11-12, 19; Luke 16:18; 18:20; Acts 21:25; Romans 1:29; 2:22; 7:3; 13:9; 1 Corinthians 5:11; 6:9, 18; 10:8; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Hebrews 13:4; James 2:11; 2 Peter 2:14; Jude 1:7; Revelation 2:14; 2:21-22; 9:21.
    • Eighth Commandment: Thou shalt not Steal
      Matthew 19:18; Mark 7:22; 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 2:21; 13:9; 1 Corinthians 5:10-11; 6:10; Ephesians 4:28; 1 Peter 4:15; Revelation 9:21.
    • Ninth Commandment: Thou shalt not bear false witness
      Matthew 15:19; 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; John 8:44; Acts 5:3-4; Romans 1:29; 13:9; Ephesians 4:25; Colossians 3:9; 1 Timothy 4:2; 2 Timothy 3:3; Revelation 21:8; 22:15.
    • Tenth Commandment: Thou shalt not Covet your neighbour’s things
      Mark 7:22; Luke 12:15; Acts 20:33; Romans 1:29; 7:7; 13:9; 1 Corinthians 5:10-11; 6:10; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3, 5; 1 Timothy 6:10; 2 Timothy 3:2; 2 Peter 2:14; Hebrews 13:5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clifton View Post
    The ghost of Ozzy Osbourne must be admist here
    Ozzy's not dead! He just looks like that all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Studyin'2Show View Post
    Ozzy's not dead! He just looks like that all the time.

    Walks that way too.


    Apparently, unknown to me, or not recognized by me, is somehow the 10 commandments are innocently and inadvertently getting “mixed up” with the 600+ commands of Moses (I think it is 603, plus the 10, totaling 613).

    The 10 stay, but the 600+, well, not all of those are feasible now-n-days, but some of them were "based" on the 10 commandments.

    Example: In America, you cannot steal. If you are caught, you can get fined and/or imprisoned, Or, perhaps the mercy of the Judge will let you off, or let you off easy: a debt to pay. I think we as Christians, the debt has been paid through Christ. OTOH, there is Obadiah 1:15 and Galations 6:7;
    IOW, "What goes around comes around". But I feel that is also true for good things as well.

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    Re: The Law ( 10 commandments)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nobunaga View Post
    There is a contradiction i am having a problem with " the Law " should i be keeping the 10 commandments ? some say Jesus done away with the law and we no longer have to be strict in obedience to it, some say it's just a guide on how to be a good person and please the Lord. But the Lord said he did not come to abolish the he came to fulfill the law, so should we therefore keep the law as the Jews the believe in Jesus do ? If so how can i keep the sabbath holy if all the churchs congregate on sunday since the catholic church brought it in. The only church that i am aware of that keeps the sabbath is the seventh day adventist church but i do not want to go there as i do not believe some of what they teach, i find it hard to even find a church that is true to the word am talking about preachers like paul washer and alike ! i like there message but no one seems to be doing it. Any way I try to keep the ten commandments but the sabbath is a puzzler to me and help is needed !!!! thanks

    Great question. This is something I was just thinking about today.

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    Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

    My translations based on Strong's,
    I am not come to destroy, but to fill up.
    I am not come to destroy, but to make replete.
    I am not come to destroy, but to cram it full.
    I am not come to destroy, but to perfect.

    People should obey it as Jesus explained it, not it the way man misused it. When it says the law is abolished/done away it's the carnal aspect (letter), not the spiritual aspect Jesus brought to light (letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life), and more importantly, it was no longer the way to obtain salvation (2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

    2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.).

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    Re: The Law ( 10 commandments)

    Oh man too funny ! ......

    Yip.... i'll be keeping my mouth shut from now on about old threads..... blush blush.

    (Note to all users....Old Nobunaga threads should never be raised from the dead....... They stinketh !)


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    Quote Originally Posted by shnfx View Post
    Excellent question and one that I struggled with for a long time myself. I will do my best to try to help you in what I have learned in my previous struggle with this same topic. It just recently was made known to me and I finally feel at peace, thanks to God. I hope I can help you in your journey to seek understanding. You will probably get a lot of different responses so don't just pick which one you want to believe, but believe in God and his word only. Continue to pray and read God's word. I only want to help you from what I learned through my journey.
    We are no longer under the law of Moses.
    We are no longer in bondage to the law of Moses.
    The law of Moses or the law of God? They are not the same…
    The law of God…

    Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

    Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

    Deu 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

    Exo 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
    Who wrote this law? God did with His finger.

    God did not delegate something as important as His Ten Commandments to Moses to write down. God wrote them with His own finger. He also spoke them directly to Israel…

    Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

    Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,

    So now someone will quote…

    Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
    Notice why and until when it was added? It was added because of transgressions, because of sin. Now what is sin?

    1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    Added until the Seed should come (Jesus Christ) who was the propitiation for sin. The book of Hebrews is about the change of the Priesthood from Levitical to Melchisedec and the change of the sacrificial laws.

    When was it added? Not at Mt Sinai…

    Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

    Notice He added no more to the Ten Commandments.

    Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

    Also, notice they are written in stone. Where do you think the term written in stone comes from? From the Ten Commandments and it means not changeable, stays same forever, eternal.

    The law of Moses…

    Lev 26:46 These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

    Deu 4:5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.

    Deu 4:14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

    Deu 4:45 These are the testimonies, and the statutes, and the judgments, which Moses spake unto the children of Israel, after they came forth out of Egypt,

    Deu 6:2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged. (Notice who the I here is)

    OK now let’s read Gal 3:24 with some understanding…

    Is the law necessary? - Yes, to lead us to Christ.
    "The Law is the schoolmaster to leads us to Christ". - (Galatians 3:24) The Law shows us our sin, which is why we need Christ to save us. Christ fulfilled God's requirement of the law and also paid the penalty we deserve for breaking God's law. Christ is where we find righteousness, not by obedience to the law. If we are justified by the law, Christ died for nothing.
    "I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!" - (Galatians 2:21)
    Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
    Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
    Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
    Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

    What in the world in the ten commandments was offered year by year and continually? Nothing, this is not speaking of the Ten Commandments, it is speaking of the law of sacrifices that was the schoolmaster that brings us to Christ.

    Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
    Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
    Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

    Yes, Christ did it once and for all, He paid the price for sin through His blood.


    If we try to obey the 10 commandments (even out of Love for God) to get to heaven then we are not accepting the free gift from God in Jesus Christ, but are trying to earn our way in. It is impossible to earn a gift, therefore we have to receive God's gift and follow Jesus. No one is declared righteous by the Law.
    We are now under the law of Christ - (Galatians 6:2)
    The Law of Christ is this...
    “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” - (Matthew 22:37-40).
    If we do these two things, we will be fulfilling all that Christ wants for us to do, “This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” - (1 John 5:3).
    The Ten Commandments are not even applicable to Christians, except to lead us to Christ.
    Not having other Gods? Not taking the name of God in vain? Not committing adultery, not killing, not lying, not stealing? These laws are not applicable to Christians?

    Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

    And then He begins to innumerate the Ten Commandments so there is no doubt.

    Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
    Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


    The Apostle of love, the Apostle John says…

    1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

    1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
    1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


    However, 9 of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day).
    It’s always that fourth one, isn’t it?

    Obviously, if we are loving God we won't be worshipping other gods or worshipping idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we won't be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them. So, we are not under any of the requirements of the Old Testament law. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we do those two things faithfully, everything else will fall into place. We get the desires to do these things after we turn to Jesus with our 100% trust, knowing that Jesus alone can save us and nothing else. We are given new hearts with new desires. Although we still have temptatians and struggles, after we turn to Jesus, we will desire the things of God.
    1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    Jesus did come to fulfill the law and not to abolish or do away with the law (Matthew 5:17-18).
    Take two Styrofoam cups, fill one with water and crush the other in your hand and throw it away. Now which one did you fulfill? The one you did away with? Or the one you added to…

    Isa_42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

    Jesus did not suggest that the law of Moses would remain in effect forever. That would contradict everything we learn in the New Testament.
    "Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes" - (Romans 10:4)
    The word for end here is…

    G5056
    τέλος
    telos
    tel'-os
    From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

    1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

    Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

    Hmmm, keeping the Father's Commandments is here equated with abiding in His love.

    "Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. - (Galatians 3:23-25)
    "By abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. - (Ephesians 2:15)
    The law that was abolished in His flesh was the law of animal sacrifices as we saw in Heb 10.

    If the law of God were truly abolished, then no one needs Jesus Christ to save us from sin…

    1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

    So, no law = no sin = no need for a savior. If you believe this, I have a bridge…

    P.S. I keep the seventh day Sabbath and I can testify that it is not grievous, it is a joy and a blessing.

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    Re: The Law ( 10 commandments)

    Just a side note about Rom 5:13-14...

    Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
    Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

    Also notice…

    Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    If death reigned from Adam to Moses, apparently someone was sinning and sin is not imputed when there is no law. The Ten Commandments were in effect before Adam…

    Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    Hmmm, says here that Satan was a murderer and a liar from the beginning. If there was no law there was no murder or lying. You may draw your own conclusions, I have.

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    Re: The Law ( 10 commandments)

    Quote Originally Posted by shnfx View Post
    Excellent question and one that I struggled with for a long time myself. I will do my best to try to help you in what I have learned in my previous struggle with this same topic. It just recently was made known to me and I finally feel at peace, thanks to God. I hope I can help you in your journey to seek understanding. You will probably get a lot of different responses so don't just pick which one you want to believe, but believe in God and his word only. Continue to pray and read God's word. I only want to help you from what I learned through my journey.

    We are no longer under the law of Moses.
    We are no longer in bondage to the law of Moses.
    Is the law necessary? - Yes, to lead us to Christ.
    "The Law is the schoolmaster to leads us to Christ". - (Galatians 3:24) The Law shows us our sin, which is why we need Christ to save us. Christ fulfilled God's requirement of the law and also paid the penalty we deserve for breaking God's law. Christ is where we find righteousness, not by obedience to the law. If we are justified by the law, Christ died for nothing.
    "I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!" - (Galatians 2:21)
    If we try to obey the 10 commandments (even out of Love for God) to get to heaven then we are not accepting the free gift from God in Jesus Christ, but are trying to earn our way in. It is impossible to earn a gift, therefore we have to receive God's gift and follow Jesus. No one is declared righteous by the Law.
    We are now under the law of Christ - (Galatians 6:2)
    The Law of Christ is this...
    “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” - (Matthew 22:37-40).
    If we do these two things, we will be fulfilling all that Christ wants for us to do, “This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” - (1 John 5:3).
    The Ten Commandments are not even applicable to Christians, except to lead us to Christ. However, 9 of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God we won't be worshipping other gods or worshipping idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we won't be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them. So, we are not under any of the requirements of the Old Testament law. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we do those two things faithfully, everything else will fall into place. We get the desires to do these things after we turn to Jesus with our 100% trust, knowing that Jesus alone can save us and nothing else. We are given new hearts with new desires. Although we still have temptatians and struggles, after we turn to Jesus, we will desire the things of God.

    Jesus did come to fulfill the law and not to abolish or do away with the law (Matthew 5:17-18).
    Jesus did not suggest that the law of Moses would remain in effect forever. That would contradict everything we learn in the New Testament.
    "Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes" - (Romans 10:4)
    "Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. - (Galatians 3:23-25)
    "By abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. - (Ephesians 2:15)
    This certainly feels very comforting. But I still think it wise to keep the law (even just the 10 commandments) too, because it is very good if everyone is nice to each other. I'd basically like to see a society where everyone gets along with each other, helps each other out in times of need, does not hurt others (physically or mentally), and has a heart for others.

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