Once saved always saved....

**Slug1** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by ProjectPeter

The very first OSAS message preached... go ahead and eat... you won't die.

Oh man, I'm adding this one to my notes

**jshears** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by ProjectPeter

Okay... let's try this a different way.

I don't need to have faith that I am a child of God if I am ALREADY a child of God. I don't need to have faith that God will provide me food for tonight when there is a cabinet full of food for me to eat when I want that God already provided. I don't need to have faith that I have eternal life if I am already living in eternal life. No faith is necessary for something already realized. You can't even recognize that very clear truth? I mean come on now!!!

1 John 3:2

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

***ProjectPeter*** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by partaker of Christ

Hi th1bill!

It really does amazes me how many believe, that they have the ability to destroy God's work.
There is a fallen angel who suffers the same delusion.

Whosoever the Father draws to me, I will in no wise cast out. All who the Father gives, I will lose none.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Oh cool... now us NOSAS folks are compared to satan himself! Like I said earlier... a fallen angel preached the first OSAS message. Go ahead and eat... surely you won't die.

***ProjectPeter*** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by jshears

1 John 3:2

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

That is faith defined.

**Buck shot** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by ProjectPeter

Okay... let's try this a different way.

I don't need to have faith that I am a child of God if I am ALREADY a child of God. I don't need to have faith that God will provide me food for tonight when there is a cabinet full of food for me to eat when I want that God already provided. I don't need to have faith that I have eternal life if I am already living in eternal life. No faith is necessary for something already realized. You can't even recognize that very clear truth? I mean come on now!!!

The widow that fed Elijah. Was the meal in the barrel the day before she needed it? By faith the barrel never went dry. They knew that it would not because God said it would not. This goes to the root of faith.
By faith I am a child of God. Come on and quite playing with words and just realize what you have!

1 Kings 17:14
For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth.

**jshears** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by ProjectPeter

That is faith defined.

We ARE children of God right now... We HAVE eternal life right now. We're not waiting for it. Our salvation is already complete. We're just waiting for the full manifestation of it in the future.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:2)

**Friend of Jesus** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by 2 Peter 2:20

He loved the sinner so much that He sent his Son to die for them but IF you are saved then you are not considered a sinner anymore in God's eyes. So why do we continue to think of ourselves as sinners? God is still there IF we do sin but IF we confess our sins then He is faithful and just to forgive us of those sins. If you are still a sinner or living in sin then God is not your father. The devil is your father.

I've used 1 John above and below since everyone wants to use it for OSAS. There are other verses I can use but this will do...

9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

Paul himself confessed to sinning after he became a child of God- does this mean he won't be saved if he brings it before God and asks for forgiveness.

No, Jesus saved us from sin, and sin is defeated. Read the last chapter of John's final letter. It is if we make a practice of sin that stops us from being saved, and no one who is saved makes a practice of sin.

I sinned after I became a Christian and was baptised in the spirit. But I have left those sins for dust now because Jesus has saved me.

If you say you have never sinned once after becoming a Chistian or you are either a liar or the best Christian I have ever met. (sin includes insults, lustful glances- the minor things as well)

**jshears** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Friend of Jesus

Paul himself confessed to sinning after he became a child of God- does this mean he won't be saved if he brings it before God and asks for forgiveness.

No, Jesus saved us from sin, and sin is defeated. Read the last chapter of John's final letter. It is if we make a practice of sin that stops us from being saved, and no one who is saved makes a practice of sin.

I sinned after I became a Christian and was baptised in the spirit. But I have left those sins for dust now because Jesus has saved me.

If you say you have never sinned once after becoming a Chistian or you are either a liar or the best Christian I have ever met. (sin includes insults, lustful glances- the minor things as well)

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (1 John 1:8)

***ProjectPeter*** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Buck shot

The widow that fed Elijah. Was the meal in the barrel the day before she needed it? By faith the barrel never went dry. They knew that it would not because God said it would not. This goes to the root of faith.
By faith I am a child of God. Come on and quite playing with words and just realize what you have!

1 Kings 17:14
For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth.

Um... that again is simply faith defined. But had she stopped believing... do you think those barrels would have stayed full... knowing all that you know of God?

**Friend of Jesus** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by jshears

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (1 John 1:8)

I looked for ages to find that quote- thank you for finding it

***ProjectPeter*** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by jshears

We ARE children of God right now... We HAVE eternal life right now. We're not waiting for it. Our salvation is already complete. We're just waiting for the full manifestation of it in the future.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:2)

Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him in order that we may also be glorified with Him.
18 ¶For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us.
19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope
21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one also hope for what he sees?
25 But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

Why are we waiting for something that we already actually have? We don't need the Spirit of adoption when you are already in fact adopted. John says pretty much the same thing as well when speaking of enduring faith. Takes reading the whole letter in context as opposed to crawling all over one verse and not giving heed to the other words in that letter.

***ProjectPeter*** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by jshears

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (1 John 1:8)

Why did John say that in 1 John 1?

***ProjectPeter*** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Friend of Jesus

I looked for ages to find that quote- thank you for finding it

I will ask you the same question... why did John say that?

**jshears** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by ProjectPeter

Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him in order that we may also be glorified with Him.
18 ¶For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us.
19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope
21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one also hope for what he sees?
25 But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

Why are we waiting for something that we already actually have? We don't need the Spirit of adoption when you are already in fact adopted. John says pretty much the same thing as well when speaking of enduring faith. Takes reading the whole letter in context as opposed to crawling all over one verse and not giving heed to the other words in that letter.

The redemption of our body refers to the resurrection... we all are still waiting for that aren't we??

**jshears** · Apr 22nd 2008, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by ProjectPeter

I will ask you the same question... why did John say that?

One more post before I have to leave for the day...

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8

John was stating a fact that we're not perfect, we still "have" sin. What point are you getting to? Anyway gotta go for today... God Bless You