Once saved always saved....

[Buck shot]

Um... that again is simply faith defined. But had she stopped believing... do you think those barrels would have stayed full... knowing all that you know of God?

But she did not. Are you going to quite believing? I am not. If I was I have faith God will strike me down before that

[Buck shot]

Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him in order that we may also be glorified with Him.
18 ¶For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us.
19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope
21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one also hope for what he sees?
25 But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

Why are we waiting for something that we already actually have? We don't need the Spirit of adoption when you are already in fact adopted. John says pretty much the same thing as well when speaking of enduring faith. Takes reading the whole letter in context as opposed to crawling all over one verse and not giving heed to the other words in that letter.

You should rename yourself Roman 8 Ken

[ProjectPeter]

The redemption of our body refers to the resurrection... we all are still waiting for that aren't we??

And you are still waiting for your adoption as sons... aren't you?

[ProjectPeter]

One more post before I have to leave for the day...

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8

John was stating a fact that we're not perfect, we still "have" sin. What point are you getting to? Anyway gotta go for today... God Bless You

That is not why John said what he said though... you are reading into it and applying what you think John was saying. Here though is the reason and told by John himself.

1 John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

Now... imagine John telling us this so we don't sin. He makes it clear... IF WE DO then we have an advocate with the Father. But his reasoning is so that we DON'T. Yet nevertheless... folks want to ultimately use this passage as the excuse for them WHEN THEY DO. When you do... there is no excuse. Scripture certainly doesn't excuse sin by any stretch of ones doctrinal imagination.

[ProjectPeter]

But she did not. Are you going to quite believing? I am not. If I was I have faith God will strike me down before that

Buckshot... but even you know that there are folks that do. That you will or won't ain't the point. Point is... some do. That's a fact that even you have recognized... right?

[ProjectPeter]

You should rename yourself Roman 8 Ken

Nah... but if I ever did change my username... that would be a good option.

[Buck shot]

Buckshot... but even you know that there are folks that do. That you will or won't ain't the point. Point is... some do. That's a fact that even you have recognized... right?

Yes, but some don't. That's a fact that even you have recognized... right?

OSAS is not true for all but it is for some. Right?

[ProjectPeter]

Yes, but some don't. That's a fact that even you have recognized... right?

OSAS is not true for all but it is for some. Right?

Oh come on... that is like strattling the fence. No. Simple fact of the matter buckshot and everyone else... it is either NOSAS or OSAS. There isn't either or. If nothing else we should all be able to agree on this fact... one of us is right and the other wrong. There is no in-between on this issue. Either one is eternally secure therefore NOSAS is wrong... or they aren't and OSAS is wrong. There can't be a "well... sort of." Especially in the way that it is taught now days.

[Partaker of Christ]

And if you die in that sin... does God forget that drawn away from Him thing and say no sweat... we'll just ignore that?

Do you believe that God did not foreknow what would be, before He chose to lay down His life for that believer? He knew exactly what it would take to save that child to the uttermost. He planned and paid the very price required to do it.

[Partaker of Christ]

Okay... let's try this a different way.

I don't need to have faith that I am a child of God if I am ALREADY a child of God. I don't need to have faith that God will provide me food for tonight when there is a cabinet full of food for me to eat when I want that God already provided. I don't need to have faith that I have eternal life if I am already living in eternal life. No faith is necessary for something already realized. You can't even recognize that very clear truth? I mean come on now!!!

We have it because Almighty God says, we have it.

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

[Partaker of Christ]

Originally Posted by Friend of Jesus
Just because someone breaks their promise with God and walks away
God doesn't go back on his promise to you -he keeps his word

Yes... He is faithful. If you deny Him... He will be faithful to His word and He will deny you.

Were does it say we have to make, or keep a promise with God?

[Partaker of Christ]

Yes... He is faithful. If you deny Him... He will be faithful to His word and He will deny you.

The very first OSAS message preached... go ahead and eat... you won't die.

And the first NOSAS message preached is "Is it true that God hath said?"

[Partaker of Christ]

Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him in order that we may also be glorified with Him.
18 ¶For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us.
19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope
21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one also hope for what he sees?
25 But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

Why are we waiting for something that we already actually have? We don't need the Spirit of adoption when you are already in fact adopted. John says pretty much the same thing as well when speaking of enduring faith. Takes reading the whole letter in context as opposed to crawling all over one verse and not giving heed to the other words in that letter.

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

"waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body."
the redemption of our body

[ProjectPeter]

Do you believe that God did not foreknow what would be, before He chose to lay down His life for that believer? He knew exactly what it would take to save that child to the uttermost. He planned and paid the very price required to do it.

Um... that has absolutely nothing to do with what I am speaking of as well as it is simply a paragraph of religious speak that most folks would answer one specific way and mean a multitude of different things.

Naturally I do not believe in predestination the way that you do... you already know that so no need to keep slapping at that dead pony.

[ProjectPeter]

We have it because Almighty God says, we have it.

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

And once again... you don't address anything to do with the passage shown but toss out another passage that really hasn't anything to do with the discussion as if your passage negates the other one. I do understand that a lot of folks like to read their Bible that way... but I don't rightly figure that the right way to do it.