The point that I have been trying to lead to for a lllloooooonnnnnggggggg time is that some are teaching that you can lose your salvation and then get it back.
I have brought this up over and over but knowone seems to want to address it.
Does your NOSAS belief allow for someone to lose their salvation and then regain it?
All that being said... a sin doesn't "unsave" a man. I don't believe for a second that David ever lost his "salvation"... and he did some heavy duty sinning. That being said... had he hardened his heart and ignored the warning from the prophet... I believe he too could have lost the Spirit of God just as Saul did.
But the answer is yes... someone can turn from God and return back. Remember the prodigal son was alive and left... dead while gone... alive again. Now... I asked folks this before and no one answered back. If you can show me anywhere in Scripture that alludes to the idea that a spiritually dead man is still a saved man... then you're on to something. If you can't... then I can't buy it.
Folks tend (on the NOSAS side I'll pick on) to forget that even when a brother is caught up in sinfulness... that doesn't automatically negate his being saved. If the brother refuses correction and tells everyone, God included" to pretty much pound sand because they right like what they are doing... that person is on a gnarly road. But nevertheless... God is times more patient than any one of us and patient even when we're living like a moron.
Goodness guys... we are nearing the stopping point on this thread by the way. I am going to have to close it before long because once threads get this big it can cause the server to do some really freaky stuff... or whatever the technical problem is. That is what the geeks take care of!
So... let's wind this down and we can split some of these other discussion off into other threads.
jsheers... if you want to start a thread on what it takes to be saved.... I would be happy to post in it. Probably tomorrow though... getting late on my end.
Do we have licence? God forbid.
The difference I believe is that most OSAS'ers say our Father will rightly chastise His much loved children when they miss the mark. NOSAS'ers (or some) seem to think this chastisment is utter destruction.
I do not look at the prodical son parable the same as you. We know he was dead to his dad but I understand him to still be a son. i do understand why you see it your way though. i tend to lean more to the fruit tree that continues to not bare good fruit even after the Master Gardener has worked around it. Folks cannot be both good and bad trees. We are either one or the other. Like sheep and goats, we cannot be both. I know you agree with this too.
I cannot agree that we could ever be born again a third time. You say that is not what you are saying but that is what you are saying if you lose your salvation then you are in a worse place than you were before. So how can you just repent and be back where you were?
So the ball ends up in God's court where it should be. We cannot say someone has lost their salvation. Only God knows.
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