Jehovah Witness coming to your house

[Cretan1986]

I just read a pm from a moderator. I can't see how my post Proselytize or has rude conduct. I can't see what is the problem to ask some questions and get biblical answers. Many of you have shaped an opinion for JW but
1)you never talk to them
2)you get informed by anti-JW sources.
So how can you inform and answer your brothers questions when you have shaped an opinion by one-side source. I didn't register to do anything rude but it doesn't mean that I will not defend my faith when i read misdirected posts.

[daughter]

Before someone become JW test if the teachings of JW are according to the bible.

That is exactly what we should all do... test the spirits.

Cretan, I've been reading Greek for twenty plus years now. I didn't learn from theological sources, I started off because I wanted to read Greek literature, history, etc. So my sources weren't aimed at teaching me a certain doctrinal perspective. I've been Christian for a little over two years, and in that time have really seriously studied things like the doctrine of the trinity, the diety of Christ.

The NWT is diabolically badly translated. I use the term diabolical quite deliberately. It is so badly translated in patches that I can only assume the translators have done it deliberately... or that they are not in fact scholars of linguistics at all.

Anytime that people are described as "worshipping" Jesus, the NWT distorts the text.

Example, read Matthew 2. (Even in your version.) Your translation says that the wise men do obeisance to Him. But the word you translate as "do obeisance" is far stronger than that. προσεκυνησαν means to fall down, prostrate oneself, grovel... and right through the history of the Greek language, this is the behaviour that man has accorded his gods... from Homer, right through, Thucydides and Heroditus use it, it turns up in private letters - it is an act of collapse, utter self denial... prostration, adoration.

But apparently, only when it applies to Jesus, does the word mean something tame and ordinary. Even later on in your own translation NWT translates it correctly... it is only castrated of it's meaning when Jesus is the subject of worship.

And it's not just the wise men who worship Jesus, it's Thomas as well. Stephen, before his martyrdom, PRAYS to Jesus. You can find it there in the book of acts.

This deliberate confusion of words in the NWT is dishonest - and typical. I'm so sorry that you've accepted blindly man made doctrines, and not looked at the evidence yourself. But while you live, you still have the time to find out. Please, you would condemn a catholic for blindly believing the pope. Don't blindly believe the watchtower. On the day of Pentecost Peter said there is only one name under heaven by which men must be saved... and that name is NOT Jehova.

[Emanate]

It was my lead in. They were greeting me and I asked if they were JWs. Then I asked if they had ever studied the word. It was odd, it was a man and a woman and the woman did all the talking. This is West Texas, I could have been a Pentecostal and started quoting about women keeping silent. Second thought, I should have said that to observe a response.

[trustingJC]

I just read a pm from a moderator. I can't see how my post Proselytize or has rude conduct. I can't see what is the problem to ask some questions and get biblical answers. Many of you have shaped an opinion for JW but
1)you never talk to them
2)you get informed by anti-JW sources.
So how can you inform and answer your brothers questions when you have shaped an opinion by one-side source. I didn't register to do anything rude but it doesn't mean that I will not defend my faith when i read misdirected posts.

I don't know if your reply was directed towards me or not but let me start by saying that I have talked to JW's. In fact, I used to work with a very nice young lady who was a JW. She never tried to share her beliefs with me, nor I with her. I have had JW's come to my door and I am always polite and so are they. But, once they show me the Watch Tower pamplets I tell them that I am a Christian and strong in my faith. They usually leave after that.

I have no problems with JW's. I love them just as I love any other. We just don't believe in the same Jesus.

My one sided source is the Holy Bible and my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. By studying the Bible I will be able to answer my brother with the truth. He is a grown man and will make his own decisions with what he chooses to believe. My job is to be there when he has questions and to be lead by the Holy Spirit while answering him.

[Gentile]

I have a greeted a few at my door. Now unlike most people on this board who would jam down their beliefs in people's throats and slap them in the face with the REAL word of GOD and think they just did a magical thing, I simply greeted them with a smile. I let them hand me their literature, I kindly said I dont have time to talk right now and we both told each other to have a great day and GOD bless. They walked off happy without a pyscho christian in their face ranting you are wrong!!! and I continued on with my day.

[WilliamCoburn]

The best response to a JW at your door: (IMO)

“I know you keep track of houses that are not to be called on and I want this house added to that list”

Keep in mind that:
*They believe that Jesus Christ died so that some of the people who become Jehovah’s Witnesses can be saved”. (YES you read that right they believe that their salvation is not guaranteed because it is based on their works)

* They have over 2 hours a week of “sales training” in a very structured environment.

*They believe (as do all good salespeople) that as long as the person is still talking to you a “sale” is still possible.

[WilliamCoburn]

I've just finished reading an exellent book by a man who was raised in the JW church, called "the Spanking Room." Apparently up till the fifties they used the KJV, but then they got anonymous "scholars" to translate it anew... and having read their version, I can only assume they are not language scholars at all.

I'm going to post a review of the Spanking Room soon, but I can't tell you how depressing the portrayal of life for a JW kid is... Thank God the man was saved. William Coburn - I think he joined this site a while ago. If you want the inside scoop on JWs, you need to read this book.

Thank you for the kind words about my book.

[daughter]

Your welcome. I just got back from Africa, and the friend who was receiving my mail delivered the book to me... I read it in one sitting. It must have been intensley difficult to write. I hope it was therapeutic.

One thing that came across very strongly was a sense that your mother was dead. It came as a surprise part way through to realise that she wasn't... and I was glad of the fact that you've been able to forgive her, while not forgetting everything that happened. Just to let you know, I've been moved to pray for your mother, because parts of the book made me so sad for her. It wasn't over written at all, but when I read of her wasting her inheritance, wasting her child allowance, wasting so much of her life, on the false hope that the End was indeed going to be within just a few years, I felt very sad for her. It must have been like probing an old wound to write it. How did your mother recieve it?

[daughter]

I have a greeted a few at my door. Now unlike most people on this board who would jam down their beliefs in people's throats and slap them in the face with the REAL word of GOD and think they just did a magical thing, I simply greeted them with a smile. I let them hand me their literature, I kindly said I dont have time to talk right now and we both told each other to have a great day and GOD bless. They walked off happy without a pyscho christian in their face ranting you are wrong!!! and I continued on with my day.

I keep getting the impression that you don't like us... Who in particular on this board is a psycho Christian? (you say most, so maybe I should be asking who isn't.)

[Studyin'2Show]

I simply greeted them with a smile. I let them hand me their literature, I kindly said I dont have time to talk right now and we both told each other to have a great day and GOD bless. They walked off happy without a pyscho christian in their face ranting you are wrong!!! and I continued on with my day.

How does that save their souls? BTW, my mother has a sister who was JW and has a heart to see them saved so she always talks to them. And no, she doesn't simply say you're wrong but rather leads them to passages in their bible that show them. God's word does not return void. Usually the younger ones get wide-eyed as she shows them God's truth while the older ones try to figure some reason to leave. We actually had one tell us, all of a sudden, that she had to go because her mother was sick and she had to take her somewhere. (we thought that was odd since she had just come up and knocked on our door, while evidently knowing she would have no time because her mother was sick) But then we watched and they headed up the walkway to our neighbor's house. (they didn't know he was a pastor) And yes, we did get on the do not call list because they never came back though we would see them in the neighborhood.

God Bless!

[IPet2_9]

My way of dealing with visiting JW's is very simple: I ask if they are going to Heaven when they die. They will say no. Then I say, "Well, I am going to Heaven. Why would I want to give up my faith for yours which says I won't?"

[Joe King]

My way of dealing with visiting JW's is very simple: I ask if they are going to Heaven when they die. They will say no. Then I say, "Well, I am going to Heaven. Why would I want to give up my faith for yours which says I won't?"

Yeah, but that argument can be made by anyone against Christianity also. I would reword it to say something like Jesus didn't just die for you.

[sharingthegoodnews]

Cretan, my guess is someone may have reported you. Notice the red yield on the top right of each reply. It could have been the way you answered using the word "Wrong".
Someone may have taken offense to that. Remember to use your words wisely. Always be respectful, replying using your words seasoned with salt. Col 4:6

It is proper to defend our Faith when based only upon the Bible not mere mans words or accusations. Ephesians 6:17; 1Timothy 6:12; 2 Corinthians 10:4. Jesus was a model at this in his ministry. Keep up the good work and do it making his heart glad. Proverbs 27:11

[sharingthegoodnews]

This is one of the reasons I don't endorse newer versions of the Bible. If a JW came to someone's door who uses one of these versions that you mentioned, and offered that argument, they would be able to show the person the error of their thinking. And it would validate the JW theory. I don't know if the JW's use versions other than KJV. I've never given that much thought till now.

We need to be strong in our study of Scripture so that we have an answer for them when they "prove" that they are correct in their thinking. Too many of us basically know what we believe, but if confronted with someone who disputes the truth, we don't know where to go to show them WHY we believe what we believe. And this is when the JW's can "beat us up" with Scripture.

God Bless.

Grace, I found this information concerning "begotten son". Since you
are familiar with Greek, would you agree with this information? Thanks!
Oh before I forget, when using the greek lettering for words, could you please translate in english like they do in their meanings? Thanks Again!


The basic Greek word for "only-begotten" used for Jesus and Isaac is mo·no·ge·nes´, from mo´nos, meaning "only," and gi´no·mai, a root word meaning "to generate," "to become (come into being)," Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance.

mo·no·ge·nes´ is defined as: "Only born, only begotten, i.e. an only child."—A Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament, by E. Robinson.

The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, edited by Gerhard Kittel, "[Mo·no·ge·nes´] means ‘of sole descent,’ i.e., without brothers or sisters." John 1:18; 3:16, 18; and 1 John 4:9, "the relation of Jesus is not just compared to that of an only child to its father. It is the relation of the only-begotten to the Father." ?

[Ozzie]

My Bible on the table is visible through the glass door to which the JW's come.I greet them courteously(not that I would wish to greet anyone otherwise,but why so importantly to JW's,is because they have been so brainwashed,they welcome snubs,sadly it means "another star in their crown "to them,if someone is rude to them.If a hot day,I offer a cold drink of water,which they're usually pleased to accept,then I mention,what the Bible says about a drink of water in his name.
One day ,I asked one would he like to pray with me.He said "No,you're one of those who believe in the Trinity"(they have been known to refer to the Triune God as "the 3 headed monster")
Asking the name of their small girl was told Ruby Grace.I replied "Rubies are better than Diamonds,but do you know what Grace means?""No,the reply so I said "God's Righteous at Christ's Expense"! Some months later in a Supermarket,the father of the child asking me again,what it was GRACE meant!
They always offer me their literature,I decline pointing to my Bible on the table,saying that I study it, as it has all the answers,also telling them I'm a believer on the Lord Jesus Christ.
A next door neighbour,(A Cook)to whom I once pointed out to her in her Bible,that the Lord ate a piece of fish & a piece of Honeycombe,he would need a gullet for that(they dont believe the Lord's physical resurrection)I knew being a Cook,that would make her think.She came back to me after showing the passage to "the brothers,at Kingdom Hall",sayinmg they said they dont believe it.Yet it was in their Bible!