The 7 churches and the 7 kingdom parables

[DeafPosttrib]

1844 - AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! That was come from William Miller, the baptist minister.

He was the false prophet. Because, he annoucned his congregations that Christ will come at midnight in September or October 1844. So, they believed him. They did came to gathering together outside join with William Miller. They were watch up in the sky waiting and waiting for Christ to be appear all night till sunrise. Christ didn't come. They were upset and disappoint with him. His church got into split.

That young teenger girl was with them, later established Seventh Advent Church.

That is sort kind of cult.

Because SDA doesn't believe in literal eternality hell of fire. And, they believe when Christ comes, we will STAY UP in heaven for 1,000 years while earth is desert (quiet) same time.

And several other teachings of SDA is no common sense.

We better be careful what we listening what men saying. Their teachings could be twists and errors. We rather follow the Holy Spirit's guide, and also depend on Bible only.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

[Brother Mark]

I don't think the authors are suggesting 7 kingdoms at all. It's all one kingdom but each church is responding differently to that kingdom.

For instance, in Matthew 13, the forth parable is about the woman who bakes three meals of bread and adds leaven. Nowhere in scripture is leaven considered a good thing! (At least I can't find it anywhere.) And the forth church in Rev, the church of Thyatira, has a woman that is teaching bad doctrine. Jesus warned of the "leaven of the pharisees". Isn't it interesting that here we have a parallel between the forth kingdom parable and the forth church where both are being leavened by a woman?

Perhaps there is something scripturally to these comparisons. Perhaps not. But I think it is worthy of investigation.

[Teke]

1844 - AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! That was come from William Miller, the baptist minister.

He was the false prophet. Because, he annoucned his congregations that Christ will come at midnight in September or October 1844. So, they believed him. They did came to gathering together outside join with William Miller. They were watch up in the sky waiting and waiting for Christ to be appear all night till sunrise. Christ didn't come. They were upset and disappoint with him. His church got into split.

That young teenger girl was with them, later established Seventh Advent Church.

That is sort kind of cult.

Because SDA doesn't believe in literal eternality hell of fire. And, they believe when Christ comes, we will STAY UP in heaven for 1,000 years while earth is desert (quiet) same time.

And several other teachings of SDA is no common sense.

We better be careful what we listening what men saying. Their teachings could be twists and errors. We rather follow the Holy Spirit's guide, and also depend on Bible only.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

This post actually brought a question to mind. Did this all come from the north east coast of the US? I live in the southeast and took a trip to New Jersey recently and noticed many SD Baptist churches there. Having been a Baptist I've never heard of such folks as those there. It really had me scratching my head. You'd never see a Baptist church like those in the south.

But hey, that is why I posted the scriptures for what we're talking about in this thread. It would be confusing if we attach scripture to any one individual (such as the names already mentioned), doctrine (such as dispensationalism), or religion (SDA or Baptist) since it belongs to the whole church.

I don't ascribe to dispensationalism either BTW. And since it's not dogma it shouldn't matter.
Scripture has many interesting facets to explore.

[markedward]

Revelation chapter 2 and 3 doesn't give us the hint of what the year of the seven churches, and which church period, we are right now.

Show me Scripture that supports this "church period" idea.

[TrustGzus]

We're getting off the path a bit. This thread is about a comparison between the seven churches and the seven kingdom parables in Matthew.

The tapes/CDs on this that Mark listened to are very interesting. It's been a while since I've listened to them, however, if I remember correctly, Missler doesn't explore the theory of the seven churches in these messages (although he does at other times).

Let's make another thread if we want to discuss the seven churches and the correspondence to various ages in church history. The opening post topic is a good one. Let's try to keep it there.

[Curby Wheeler]

Seems to me that "To the angel of the church in _______" should be translated as "To the messenger of the church in _______" instead, referring to human messengers who work at those seven churches, rather than angels who the people wouldn't even be able to see to deliver the letters to.

The seven letters in Revelation are dictated by Jesus Christ. They are properly addressed to HIS messenger in each church. He is the head and all we are members within HIS authority structure. John is the scribe taking the dictation. Appropriately a message from the head of the body is sent via a messenger to be delivered as directed. These letters are now 'open letters' so to speak and part of the living word of God. You may be a messenger within the body of Christ in the fellowship where you minister to others. You or I may very well be the messenger to whom these letters are intended.

[jesse]

I have read part of book expounding on the idea that the parable of the sower is about the different church ages. It was by A.W.Pink. It did not compare them to the churches in Revelations (or maybe i did not read far enough) although I have heard that idea before from a guy named Micheal Pearl (although he was not fully convinced either).

Although i fully accept Dispensationalism as the most accurate biblical interpretation (no other group seems to read ALL the words in the bible), I am not really convinced of the spiritualizing or the "deeper meanings" of scripture (which all groups seem to do to some degree). Often they are great and interesting like that the stone ten commandments inside the ark were broken. Therefore all Israel (some say "everyone" but that is no doubt a stretch) broke the ten commandments. Which is great and may infact be something Christ himself would say... but i have seen it misused. There are Catholics who can do the same about doctrines i know are wrong. It is slippery ground and we need to be aware of all the literal meanings before even attempting this kind of application. Although i would say that if even dispensationalists can get it wrong then maybe understanding the literal meaning won't help in the process either. (I do like the idea of the Song of Solomon being applied to the church but is it?)

[TrustGzus]

Nothing like resurrecting a 4-year-old thread!

[Noeb]

I have read part of book expounding on the idea that the parable of the sower is about the different church ages. It was by A.W.Pink. It did not compare them to the churches in Revelations (or maybe i did not read far enough) although I have heard that idea before from a guy named Micheal Pearl (although he was not fully convinced either).

What message? I've listened to about everything he has and I've never heard him do that. I know he believes the 7 churches are church era's, but that's common.

[jesse]

Here is a link. Like i said i didn't read much of it. I was a new Christian when i read it and it seemed a little out there. In general I like dispensationalism because of its not so "out there" attitude. Meaning they generally pay close attention to what is going on. But this just seemed strange. (although Pink makes a great case for it.)

http://www.pbministries.org/books/pi...bles/index.htm

[Noeb]

I meant where Micheal Pearl talked about it.

[Liquid Tension]

Nothing like resurrecting a 4-year-old thread!

IT'S ALIVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

[jesse]

I meant where Micheal Pearl talked about it.

Ha ha! Oh! That would be harder to find. But here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0cmN_hPDeo



EDIT* What is the 4 year old thread topic for those of us who were not here 4 years ago?

[Liquid Tension]

EDIT* What is the 4 year old thread topic for those of us who were not here 4 years ago? [/COLOR]

This thread here. Post #20 was the last post back in 2008 before it was resurrected yesterday.

[amazzin]

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