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    Sorcery = Drugs In The Bible?

    The most common argument within the church against any sort of use of marijuana or other drug use is the "Pharmakeia argument". Although this argument can be heard in almost any church, it is hard to recognize in a casual Bible reading. In order to come to the conclusion of the Pharmakeia argument one needs to study the original Koinne Greek Bible text. Pharmakeia is a Greek word found in the New Testament that means medication, pharmacy, magic, sorcery and witchcraft. Its root is pharmakon which refers to a druggist, pharmacist, poisoner, magician or sorcerer. God clearly states that Pharmakeia (the use of drugs) is a sin in Galatians 5:19-20; "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft" (Pharmakeia).

    Most people are shocked when they learn that this verse refers to drug use. Contrary to popular belief, marijuana is not a new drug. In fact, just recently marijuana ashes were found in a fourth-century tomb. The drug was believed to have been smoked by a pregnant teenager sixteen hundred years ago. Some documentations of marijuana use date back as far as the nineteenth century B.C.

    The popularity and use of marijuana has increased within the past few years. This pattern of today's intensified drug use was prophesied almost two thousand years ago in the book of Revelation. There are three passages in this book that speak directly about Pharmakeia, Revelation 9:21; 21:8; and 22:15. These three verses tell of the sinfulness of drug use, the non repenting hearts of the users, the state of the end times, the separation of drug users from the kingdom of God, and their second death by placement into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. We conclude that God is very serious about how he deals with this sin.

    Marijuana is a hallucinogenic (Funk and Wagnalls 445). This is one of the reasons why using it is sorcery and witchcraft. With the use of drugs, you are opening yourself up to all sorts of spiritual attacks and seducing spirits. Mind altering drugs are used in witchcraft to alter your reality. This can be very dangerous. This is why God calls us to be sober and avoid attacks from Satan (I Peter 5:8). This implies that if we are high, we cannot avoid attacks from the evil one.

    In conclusion, marijuana is not a biblical sacrament that we must take in order to become closer to God. In fact, the Bible speaks against marijuana because it is a sin. Marijuana is clearly a stronghold that Satan has used on this world for many generations. God can deliver and heal one from an addiction to marijuana. The truth can be found only through faithfully studying the word of God.

    "The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever." (Isaiah 40:8)
    In His Love
    -Keith

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    Dude, awesome post. Great information you got together there!




    I used to smoke pot, every day. Multiple times a day. Go to work high, look forward to getting off of work to get high. Getting high! It always released me from my thoughts. I say always. It usually did. The down-side is that it caused problem-thoughts from which I had to escape again!

    Indeed, satans attacks are vibrant and punctual when you're using weed. His presense is strong, unrelenting and powerful. He's terrifying, and persistent.



    I'm glad you posted this! It's always good to have extra ammunition when facing arguments from the other side.



    -Casey

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    Does pharmakeia extends beyond marijauna.... how about pharmaceuticals? Man takes what our Creator made(plants)... twists/manipulates them into drugs and pharmaceuticals are one of the biggest killers of Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diffangle View Post
    Does pharmakeia extends beyond marijauna.... how about pharmaceuticals? Man takes what our Creator made(plants)... twists/manipulates them into drugs and pharmaceuticals are one of the biggest killers of Americans.

    You know I'm not a Bible Scholar, but again Pharmakeia is a Greek word found in the New Testament that means medication, pharmacy, magic, sorcery and witchcraft. Its root is pharmakon which refers to a druggist, pharmacist, poisoner, magician or sorcerer. So I can only look at this at face value.

    Now here is the hope in the Bible. The Lord looks at the heart. God knows if one is taking medication for a "high" or some other self absorbed reason; or is it really to relieve stress, pain, high blood pressure, cancer, diabetic supplies etc etc. So we must look at first, drug use is mentioned in the Bible and second, that it's a sin and third, God will search the heart of man to determine the usage of it.
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    I agree with the post above me. I know that God looks at the heart before He looks at the action, but I also have to say that God does take into account self-made ignorance.


    It's a hard line to cross, to say, "We should not, as Christians, take medication and pharmeceuticals for our ailments," but what, then, do you say to the mentally bound who are in horrors as schizophrenia rips through their entire being? Night after night of torment they may experience, and yet we say, "Do not take the medication."


    We believe in an Almighty God who can rescue anyone, but in our world, we see many believers suffering immensley from certain ailments. Is that to say that Chemotherapy is a sort of solution in scientific magic? Is it not the same, or similar, to ingesting a drug of some kind to heal the body?


    Where is line drawn?



    -Casey

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    Also notice that the pharmaceuticals are making so much money off their products. Many have made medications that were distributed and re-called because of side effects. Other medications have made these pharmaceuticals companies millionaires. Viagra was used first as a woman's high blood pressure medicine. It went so well for the women they thought they would expand it to the male gender. In doing so, they found a cure (or so they say) that can fix a man's erectile dysfunction. Therefore they took it off the market for two years, did more studies and re-marketed as an erectile dysfunction medication.. And made millions if not billions have been made by now for a little blue pill.. I'm sure God is looking down on them as well as those on the streets pushing crack to our kids. Sin is sin and only God can define the justice one shall receive..

    In the interim: I'm not against a medication that can help. So if you have a erectile dysfunction, this was not meant for you, it was an example I used to show how pharmaceuticals companies try to make a buck off someone's illness. Sometimes it may be for the better, and other times we find ourself looking at them in a casket. Because no one bothered to do more research before they distributed them to the retail pharmacies.
    In His Love
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    A merry heart doeth good LIKE A MEDICINE, but a broken spirit drieth the bones....
    Proverbs 17:22

    Medicine and doctors have their place... God uses them..... as He sees fit.....

    They day they come up with a pill to take away or cleanse yourself of 'sin'.. or to be 'Godly'... will be a very dangerous day... I woulnd't be suprised to see someobody try to hatch that scheme... can you imagine the money that would be made from that.. and of course... it is UNBIBLICAL.. very very very....much so....

    the Cross and the atoning sacrafice dealt away with for a 'pill'....

    I wouldnt be suprised to see that coming soon...

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    Nice post NMKeith

    Question though. Could not the word also be used to mean witchcraft?

    Many passages and words have double meaning, and in the context it would seem either is a good fit.

    Besides drug abuse is no different than drunkeness, which is frowned upon in scirpture as well.

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    Sorcery is the use of drugs to accomplish one's desires.
    The most dangerous drug on the market I believe is the most common and
    accessible and that is WORDS! How one uses words can be like a drug.

    A man can sweep a woman off her feet using the right words.
    A father can destroy or encourage his children, using words.
    A preacher can lead a flock to hell , just in his use of words.
    A teenage boy can seduce a teenage girl, just using the right words.
    The list can go on.

    Is this why the Bible warns us not to lie, speak the truth to one another.

    A young man confided in me, he would hang out in malls, and befriend
    the loneliest teenage girls he could spot. Using words he swooned them,
    buying them gifts he won their trust, over time he convinced them to
    go to another city with them for the day, only to trap them in apartment
    and put them to work in prostitution. Most teens today are not looking
    for sex, but love in the form of: words of affirmation, a gentle touch,
    gifts, quality time and acts of service, the 5 love languages.

    Children are looking for love, which the parents don't know how to give.
    But sorcerers today know how to take advantage simply with words and
    the child is snared and most times for life.

    I just wanted to share the fact that sorcery is everywhere and our kids
    need to be made AWARE so they can BEWARE.

    Great thread Keith. I appreciate your insights.

    RJ Mac

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    Really intertesting thread! But what about the rastafarians? Marijuana is major spiritual ritual for the rastas. Personally I dont think marijuana is bad, sinful, the devil's drug, ect. Its a seed that GOD gave to us on earth. Now the problem doesnt stand with marijuana is stands with the individual who smokes. If you have an addictive personality or abuse it, just like you can abuse anything, it will lead to problems.

    Used respectfully marijuana is a great gift from GOD, especially for medical use. People who are suffering from cancer, stomach illness, of course glaucoma, arthritis, etc.

    I do disagree that it is from the devil though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentile View Post
    But what about the rastafarians? Marijuana is major spiritual ritual for the rastas.
    What about the rastas?...do they believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation? They don't worship the God that I worship, so it doesn't matter to me if THEY are smokin for whatever reason, it not going to make me think it's okay to smoke it. in my culture we have witch doctors, they are not called that, but they are called healers, they are supposed to have supernatural powers to heal people while praying to a pagan god, does that mean I am going to go to them if I am sick? heck no, I will go to a doctor or ask Jesus to heal me. " by His stripes we are healed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentile View Post
    Really intertesting thread! But what about the rastafarians? Marijuana is major spiritual ritual for the rastas. Personally I dont think marijuana is bad, sinful, the devil's drug, ect. Its a seed that GOD gave to us on earth. Now the problem doesnt stand with marijuana is stands with the individual who smokes. If you have an addictive personality or abuse it, just like you can abuse anything, it will lead to problems.

    Used respectfully marijuana is a great gift from GOD, especially for medical use. People who are suffering from cancer, stomach illness, of course glaucoma, arthritis, etc.

    I do disagree that it is from the devil though.

    I'll say first that you theoretically make good points. I don't think anyone can take away what you've done here to reason that it may not be all that bad.


    And, who are we, really, to argue? If what you said were a true statement, which I don't believe it completely is, do you think it'd be okay for Christians to smoke it assuming that the opinion of it in the secular world stayed the same as it currently is?

    We must control our body in a way that is Holy and Honorable (Thes 4:4), and whether you eat or drink, do it to the glory of God (Cor. 10:31), and I know that for the layman, to get stoned, is not to the Glory of God. One, it's against the law in most countries. Whether or not we agree with that ruling isn't an issue -- fact is, since it's so looked down upon globally, it's impossible for us to Glorify Him and act honorably and smoke it at the same time.

    Even if it WEREN'T looked down upon, I equate it with alcohol in a sense. It causes the mind to not behave and respond normally (Coming from a former "Biggest pot head of all time"), and thus, I can't see how smoking glorifies Him in any way. It's a tough subject, but, if we speak realistically, we know the answer is no.


    There is no other rationalization for it. It's a no, for all christians, and that's that.



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    regardless of what it is and was, all drugs universally make you stupid and make you do things you wouldnt normally do. That means that when you willingly take them you are saying to God: "I dont find joy in you, i find joy in this plant (or whatever)". That aside, losing control of yourself is something that i believe is sinful, if you willingly take something that can lead you to sin as a consequence (because you arent in control) then your being sinful.
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    NMKeith, I am going to have to strongly disagree with your arguments. By stating that the usage of marihuana is a sin, is to put yourself above the word of the same Lord that I have so much faith in. I am an on and off user, I have never felt the need to smoke due to any sort of problems I may undergo, I use it in a social setting to feel good with friends and rarely by myself (please note that I do not need it to feel good). Also about your arguement that it is a hallucigen, well I personally don't know how much you would have to smoke to hallucinate but I have never, and I repeat NEVER hallucinated or had a misconstrued perception of reality, if anything it motivates me to learn more about the word of God. For example one day after getting "high," two door to door pastors arrived at one of my friend's house and instead of neglecting them we invited them in to have a discussion about the bible and the end times, which turned out to be one of the most uplifting experiences I have ever had. Not only did the four of us learn and discuss a lot about Revelations and other books in the bible, yet we were told by the pastors that we had been the only ones who had been willing to let them in and talk about our faith, to the extent that they were deeply gratified with us. This further proves my point that marihuana makes people more open to discussion about everything having to do with the God that I love and desire so much. For you to condone my activities as evil, sorcery and witchcraft is the most unintelligent and biased opinion I have ever heard. In fact the bible makes many references to the inhaling of insence mixed with cannabis aka marihuana in the old testament, proof that many of the ancients used this as a way to feel closer to God. Not to mention in Genesis God states, Genesis 1:29 — And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food." Remember you can also consume the plant by mouth (which actually gives a greater effect) so by you telling me that marihuana is an exception to this is like I said before, to put yourself above God's word which as any true christian knows is one of the greatest sins that exists. Marihuana is a plant, not a drug. The definition of a drug is a substance that has been chemically altered, therefore, cocaine is a drug, heroine is a drug, even nicotine is a drug yet marihuana is a plant that God has given us to make use of, which may I remind you, if you do your research... it has thousands of uses, ranging from clothing to food, all the way to a source of fuel which we so badly need in these times. Even the ancients knew of about twelve uses for the plant. Jesus as a fisherman must have used nets made out of hemp (marihuana) so how can you tell me that this simple and useful plant is a sin from the devil? I pray to God that he can intervene and change your concept on this topic of which you are so ignorant.

    God be with us all!


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    "We must control our body in a way that is Holy and Honorable (Thes 4:4), and whether you eat or drink, do it to the glory of God (Cor. 10:31), and I know that for the layman, to get stoned, is not to the Glory of God. One, it's against the law in most countries. Whether or not we agree with that ruling isn't an issue -- fact is, since it's so looked down upon globally, it's impossible for us to Glorify Him and act honorably and smoke it at the same time."



    Im sorry to say but, are you going to agree with the government and the laws in the end times they begin to persecute Christians? Laws are made by man, and sometimes, probably most of the time, they are created by senseless, irrational, ungodly men. If Christians had agreed with government and laws since the beginning of time we might all be catholics. This is just some food for though but really... think before you post here please!!! I cant believe ppl are so far from the truth and so manipulated by this erroneous system that we live in, I abide only by God's laws and what he states in the bible and as far as I'm concerned there is no passage that prohibits the use of Marihuana in the bible, if there is, please let me know! In fact if anything there are arguments that support it.
    Government, at least in the United States is a separation of Church and State so it is clear that they have different values aside from those that the bible states, and as a christian I defend my beliefs in the only one true law system that exists which is that of God.

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