Speaking in Tongues: Baptism in the Holy Spirit

[Friend of Jesus]

It's true that you can 'fake' praying in tongues, just like you can fake being slain in the Spirit. But I know if anyone told me I was faking I'd jump down their throat (which is not a good thing I know).

The speaking of tongues at the Pentecost is different to praying in tongues, which Paul says (in 1 Corinthians 14) is impossible to understand, without someone who can interpret it. For me praying in tongues is a private prayer language, that I use during worship, not something I do to show off. When praying with other people it is often better to pray in your 'normal' language.

[Slug1]

It's true that you can 'fake' praying in tongues, just like you can fake being slain in the Spirit. But I know if anyone told me I was faking I'd jump down their throat (which is not a good thing I know).

The speaking of tongues at the Pentecost is different to praying in tongues, which Paul says (in 1 Corinthians 14) is impossible to understand, without someone who can interpret it. For me praying in tongues is a private prayer language, that I use during worship, not something I do to show off. When praying with other people it is often better to pray in your 'normal' language.

That's how I've experienced others manifesting this Gift. I have not spoken in tongues myself.

[theleast]

1 Cor 12:7-11; count them... there are 9 total manifistations, tongues being 1 and the topic of this thread... leaving 8 more.

All of which are divvied up within the Body of Christ so if ALL in a church have only tongues, then something is wrong.

So would you count the shutting up of the heavens among those manifestations, or to turn water to blood, or to smite the earth with plagues?

Or fire proceeding from your mouth to devour your enemies?

3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

[Firefighter]

Tongues 101 -

There are three different types of tongues mentioned in the Bible.

Unknown - 1Co 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. It is you praying directly to God through the Spirit. This is not to be used in the assembly, period.

Known - Act 2:8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? Supernatural gifting to speak in a known earthly language.

Interpreted - 1Co 14:27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. This is the only one that should be used in church. If there is no interpreter then you should remain silent. Also there should never be more than three messages given in tongues even if they are interpreted.

Textually speaking there is NO DIFFERENCE between the "filling" of the Holy Spirit and the "Baptism" of the Holy Spirit. God does not give you something half way.

You recieve the Holy Spirit at salvation.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


You may or may not recieve the gift of tongues.

1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Tongues is not the initial evidence of the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit the Fruit of the Spirit is.

[Slug1]

So would you count the shutting up of the heavens among those manifestations, or to turn water to blood, or to smite the earth with plagues?

Or fire proceeding from your mouth to devour your enemies?

3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

That would be the Gift of Miracles... see v10.

[theleast]

That would be the Gift of Miracles v 10.

Oh so there is a subset of gifts?

Why can't we just say there are as many gifts as God desires and leave it at that?

This business of labeling smacks of the doctrine of man, and is dangerous.

[Slug1]

Oh so there is a subset of gifts?

Why can't we just say there are as many gifts as God desires and leave it at that?

This business of labeling smacks of the doctrine of man, and is dangerous.

God informed us of 9. How we manifest them in the form He wants, is up to Him based on His purpose for the manifistation.

[Firefighter]

Please re-read post 19. I added to it.

[BroRog]

Tongues 101 -

There are three different types of tongues mentioned in the Bible.

Unknown - 1Co 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. It is you praying directly to God through the Spirit. This is not to be used in the assembly, period.

Known - Act 2:8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? Supernatural gifting to speak in a known earthly language.

Interpreted - 1Co 14:27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. This is the only one that should be used in church. If there is no interpreter then you should remain silent. Also there should never be more than three messages given in tongues even if they are interpreted.

Textually speaking there is NO DIFFERENCE between the "filling" of the Holy Spirit and the "Baptism" of the Holy Spirit. God does not give you something half way.

You recieve the Holy Spirit at salvation.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


You may or may not recieve the gift of tongues.

1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Tongues is not the initial evidence of the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit the Fruit of the Spirit is.

In 1Cor. 14, Paul is not suggesting the language is universally unknown. It's just that no one in attendance understands it.

With regard to an interpreter, the person speaking can be his own interpreter as he or she should know what they intended to say. If you don't know what you intended to say, then you weren't speaking in tongues. You were just babbling.

[theleast]

God informed us of 9. How we manifest them in the form He wants, is up to Him based on His purpose for the manifistation.

God did not number them, nor did Paul.

Why should we?

[IamBill]

Tongues 101 -

There are three different types of tongues mentioned in the Bible.

Unknown - 1Co 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. It is you praying directly to God through the Spirit. This is not to be used in the assembly, period.

Known - Act 2:8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? Supernatural gifting to speak in a known earthly language.

Interpreted - 1Co 14:27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. This is the only one that should be used in church. If there is no interpreter then you should remain silent. Also there should never be more than three messages given in tongues even if they are interpreted.

Textually speaking there is NO DIFFERENCE between the "filling" of the Holy Spirit and the "Baptism" of the Holy Spirit. God does not give you something half way.

You recieve the Holy Spirit at salvation.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


You may or may not recieve the gift of tongues.

1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Tongues is not the initial evidence of the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit the Fruit of the Spirit is.

Thanks -so actually it can be one of three, a sign, a tool, or a code ? (so to speak)

[Slug1]

God did not number them, nor did Paul.

Why should we?

OK I won't number them 1-9 for you as if there is a specific order for them. 9 are presented in scripture and I referred to this fact as, "there are 9 of them". They are listed as...

v8- Wisdom, Knowledge; total of 2.
v9- Faith, Healing; total of 2.
v10- Miracles, Prophacy, Discernement, Tongues, Interpretation of Tongues; total of 5

= 9

[theleast]

OK I won't number them 1-9 for you as if there is a specific order for them. 9 are presented in scripture and I referred to this fact as, "there are 9 of them". They are listed as...

v8- Wisdom, Knowledge; total of 2.
v9- Faith, Healing; total of 2.
v10- Miracles, Prophacy, Discernement, Tongues, Interpretation of Tongues; total of 5

= 9

You say I won't number them one through 9 then you do exactly that.

/sigh

Oh well, I'm just saying don't put limitations on God.

[SoldierOfChrist]

This will sound skeptical but I'm not, nor have I ever heard anyone speak it.

I'm a bit confused about this though. The way I understand "tongues" is that it crosses ALL language barriers, that the person speaking it can be understood by ANYone regardless of the language they each individually speak/know.

So, if that IS the case, why is it possible for, say a church group, to actually hear these strange(tongues)words uttered ? -It seems the only person that would hear the "tongues" would be the one speaking it and the rest would only hear what the speaker was saying as if it where their own normal language.

I have heard of people speaking in tongues in front of others but have never experienced it myself. When it happened to me me it was in a song of praise to God and although I sort of understood what I was singing it wasn't in a language that I know or could ever repeat.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

You are thinking of the event at Pentecost which is different:

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Acts 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Acts 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

Acts 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

Acts 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

Acts 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

Acts 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Anyway if you don't speak in tongues it doesn't mean you aren't saved as some teach. The spiritual gifts can bring on exceedingly great faith in God in a person!

1 Thessalonians 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.

To prophecy or heal are better gifts because they help others.

1 Corinthians 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

If someone has the Holy Spirit they have the potential to speak in tongues, just like someone with the Holy Spirit in them has the potential to heal or to evangelise. Whether you make use of your potential is a different matter, you'll never have the gift of healing if you don't ever try to heal someone, whether the potential is there or not. You can do ALL things through the Holy Spirit, but that does not necessarily mean you will do all things through the Holy Spirit. God might give you many gifts, but if you never unwrap the present, how are you ever going to make use of it.

So once you've recieved the Holy Spirit, don't hesitate to try things.

Like it reads... don't quench the Spirit but if God wants you to heal he will let you know! From my experience he will lead you through the anointing power to do his will. You need to listen for instructions and take the lower seat.

Michael

[cheech]

Oh so there is a subset of gifts?

Why can't we just say there are as many gifts as God desires and leave it at that?

This business of labeling smacks of the doctrine of man, and is dangerous.

We all know God can bestow anything he wants to upon us...what he feels we need to do our work for the Kingdom...but the topic at hand is about tongues which falls in line with the spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit:

1Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. 2You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.

7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.

This states there are 9 spiritual gifts. This does not mean God does not give us any other "gifts" he sees fit to help us in our work, but there are specific ones which what the above verses talk about.

Lets continue with the OP's topic.