Jesus says no to war!

[jewel4Christ]

First you answer me. If killing is a sin then how is God Himself not a sinner? If killing is a sin then how can Jesus Christ escape such a sin because He will destroy many? You are tap dancing if you cannot answer that very question. God doesn't sin and yet God kills. So is there "killing" which isn't a sin?

As to who are you to tell me... not much in all honesty. Your doctrine is wrong.

So, are you saying that God is the beast?

The truth of the matter is that God uses satan as a tool to bring about correction..through governments of men...and, He has established those governing powers, but He in NO way is responsible for the evil that they ALL sow...He cannot even be tempted with evil.

Wars are the result of lust, according to the bible.

Some will say that there is such a thing as a "just" war, and I would agree to that, but, the difference is that God does not do the warfare HIMself, HE sends carnal nations to fulfill that task...whom are led of the flesh, and follow satan right into the pits of it all.

The new covenant DEMANDS and COMMANDS we beat our swords into plowshares...have you read that verse? We, as christians are supposed to be lights in a dark world...showing forth the way of love...not hiding our candles under a basket of worldly ways.

peaceandlove,

janet

[Brother Mark]

So, are you saying that God is the beast?

The truth of the matter is that God uses satan as a tool to bring about correction..through governments of men...and, He has established those governing powers, but He in NO way is responsible for the evil that they ALL sow...He cannot even be tempted with evil.

Wars are the result of lust, according to the bible.

Some will say that there is such a thing as a "just" war, and I would agree to that, but, the difference is that God does not do the warfare HIMself, HE sends carnal nations to fulfill that task...whom are led of the flesh, and follow satan right into the pits of it all.

The new covenant DEMANDS and COMMANDS we beat our swords into plowshares...have you read that verse? We, as christians are supposed to be lights in a dark world...showing forth the way of love...not hiding our candles under a basket of worldly ways.

peaceandlove,

janet

Actually, he used Joshua and even led Joshua into the war. Joshua was not a carnal man.

[jewel4Christ]

Actually, he used Joshua and even led Joshua into the war. Joshua was not a carnal man.

Let's look at the text you are referring to.

peaceandlove,

janet

[Brother Mark]

Let's look at the text you are referring to.

peaceandlove,

janet

Josh 5:13-15

13 Now it came about when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, a man was standing opposite him with his sword drawn in his hand, and Joshua went to him and said to him, "Are you for us or for our adversaries?" 14 And he said, "No, rather I indeed come now as captain of the host of the Lord." And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and bowed down, and said to him, "What has my lord to say to his servant?" 15 And the captain of the Lord's host said to Joshua, "Remove your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy." And Joshua did so.
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And not just that, but God said he would give them the land. He commanded them to go and do it. He wanted them to go to war.

[ProjectPeter]

just because God kills, does not give us the right to kill.

u can tap dance all u like, niether God or i are impressed at this dancing.

the only thing which God rejoices in in His children living in obedience, and loving as He commanded.

if u feel killing is more righteous than preaching the gospel, u may continue.
if u feel your bullet is faster than God's hand, then carry on,
but the truth stands:
NO WHERE EVER IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ARE WE TOLD TO FIGHT A PHYSICAL WAR.
try sticking to the subject!

Is God a sinner for killing?

[jewel4Christ]

That verse does not say anything about God telling him to go to war.

Could you supply another?

peaceandlove,

janet

[ProjectPeter]

God uses the governments of THIS world to fulfill His wrath, and His will for evil doers.

How He fulfills this is written down in His holy word.

He has handed the governments of this world over to SATAN, and human governments with satan as their "god" fulfill the law of reaping and sowing...those whom pick up the sword will die by the sword. God is not mocked, whatsover we sow, we will reap...and, He has said, not only is killing wrong, but hating is wrong.

We are not called to be the workers in HUMAN governments, that YES, God has set in place and uses the god of this world to work His wrath and judgements through, but you have claimed the person whom is speaking the truth on the matter does not have truth, and I believe you are wrong.

Would you care to take a look see in the word of God and find out HOW God fulfills His wrath, and judgements?

It might open some eyes.

God is NOT the God of this world, or the God of these human governments.

Begin there...they have satan as their king.

peaceandlove,

janet

Where does Scripture say any such thing?

Did Joseph now work for Pharaoh?

[ProjectPeter]

So, are you saying that God is the beast?

The truth of the matter is that God uses satan as a tool to bring about correction..through governments of men...and, He has established those governing powers, but He in NO way is responsible for the evil that they ALL sow...He cannot even be tempted with evil.

Wars are the result of lust, according to the bible.

Some will say that there is such a thing as a "just" war, and I would agree to that, but, the difference is that God does not do the warfare HIMself, HE sends carnal nations to fulfill that task...whom are led of the flesh, and follow satan right into the pits of it all.

The new covenant DEMANDS and COMMANDS we beat our swords into plowshares...have you read that verse? We, as christians are supposed to be lights in a dark world...showing forth the way of love...not hiding our candles under a basket of worldly ways.

peaceandlove,

janet

What I am saying is that God killed. You say it is a sin. Therefore... is God a sinner?

[jewel4Christ]

Is God a sinner for killing?

God uses satan to fulfill His wrath....He even raises up carnal men, such as Pharoah to fulfill it..that does NOT mean that God is the one whom is responsible for the act...or otherwise, God would be the BEAST, for example.

peaceandlove,

janet

[jewel4Christ]

What I am saying is that God killed. You say it is a sin. Therefore... is God a sinner?

I understand what you are saying, I just do not agree that it is God that is the one whom does the actual "act".

He uses satan, to fulfill His wrath, and judgements on men, and, most of the time it is through the law of reaping and sowing.

I ask you again, is God the "beast?"..was Pharoah GOD?

peaceandlove,

janet

[ProjectPeter]

God uses satan to fulfill His wrath....He even raises up carnal men, such as Pharoah to fulfill it..that does NOT mean that God is the one whom is responsible for the act...or otherwise, God would be the BEAST, for example.

peaceandlove,

janet

Did God Himself kill? Answer the question?

[jewel4Christ]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jewel4Christ
God uses the governments of THIS world to fulfill His wrath, and His will for evil doers.

How He fulfills this is written down in His holy word.

He has handed the governments of this world over to SATAN, and human governments with satan as their "god" fulfill the law of reaping and sowing...those whom pick up the sword will die by the sword. God is not mocked, whatsover we sow, we will reap...and, He has said, not only is killing wrong, but hating is wrong.

We are not called to be the workers in HUMAN governments, that YES, God has set in place and uses the god of this world to work His wrath and judgements through, but you have claimed the person whom is speaking the truth on the matter does not have truth, and I believe you are wrong.

Would you care to take a look see in the word of God and find out HOW God fulfills His wrath, and judgements?

It might open some eyes.

God is NOT the God of this world, or the God of these human governments.

Begin there...they have satan as their king.

peaceandlove,

janet

Where does Scripture say any such thing?

Did Joseph now work for Pharaoh?

Which point are you wanting scripture for?

I am not saying it is a sin to work in a human government...but, Joseph did not kill his enemies, either.


IF he did, where is that written?

peaceandlove,

janet

[Brother Mark]

I understand what you are saying, I just do not agree that it is God that is the one whom does the actual "act".

He uses satan, to fulfill His wrath, and judgements on men, and, most of the time it is through the law of reaping and sowing.

I ask you again, is God the "beast?"..was Pharoah GOD?

peaceandlove,

janet

Who killed Korah? Who killed Pharaoh and the Egyptian army?

[jewel4Christ]

Did God Himself kill? Answer the question?

I have already answered that...NO.

He has in place a law of reaping and sowing. Do you agree with that?

We all reap what we sow. If we sow war, we are most likely to die from war.

He whom takes up the sword shall die by the sword. That is a law of God...

peaceandlove,

janet

[Brother Mark]

Which point are you wanting scripture for?

I am not saying it is a sin to work in a human government...but, Joseph did not kill his enemies, either.


IF he did, where is that written?

peaceandlove,

janet

As I stated above, it was Joshua. Perhaps you thought I wrote Joseph. You would be correct in that God did not use Joseph to lead an army. But he did lead Joshua and Moses into war. Jesus will lead an army again in Rev.