David was converted as a youth. God chose him because he was a man after his own heart. From a very young age, David was born again.
Originally Posted by jewel4Christ
I will agree, you will not change my mind nor I yours.
We don't have to judge the heart. Just the action. God also commanded government to shed the blood of those evil men that shed innocent blood. I hope my government will honor that purpose God gave it.
...what God does is not what we are allowed to do. That has been said more than once. We do NOT have the capacity to know the hearts of men, as God does...and, HE ALONE has a right to take someone out..at HIS OWN calling. Now, when He uses carnal minded men and nations to fulfill His will, they do so on His direction, but NOT by indwelling of the holy spirit. That is a contradiction, because that indwelling teaches us to LOVE OUR ENEMIES..PERIOD, and love does not harm anyone...otherwise the whole word of God makes NO sense at all.
David was saved as a youth. He wasn't converted after he was a king. He continued to grow as king.
YES, they were used the same way God will use the BEAST in the end time. God is not going to be mocked, those whom take up the sword shall die by the sword....and, ONCE David was converted and indwelt, HE DESPISED the ways of this world, and WAR.
No one hates war as much as the soldier that fights it. One can hate war and still fight for what is good and right.
Look up those verses again...anyone whom has come to hate war, does NOT support war. It is a contradiction in terms, bro.
Really? So when God destroyed all the babies in the flood, were they innocent? Or when Saul was commanded to kill the men, women and children of Amalek, were they innocent? When Joshua killed all the residents that refused to leave in Jericho, were they innocent?
..and, in this case not ONE innocent was killed....and, this is what you are missing. When innocent blood is killed, God is NOT in it. Wars today are not fought without innocent blood being shed. Ask the muslim men whom have lost their woman and children, if you do not believe me. Ask the men and woman whom lay dead in the streets of jerusalem, or the men, woman and children whom lay dead in viet nam, etc...IF men fought with a bone, this would NOT be done. You are denying facts here. Why do you suppose God had them use a bone to begin with? Weapons of mass destruction are the RESULT OF evil men. When they are used, innocents are killed. God hates it and in no way would He EVER support this type of warfare. I don't care if you don't believe me...I know it to be the truth. If you go to war, you better just take a bone, or else you are not doing things in the same manner as what God would allow.
The point being, they are not as innocent as we make them out to be. When a civilization supports the war machine, they partake of that war machine. Without the support of the people, the god emperor of Japan could not have waged war, just as Agag could not wage war without his people. It will be more tolerable for Sodom in the day of judgment because of what they did not know. But it did not stop God from destroying them. To know more is to be held to the standard of the knowledge that is revealed. But in Romans 1, we know that Sodom suppressed the truth that God did reveal to them.
I already explained that to you, but you did not "get IT". They were innocent in more than ONE way. They will be raised, and judged by what they had available to them in that day. The word of God speaks to that. It will be more tolerable on the day of judgement, for example for the cities of sodom and gomorrah, than it will be for Jerusalem this side of the new covenant. The bible says that during that time, of IGNORANCE< God is able to overlook their unbelief..and, He alone will judge them fairly in the coming judgement. You must rightly divide the word of God, and stop making it contradict itself everywhere. Now, answer my question..why is it OK for you to kill innocents, while you think in your mind that God is sending you to do what has been done to others? Is God confusion? Does He speak out of both sides of His mouth? No, and in fact, He detests that twosided mouth issue, and that too, is written.
Sure I did. I answered it, and as you said to me, you didn't get it. Because God is not a God of war. It's not what he is all about. Though he does do it because it is a need. He raises up his men to do it. So David was not allowed because he was a man of war. Doesn't mean he was out of character with God, just that is not the part of God that reigns supreme. Mercy is better than judgment and that is what God wishes to display.
You did not answer the question. WHY was David NOT allowed to build a house of WORSHIP to the ONE true God, while he was in his "war" state?
Samson, having the Holy Spirit upon him is not carnal. When God raises up other nations to war, he doesn't do so with his holy Spirit. It is the Prince of Babylon that he uses for that. But when it is His Children that are to fight, then he uses the Holy Spirit.
"May the Lamb that was slain receive the just reward for His sufferings." A quote by Moravian missionary that sold himself (along with a friend) into slavery to reach those that the slave owner prevented from hearing the gospel.
May I live for Him and not for me.