Jesus says no to war!

[evrgreenjhawk]

24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

shall we kill the tares ?

29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

no let them live - your bombs may hit my followers
30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

direct command to let them grow and then let god reap them







38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

so christ would have said yes go gather those tares and burn them whenever you see them. but he didnt - he said let them grow.

and the harvest is not till the end of the world - so no early harvest -- and the angels are the reapers not man

but many will tell you they are the reapers - and that they are to pluck the tares from the ground early.

So we don't nuke em (sorry I needed a chuckle) still I don't see that it says to NOT tend the wheat. Any field with wheat and weeds left alone will not yield a harvest I assure you, (Jayhawk is not in my name for no reason )
I still agree we are given authority to tend to Gods seed/crop/harvest through our labors, whether that crop be our own family or neighbors or those in need.

[fewarechosen]

So we don't nuke em (sorry I needed a chuckle) still I don't see that it says to NOT tend the wheat. Any field with wheat and weeds left alone will not yield a harvest I assure you, (Jayhawk is not in my name for no reason )
I still agree we are given authority to tend to Gods seed/crop/harvest through our labors, whether that crop be our own family or neighbors or those in need.

lol im sure your right , no field would grow up with earthly seed, but remember this is gods seed.

see it how you see it -- but you have christs words, with his servants asking should we pluck it -- and the answer is no.

he even goes on to say the tares are the children of the wicked one. so when you see a wicked person who commited all kinds of atrocities, think about it god himself said dont pluck him. his servents will listen.

may we both continue to grow in knowledge and love of the lord

also remember he was only addressing his servents in these parables - not the whole world-- the world is gonna do what the world is gonna do--- but his servents have been forbidden to pluck them

[IamBill]

and the seed is what ?

and who sows the seed ?

[fewarechosen]

and the seed is what ?

and who sows the seed ?

37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

[RoadWarrior]

and the seed is what ?

and who sows the seed ?

Great questions Bill! The seed -

the good seeds are the children of the kingdom
the bad seeds are the children of the wicked one

the good seeds are planted by the Son of Man
the bad seeds are planted by the enemy, the Devil

The reapers are the angels.

He doesn't tell us who the servants are, but they are not the "wheat" are they!

It is not the job of the wheat to tend the field. It is the job of the Lord.

But I completely fail to see how this parable has anything to do with the subject of war.

[ProjectPeter]

That is another gross misrepresentation of Scripture truth be told. Jesus is talking about tares sowed among the believers and He is speaking of the church... the body. He isn't speaking of the world as a whole.

Let's call this what it is. Taking Scripture and trying to make it say what you want it to say so as to side with your point and doctrine.

[fewarechosen]

That is another gross misrepresentation of Scripture truth be told. Jesus is talking about tares sowed among the believers and He is speaking of the church... the body. He isn't speaking of the world as a whole.

Let's call this what it is. Taking Scripture and trying to make it say what you want it to say so as to side with your point and doctrine.

38The field is the world

from christ in the simplest of simple terms, and we get accused of altering scripture.


the fig tree is the parable of the church --- and the fig tree gets shaken of its untimely figs, before the reaping -- 2 different things



and now lets really call it what it is

13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

[IamBill]

Mr 4:14 The Sower Soweth the word

[IamBill]

yes RW and PP --I don't understand the usage in this thread

[ProjectPeter]

38The field is the world

from christ in the simplest of simple terms, and we get accused of altering scripture.


the fig tree is the parable of the church --- and the fig tree gets shaken of its untimely figs, before the reaping -- 2 different things



and now lets really call it what it is

13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

Sure it is the world as is the church in the world. Jesus was and always is speaking of the kingdom of God. The parable isn't about WAR. Isn't ANTI war or PRO war. Has nothing to do with governments doing what governments do. It has not a thing to do with anything this topic is about. That's my point.

The church isn't bombing anyone. The church isn't wielding a physical "sword" (insert modern day weaponry). The church isn't "pro-war." The church isn't all excited because folks are getting killed, blown up, or any such as that.

No one in this thread is pro-war. It would be a lovely thing if it wasn't necessary. Problem is... there's a time for everything.

I've seen you guys post from Solomon's writing so let's see if you're true to Scripture.

Ecclesiastes 3:1 *There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven --
2 *A time to give birth, and a time to die; A time to plant, and a time to uproot what is planted.
3 *A time to kill, and a time to heal; A time to tear down, and a time to build up.
4 *A time to weep, and a time to laugh; A time to mourn, and a time to dance.
5 *A time to throw stones, and a time to gather stones; A time to embrace, and a time to shun embracing.
6 *A time to search, and a time to give up as lost; A time to keep, and a time to throw away.
7 *A time to tear apart, and a time to sew together; A time to be silent, and a time to speak.
8 *A time to love, and a time to hate; A time for war, and a time for peace.
9 *¶What profit is there to the worker from that in which he toils?
10 *I have seen the task which God has given the sons of men with which to occupy themselves.
11 *He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end.

Now... I bold typed some of that for you to make it easy. Is it true or false? If true... then who are we to say IT ISN'T TIME GOD!

[fewarechosen]

Mr 4:14 The Sower Soweth the word

37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

because they have the word in them , i totally agree

[fewarechosen]

go no further peter seriously
you posted this

Sure it is the world as is the church in the world

you just added as the church IN the world

you accuse us of adding things then go do what you just accused us of.

he told you the parable

then explained it -- now you change his words


the field is the world ---- the seed in it is the followers --- which is the church.

take christs word for it -- the field is the world

[evrgreenjhawk]

I only had one question didn't mean to lead this whole thing off topic

[IamBill]

the seed is the word , few

edit: Now who/what is the word ?

[ProjectPeter]

Did you miss that passage? Sure you did because it doesn't work for you. Simple biblical truth. There is a time for war just as there is a time for peace. You hate that because you hate war. That's cool. I do too. But what you refuse to understand is that there is sure enough a time for it.

Jesus did not condemn war because Jesus too knew that there was a time for it. The church was not to wage it and that's Jesus' point. His body wasn't to wage war. His body doesn't although in history there have been those that claim to be who have tried. God stopped that as well and that "church" suffered the loss and will suffer even more come one day. But point is the same.... Jesus always spoke about the kingdom of God. The parables were very much about that. This parable happens to be about the last of days. It isn't about nations going to war. It isn't about how governments should run. It shouldn't be used as such. Jesus is speaking to His body and letting His body know that the reapers will attend to the tares come on day. We, the body, don't have to.

Again... you've grossly misused the passage to try and make it fit what it is that you believe.

Matthew 13:24 ¶He presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field.