Jesus says no to war!

[jewel4Christ]

Janet, I know the parable well. It is not about war. It is about the Kingdom of God. Spend some time in Matthew 13 and see what you can learn about the similarities between all the parables in that group.

Hi,

I read it in CONTEXT of the WHOLE word of God....

when someone says or insinuates that we as christians need to go to war to pluck up the evil ones, well.....you know.

Let God do it.

peaceandlove,

janet

[ProjectPeter]

your so right -- i guess what some people want to hear is -time for war - time for war.

but we all have our faults myself included so perhaps this was needed, nothing like a good family scrap to bring everyone closer.

so peace all , and you too project peter, may god keep you safe from the wars,because lots of them are coming.

And we see you run from that particular passage right? Simple question that we can all watch you refuse to answer.... IS there a time for war?

[RoadWarrior]

Hi Roadwarrior,

Thank you for your kind words..It is not my intention to do away with the old covenant, Jesus shed blood already did that...for us, it was out schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, once there, you no longer need it.

Their seems to be a controversy here as to what covenant christians are under..I will stand with the truth on the matter, and PP keeps saying that there is a time for war, and I agree, that time is past for christians, though...we stand in the time that we must beat our swords into pruning hooks, and even though some do not yet understand that, what we have been accused in this thread is not true.

We have NEVER questioned anyone's salvation.

For crying out loud, if you all are going to accuse, at least read this thread and see what we have said.

I, for one am at the point to where I am not going to respond to any more posts in this thread, because I learned a long time ago that when it becomes a discussion where nothing flies but accusations, it is time remain silent.

Let's just say we disagree and decide to move on to other things.

peaceandlove,

janet

Well there definitely is a time to wrap things up, and this might be it. But I will say one more time, Janet, there is more to the OT than the covenant. I am not talking to you about the covenant.

The unfortunate naming convention has people thinking that the Tanakh (a different word for what Christians call the Old Testament) is all about law and that none of it applies any longer. But the character of God is still the character of God. He is not a different God in the NT than He was to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is the same yesterday, today and forever.

So I will not call it OT any more. I will call it Tanakh. It is a wonderful and precious history of the interaction of God with His chosen people. In those pages for example, we learn many of the Names of God and how they describe His character. He is not what we make Him out to be, He is what He is. And He has gone to great lengths to communicate Himself to us. We are terribly remiss to discard 44 books that tell us about Him. They are all love letters from Him, and every word is precious.

If you have the strength and the courage to live what you have advocated here in this thread, Janet, I commend you. But I urge you not to miss the rest of the story.

[ProjectPeter]

You appear to be implying that the time to kill must apply to all people at all times and that it must also pertain to killing people.
The context in Ecc. would make it apply to everyday practical things, not to say that it couldn't apply to war under the OT system. It can apply, let's say for example, healing a broken leg on a calf on a farm, then the time comes when that same calf is grown and ready to be killed for meat to feed the family. There is a time for everything, for healing and for killing, everything in it's own season.
There is a time for the wicked to be killed, but again, every thing in it's own time and season. God will kill the wicked at his return. The NT reveals that vengeance does not belong to Christians. If a carnal government such as the US decides to take vengeance, then that is God's to deal with and use as he may see fit. It is not for the follower of Jesus to go outside of His boundaries for them and presume upon themselves to not obey the NT obligation because by their reasoning it doesn't make sense.

Etc. etc. etc. Is there a time for war according to Scripture?

[fewarechosen]

And we see you run from that particular passage right? Simple question that we can all watch you refuse to answer.... IS there a time for war?

toooo funny dude go look at your post 1005 , you quoted me saying yes there is a time for war

lol then go look at post 1013 and 1017

then i reference it in another post, you quote it and ask again ,

i mean this is now wayyyyy to funny



time for war time for war

[Alaska]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ProjectPeter
Well no... let's notice the truth here Hoss. There's a time for peace. Also a time for war. You won't acknowledge that fact because OH MY!!!! HOW CAN IT BE!!! Problem is.. you tear up Scripture and by and large rape it so as to fit your little cause. How sweet it would be if there was never war. There is a time when that will be so. But until that time you live in Never Never Land with little old Peter Pan. It's a great world I suppose but problem is... it's MAKE BELIEVE. There is no such place.

I long for that day as does many a soldier. But when I see folks like you who call it a sin to wage that war.... says who? Your doctrine is so full of holes I can't even count them all. Grab a verse here and grab a verse there and pretend it backs you up? Yeah.... like I've shown already.... you are so far from context it is really and truly sad.

Well there you have it folks....



peaceandlove,

janet

[RoadWarrior]

your so right -- i guess what some people want to hear is -time for war - time for war.

but we all have our faults myself included so perhaps this was needed, nothing like a good family scrap to bring everyone closer.

so peace all , and you too project peter, may god keep you safe from the wars,because lots of them are coming.

Your last statement is very true. Jesus said there will be wars, and rumours of wars, but the end is not yet. No, dear heart, we do not want war, what are you crazy!!!? Only crazy people would want war. We are not crazy. But we are realistic. We live in a real world, and it is not pretty.

And since we do know that "lots of them are coming" we know that we need to be ready - on as many levels as possible.

I'd like to say "pack your rapture bag" but I'm afraid a lot of us are going to see tribulation such as we have never imagined. Some of us old geezers might be gone, but you young'uns might have some hard times.

I will still pray that our soldiers will be able to hold the wolf at bay, and not allow him to enter into our country. The foxes are already here.

[RoadWarrior]

Hi,

I read it in CONTEXT of the WHOLE word of God....

when someone says or insinuates that we as christians need to go to war to pluck up the evil ones, well.....you know.

Let God do it.

peaceandlove,

janet

Dear Heart, you and I are not communicating, I can see that. We do not go to war to pluck up the evil ones. Sorry, you just keep doing what you think we do - you accuse.

We are not fighting the tares when we go to war.

[fewarechosen]

Your last statement is very true. Jesus said there will be wars, and rumours of wars, but the end is not yet. No, dear heart, we do not want war, what are you crazy!!!? Only crazy people would want war. We are not crazy. But we are realistic. We live in a real world, and it is not pretty.

And since we do know that "lots of them are coming" we know that we need to be ready - on as many levels as possible.

I'd like to say "pack your rapture bag" but I'm afraid a lot of us are going to see tribulation such as we have never imagined. Some of us old geezers might be gone, but you young'uns might have some hard times.

I will still pray that our soldiers will be able to hold the wolf at bay, and not allow him to enter into our country. The foxes are already here.

peace roadwarrior, and you know what i totally agree ,with your last sentences also. trust me im cheering for us in this country.

[RoadWarrior]

peace roadwarrior, and you know what i totally agree ,with your last sentences also. trust me im cheering for us in this country.

I am very glad to hear that.

Now I'm going to say goodnight. Somehow I think I will be up in the night praying again.

[jewel4Christ]

You appear to be implying that the time to kill must apply to all people at all times and that it must also pertain to killing people.
The context in Ecc. would make it apply to everyday practical things, not to say that it couldn't apply to war under the OT system. It can apply, let's say for example, healing a broken leg on a calf on a farm, then the time comes when that same calf is grown and ready to be killed for meat to feed the family. There is a time for everything, for healing and for killing, everything in it's own season.
There is a time for the wicked to be killed, but again, every thing in it's own time and season. God will kill the wicked at his return. The NT reveals that vengeance does not belong to Christians. If a carnal government such as the US decides to take vengeance, then that is God's to deal with and use as he may see fit. It is not for the follower of Jesus to go outside of His boundaries for them and presume upon themselves to not obey the NT obligation because by their reasoning it doesn't make sense.

Amen.

The time for war in this passage is speaking of the difference between the old and new covenants.

The new covenant speaks of a command to beat one's sword into a pruning hook...hmmm, was that just a suggestion?

Or, was it a new day?..and, I am speaking in context of "christians", not the world. Job was a christian when he spoke this...I think that is what we are somehow forgetting..or at least some of us...appear to be forgetting.

Am I reading you right, PP?

peaceandlove,

janet

[ProjectPeter]

toooo funny dude go look at your post 1005 , you quoted me saying yes there is a time for war

lol then go look at post 1013 and 1017

then i reference it in another post, you quote it and ask again ,

i mean this is now wayyyyy to funny



time for war time for war

According to that passage... who dictates when that time is?'

Clues for you.

Ecclesiastes 3:11 He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end.

and

Ecclesiastes 8:6 For there is a proper time and procedure for every delight, when a man's trouble is heavy upon him.
7 If no one knows what will happen, who can tell him when it will happen?
8 No man has authority to restrain the wind with the wind, or authority over the day of death; and there is no discharge in the time of war, and evil will not deliver those who practice it.

[ProjectPeter]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ProjectPeter
Well no... let's notice the truth here Hoss. There's a time for peace. Also a time for war. You won't acknowledge that fact because OH MY!!!! HOW CAN IT BE!!! Problem is.. you tear up Scripture and by and large rape it so as to fit your little cause. How sweet it would be if there was never war. There is a time when that will be so. But until that time you live in Never Never Land with little old Peter Pan. It's a great world I suppose but problem is... it's MAKE BELIEVE. There is no such place.

I long for that day as does many a soldier. But when I see folks like you who call it a sin to wage that war.... says who? Your doctrine is so full of holes I can't even count them all. Grab a verse here and grab a verse there and pretend it backs you up? Yeah.... like I've shown already.... you are so far from context it is really and truly sad.

Well there you have it folks....



peaceandlove,

janet

Is there a time for war and who mandates that time?

[jewel4Christ]

Well there definitely is a time to wrap things up, and this might be it. But I will say one more time, Janet, there is more to the OT than the covenant. I am not talking to you about the covenant.

The unfortunate naming convention has people thinking that the Tanakh (a different word for what Christians call the Old Testament) is all about law and that none of it applies any longer. But the character of God is still the character of God. He is not a different God in the NT than He was to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is the same yesterday, today and forever.

So I will not call it OT any more. I will call it Tanakh. It is a wonderful and precious history of the interaction of God with His chosen people. In those pages for example, we learn many of the Names of God and how they describe His character. He is not what we make Him out to be, He is what He is. And He has gone to great lengths to communicate Himself to us. We are terribly remiss to discard 44 books that tell us about Him. They are all love letters from Him, and every word is precious.

If you have the strength and the courage to live what you have advocated here in this thread, Janet, I commend you. But I urge you not to miss the rest of the story.

We will see if this needs to close, I am still hoping for a few conclusions to be settled.

As for the old covenant...I agree there is more to it than law. There are the prophets, and the psalms, and the proverbs, all which are written for our learning, even today.

The law books, though...they are what is not for us.

Genesis is a really good book to understand the beginning of things, in mho...and, especially to understand WHY God had to ADD the law books..

peaceandlove,

janet

[ProjectPeter]

peace roadwarrior, and you know what i totally agree ,with your last sentences also. trust me im cheering for us in this country.

Really? Please tell me how that is when you call what is being done ungodly? I am truly interested in how it is that you make this work in your mind.