Is "democracy" the beast government?

[ProjectPeter]

, otherwise, why don't we all just go talk to a corner and learn nothing?

peaceandlove,

janet

That is an option. But this isn't going to be just another anti-war thread. I closed that one and will close it again if it starts up. You were going to show how democracy was the beast or beast system as you are now taking to calling it . You should be able to do that without getting into the war talk. I closed that thread for a reason... would like to not close this one for the same.

[ProjectPeter]

I have been answering the questions about this when that subject comes up, which it has again in this thread...are you saying I should just ignore those points?

Where is freedom today? I believe that Christ set me free, but men try to subdue it..somehow.



peaceandlove,

janet

Freedom is nothing but part of the beast system of democracy... you ought not be that bugged out about it. And yes Janet... think on that. Yes... ignore those points because they are simply coming from the same folks in that old thread that I closed. Plus we have some new members to the peanut gallery and I suspect that isn't by accident. So if you want to continue the thread... ignore the post.

[quiet dove]

It is simple here folks, this is not a war/anti-war thread, if it becomes one, it is no longer and ETC thread.

Also, cut out the insinuating discussion about other posters, it's obvious, even when you don't mention the names!!

[fewarechosen]

ok i posted this earlier and im curious to see if roadwarrior or project peter agree with anything i have to say in it or is it just so far out there and somehow i am preaching anti war

Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadWarrior
My question though, is this. What if you are successful in convincing people that democracy is a tool of the devil? Would you have us to overthrow our government? If so, what kind of government do you recommend for us instead?


your not going to change the minds of people who do not know christ. they will always be the majority- never minority -- i should make that clear as to what i mean

we subject ourselves to the laws of the land

but we come out from it - we are held to a much higher standard

but as people who have the holy spirit - we are to be as harmless as doves

all governments are tools of the devil
for all governments are subject to the people in them

and the wicked are children of the devil

the government is subject to the wicked
so the devil uses all governments

can you agree at all with anything in bold ?

[jewel4Christ]

But you have not answered my question, Janet. You started this thread to talk about government, the "beast government" - so I think I have asked a fair question.

Hi Roadwarrior. I have answered that question in this thread several times. We, as christians cannot serve two masters according to the word of God. Now, we all must choose whether or not our conscience is pricked by that or not, ok?

Your words clearly show that you are against the American style of government, so I ask again. What government do you prefer that we have?

I prefer God's, and I don't choose any other.

Everyone else is free to make their own choice.

You ask that we not question your motives. OK, I'm avoiding that, but I'm questioning the direction in which you are headed. What is your goal? If the goal is to turn people away from the government under which we live, what is the alternative?

The bible commands that none of us judge the motive of anyone before the time...(the time reference is HIS second coming), because He will bring to light all the inner workings of every man...we cannot know that, and I would hope that as christians, we would never judge the motive of one of our own...and, I am not saying you are, but we should all be reminded.

With that said, the only GOAL I want to come from this thread, is for all christians everywhere to get out of their comfort zones, and look into these things for themselves.


I am not here to change anyone's mind, and niether do I even believe I could.

I once fought this same mindset that I now speak to.


That is all.

peaceandlove,

janet

[jewel4Christ]

It is simple here folks, this is not a war/anti-war thread, if it becomes one, it is no longer and ETC thread.

Also, cut out the insinuating discussion about other posters, it's obvious, even when you don't mention the names!!

I am fine with not making this an anti war thread, but, since I have been accused of that, I am not going to stand there and say nothing.

I am still a bit carnal, too......

peaceandlove,

janet

[ProjectPeter]

Reposting this... apparently you missed it.

First let us begin a foundation, ok?..truth is built on a foundation.

1 john 4

12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.


We know that while Jesus was here in the flesh, and was God, so this is speaking of "seeing God" as HE IS...in His full glory...for God is spirit.

With that foundation,

Not so fast though on this "that foundation" thing. What you say here can be taken several ways and I won't agree to it just on what you have here.

What has this to do with the return of Jesus? You do know that while Jesus was God and one with God... Jesus is still not the Father physically. If you believe otherwise then we'll have a problem with this foundation.

[jewel4Christ]

all governments are tools of the devil
for all governments are subject to the people in them

and the wicked are children of the devil

the government is subject to the wicked
so the devil uses all governments

can you agree at all with anything in bold ?

I agree fully.

There is only ONE righteouss government, it is called the government of God..otherwise known as the "Kingdom of God".

Isa 9:

1
Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations. F52


2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.


3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.


4 For thou hast broken the yoke of his burden, and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, as in the day of Midian

. 5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.


6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

..and, He did...through the shed blood of Jesus Christ our Lord.

peaceandlove,

janet

[pinky]

Okay... how?

In a nutshell. Men put their faith and/or trust in democracy and it's process.

[jewel4Christ]

Freedom is nothing but part of the beast system of democracy... you ought not be that bugged out about it. And yes Janet... think on that. Yes... ignore those points because they are simply coming from the same folks in that old thread that I closed. Plus we have some new members to the peanut gallery and I suspect that isn't by accident. So if you want to continue the thread... ignore the post.

What have I ignored? You just questioned the new members motives, also..that is not right, Pete.

Perhaps, I should not of started this thread?

If so, please delete it.

peaceandlove,

janet

[jewel4Christ]

Reposting this... apparently you missed it.


Not so fast though on this "that foundation" thing. What you say here can be taken several ways and I won't agree to it just on what you have here.

What has this to do with the return of Jesus? You do know that while Jesus was God and one with God... Jesus is still not the Father physically. If you believe otherwise then we'll have a problem with this foundation.

I was asked to show this.

...and, I am not going to derail this thread further by answering more questions about it...but, I will say that I don't understand why you bring up the "Jesus is not the Father" issue. It does not matter to me, Jesus is God.

peaceandlove,

janet

[jewel4Christ]

In a nutshell. Men put their faith and/or trust in democracy and it's process.

Exactly.

God is a jealous God...and, He demands FULL faith and trust in HIM, alone...otherwise, you have jumped on that "beast" and ridin' with the harlot.

I jumped off a few years back.....

peaceandlove,

janet

[jewel4Christ]

Okay... so you meant something different than what you said in the original post?

I am growing in understanding as I have done this study. For example, Quietdove pointed out that the beast is a "he" along with you.

At first I could not see that, and then I came back and made a post as to how I had prayed about it and wa la....there it was.

The beast is actually used interchangeably in God's word as both the beast sytem, and the "he" that the beast system/ten kings gives it's full allegience to.

So, forgive me for growing...?

peaceandlove,

janet

[jewel4Christ]

That is an option. But this isn't going to be just another anti-war thread. I closed that one and will close it again if it starts up. You were going to show how democracy was the beast or beast system as you are now taking to calling it . You should be able to do that without getting into the war talk. I closed that thread for a reason... would like to not close this one for the same.

I am fine with that.

I did not bring the subject up....(war)

peaceandlove,

janet

[RoadWarrior]

ok i posted this earlier and im curious to see if roadwarrior or project peter agree with anything i have to say in it or is it just so far out there and somehow i am preaching anti war

Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadWarrior
My question though, is this. What if you are successful in convincing people that democracy is a tool of the devil? Would you have us to overthrow our government? If so, what kind of government do you recommend for us instead?

....

all governments are tools of the devil
for all governments are subject to the people in them

and the wicked are children of the devil

the government is subject to the wicked
so the devil uses all governments

can you agree at all with anything in bold ?

No, I do not agree with the first line, and the rest are meaningless relative to what you are saying.

If you are advocating the destruction of the government of our country, then I can ony guess that you are preferring anarchy or Islam.

It is one thing to preach and teach that Christians should be obedient to God, and another thing entirely to preach that the government is the antichrist. One builds up the body, and the other threatens the house in which we live. Whether or not we like our government, it is better than anything else I see out there in the world.

As I always say to people who do not like our government, there are other countries where you can go and live. Why are you still here?