Is "democracy" the beast government?

[fewarechosen]

Do you think God and Jesus are the one and same Janet... Not One but Three... But just one? And my post to you was again in the fact that you said this is the foundation on all this other stuff. I am simply saying that if this is the foundation then we need to establish exactly what you mean. It has everything to do with this thread what with it being YOU that said that this is the foundation of your belief in the matter we were discussing. I am simply quoting what YOU said. I didn't say it.

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

are you saying they are not one ?

incase you are confused they are three that bear record -- and they are ONE

[jewel4Christ]

No, the other post on this subject I laid out the foundation...You said I had missed the post, but I had answered it, maybe it disappeared in cyber space? I don't know.

I am not going to repost it, though.

Do I believe Jesus is literally God the Father?

I believe that Jesus and God the Father are literally ONE God.

What does that have to do with this thread?

Never mind, please don't answer..for then I would have to answer this post again, and I don't want to....it is completely derailing this thread.

peaceandlove,

janet Do you think God and Jesus are the one and same Janet... Not One but Three... But just one? And my post to you was again in the fact that you said this is the foundation on all this other stuff. I am simply saying that if this is the foundation then we need to establish exactly what you mean. It has everything to do with this thread what with it being YOU that said that this is the foundation of your belief in the matter we were discussing. I am simply quoting what YOU said. I didn't say it.

I believe in ONE God, whom has been revealed to mankind in the three persons of Father, Son and Holy spirit.

What does that have to do with this thread?..my other post that this particular discussion was not even about that topic...the one I laid the foundation on, it was about how when Jesus comes, He will destroy the wicked with the brightness of His coming..remember?



peaceandlove,

janet

[ProjectPeter]

I believe in ONE God, whom has been revealed to mankind in the three persons of Father, Son and Holy spirit.

What does that have to do with this thread?..my other post that this particular discussion was not even about that topic...the one I laid the foundation on, it was about how when Jesus comes, He will destroy the wicked with the brightness of His coming..remember?



peaceandlove,

janet

Jesus, separate but one? Because if you think Jesus is literally God the Father then we have a difference in the foundation. That's why it is important and that's my point. Not sure why this is hard to get on your end Janet. It seems you think Jesus is literally God just in a different form but not separate. In other words... the Trinity. You sound like you hold closer to the oneness doctrine but waiting still for you to clarify.

[fewarechosen]

Jesus, separate but one? Because if you think Jesus is literally God (the question you are seeming to avoid) then we have a difference in the foundation. That's why it is important and that's my point. Not sure why this is hard to get on your end Janet. It seems you think Jesus is literally God just in a different form but not separate. In other words... the Trinity. You sound like you hold closer to the oneness doctrine but waiting still for you to clarify.

you say he is seperate ?

I and my Father are one


is your arm seperate from you ?

[ProjectPeter]

you say he is seperate ?

Um... yes. Ever heard of what is called the Trinity? All God... three distinct persons (trying to keep it easy)?

[fewarechosen]

Um... yes. Ever heard of what is called the Trinity? All God... three distinct persons (trying to keep it easy)?

i only read scripture i dont go into man made doctrine

please find trinity in scripture-- or else i will know you are following man made doctrine

[ProjectPeter]

i only read scripture i dont go into man made doctrine

please find trinity in scripture-- or else i will know you are following man made doctrine

Yeah... pretty much what I figured. Let me point you guys to the rules of this board. You might want to familiarize yourself with them.

[fewarechosen]

Yeah... pretty much what I figured. Let me point you guys to the rules of this board. You might want to familiarize yourself with them.

im not denouncing trinity at all im just saying find it in scripture

[pinky]

I have one last statement to make, and then I am done with this nonsense.

This is the country we live in. This is the government we have. I have traveled elsewhere in the world, have you? When I came home after my first trip to the Middle East, I had a very strong inclination to embrace the earth - as the old saying goes, to kiss the ground.

As far short as this country falls from perfection, it is better than most others. Far better than Islamic countries. Far better than communist countries.

If you wish to talk about the beast and who he is, then I suggest you start by querying the text and see what the Bible actually says about him before you jump to a conclusion. In this thread, you have started with your theory, then have worked to make scripture support it. That's not how legitimate scholarship works.

If you want to study the Bible and seek to know the mind of God, try a different method.

If what you really want is to destroy America, you are on the right track. Revolution begins by hating the government under which you live. Anarchy and destruction follow.

I'm done.

Hi Roadwarrior.

Before you leave, can you please explain how you conclude that anyone is promoting anarchy or Islam?

Thank you in advance,
pinky

[theleast]

No, all Governments aren't tools of the devil. You'll have no Scripture to support such as that either. Do you believe that Israel was a tool of satan? Come on now... give us some Bible!!!

Do you think Israel did not stray from God's covenent?

Let me remind you it was the Pharisees that brought charges against Christ and choose Barabas the murder over Christ.

[theleast]

I have one last statement to make, and then I am done with this nonsense.

If what you really want is to destroy America, you are on the right track.

Nobody in this thread is trying to destroy America.

God will take care of that on his own.

The point of this thread is to point out that America is a sinfull nation, and one that is the heart of Babylon.

[theleast]

If Democracy is such a great form of government then why didn't God choose Democracy to run Israel?

Why did he use monarchy instead?

Democracy is a failed form of government because you give the uneducated, and those unfamiliar with politics and economics, the same decision making capabilities as the rest.

Would you want someone uneducated in medicine to perform heart surgery on you?

[fewarechosen]

Nobody in this thread is trying to destroy America.

God will take care of that on his own.

The point of this thread is to point out that America is a sinfull nation, and one that is the heart of Babylon.

yea i agree -- that was all quoted from someone else - none of my words

[pinky]

Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.





2Cr 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


Satan is the god of this world.

He offered to give ALL earthly kingdoms to Christ.

Therefore, ALL nations of this world are under satans influence.

Individuals are called out of the world by the power of the Gospel ONLY.

[pinky]

If Democracy is such a great form of government then why didn't God choose Democracy to run Israel?

Why did he use monarchy instead?

Democracy is a failed form of government because you give the uneducated, and those unfamiliar with politics and economics, the same decision making capabilities as the rest.

Would you want someone uneducated in medicine to perform heart surgery on you?

Excellent point.