It becomes confusing, because his "system" is called the "beast" also...and, I am becoming clearer on that, too. There is a man referred to as "the beast", as used by the term "he", and I did some pondering on that, and thought about it and prayed, and guess what?
It is like the word of God is using this term "beast" in two ways...
Once for the man whom will be the ultimate authority of it, and the ten kings that also give him their authority.
So, the word is used interchangeably...for example, the bible also says, "the whore rides the beast". Does that mean a literal woman rides a literal man? hmmmmm, nope, but pardon the expression...but, I do believe that is why she is a harlot, she has left Christ and is having .....spiritual fornication with the god of this world.
It means that the woman is the false church, and she is riding the beast system...which is of the world.
Is "democracy" the beast government?
I believe it is.
are we still there?
But you have not answered my question, Janet. You started this thread to talk about government, the "beast government" - so I think I have asked a fair question.
Your words clearly show that you are against the American style of government, so I ask again. What government do you prefer that we have?
You ask that we not question your motives. OK, I'm avoiding that, but I'm questioning the direction in which you are headed. What is your goal? If the goal is to turn people away from the government under which we live, what is the alternative?
Proverbs 4:2323 Guard your heart above all else,
for it determines the course of your life.
And as to Rice's comments.... I don't really care. She's a politician and they talk like politicians. It means nothing in the grand scheme of things. I'm interested in Scripture on this issue because that's all that matters on the matter.
Here and elsewhere you seem to suggest that you think the OP is saying that the beast is a government system.
Yet a couple of posts before this post of yours you said the following.......
Yes, that is the subject of the OP. I haven't seen anyone claim that the beast himself is a governmental system.Okay... let me be a bit more firm. This thread is about explaining how the beast government is democracy.
I may have overlooked it though.
So, as far as I am concerned if someone brings that discussion up, as a point in this thread, it should be allowed...to be debated, otherwise, why don't we all just go talk to a corner and learn nothing?
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I have been answering the questions about this when that subject comes up, which it has again in this thread...are you saying I should just ignore those points?
Where is freedom today? I believe that Christ set me free, but men try to subdue it..somehow.
I see the talmudism as the "whore" that is riding the beast and it's system...and, many christians are going back to the law, so that is why it all fits together....Hi sis.
I agree with so much of what you are saying.
However, I see this 'democracy' (so called) that is being brought to other nations by force .................. in it's truest philosophical/religious/legalistic sense.......... is talmudism.
Yep, probably the same as this thread..no one wants to have an open enough mind, it seems...because it offends their "view".(But that is a bit of a long and involved subject that usually causes problems when trying to disscuss it openly.)
I must say something here...there was once a time, when I was on that side of the road.
God called me out of it...(that particular ditch). Does that mean that I want to offend my brethren? No, not at all, I want them to see what I see, it is that simple, and if they cannot agree with it, then they should at least respect it...if they want respect in return.
Agreed.Also, I think how a person views the REASONS for these wars can make it difficult to find common ground on this subject. For instance, there are still some people who genuinely believe that America's war effort is noble and just.............then there of those of us who see it quite differently.
Love you Janet,
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