The flag before the Cross/or the Cross before the flag.

[Slug1]

Sadly, that is all going to change very soon.

Actually it's more of a world thing, all nations... not just the US will be affected by the change.

[pinky]

Actually it's more of a world thing, all nations... not just the US will be affected by the change.

I agree with that.

[Slug1]

I agree with that.

So can we stop harping on the US??? Complaining isn't helping us...

[redeemedbyhim]

Sadly, that is all going to change very soon.

Did you miss the word "today"?
I think I should have added the word yesterday too. Because for over 200 years that has been the case and it will remain the case until God says otherwise.

No, unfortunately it isn't.

It would be if all those who could, actually voted. It's appaling how many don't, including Christians.

And I'm not sure why you're so intent on being so negative about America and making comments like this when you are not a part of the, "we the people"?
Maybe I've missed something, if I have, I'm sorry.

[pinky]

So can we stop harping on the US???

Can the US stop waging illegal wars that are leading us all toward the beast kingdom?

Complaining isn't helping us...

Apparently......... living in denial is not helping either.

[Slug1]

Can the US stop waging illegal wars that are leading us all toward the beast kingdom?

Apparently......... living in denial is not helping either.

Ummmm, and prevent the will of God? Sure, lets get out of God's will and put off the end times as long as possible and delay Jesus

I really don't think God will allow that and if we don't stay on the offense then He'll allow another attack to kill a bunch of Americans to get us right back in His will and back in the fight. He did it twice and we keep forgetting, or there's some out there that want us to forget and get out of the will of God.

[pinky]

Did you miss the word "today"?
I think I should have added the word yesterday too. Because for over 200 years that has been the case and it will remain the case until God says otherwise.

Pro 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

[quiet dove]

Hmmm, Pride and a haughty spirit, just the thing to take you into war, risking your life to help a kid get an education, or help people not live under the reign of a tyrant government.

Shame on you Slug! What could you possibly have been thinking. Fighting and dieing for strangers, and not strangers just in your own country. Hmmm, maybe thats where we are making our mistake

Prideful, haughty.... Should stay at home and only worry about ourselves, ....bad Americans!

I wonder if pride and haughty includes sending checks every month like so many other bad Americans do to help feed the hungry. Wouldn't want to interfere.

[Slug1]

Hmmm, Pride and a haughty spirit, just the thing to take you into war, risking your life to help a kid get an education, or help people not live under the reign of a tyrant government.

Shame on you Slug! What could you possibly have been thinking. Fighting and dieing for strangers, and not strangers just in your own country. Hmmm, maybe thats where we are making our mistake

Prideful, haughty.... Should stay at home and only worry about ourselves, ....bad Americans!

I wonder if pride and haughty includes sending checks every month like so many other bad Americans do to help feed the hungry. Wouldn't want to interfere.

Or we can do nothing and let satan roll over us and prevent the endtimes cause there would be nothing for Jesus to come back to. Let's let the muslims take over the world and all will worship their god and then... there wouldn't be a need for the beast to setup, he'd already have won

First attempt by satan was to just wipe out all the Jews and God slapped us into obedience and we prevented satan's plan.

Second attempt by satan is to just take over the whole world with the muslim faith and once again, we had to get slapped by God to get into the fight and prevent it... in this case it's on going.

Third attempt will be with the beast and Jesus will handle this one Himself. Three strikes he's out!!!

In the mean time He uses the Minister's of God to do His work and avenge against this evil.

No, I'll fight, we'll fight and be obedient to God

[quiet dove]

Or we can do nothing and let satan roll over us and prevent the endtimes cause there would be nothing for Jesus to come back to. Let's let the muslims take over the world and all will worship their god and then... there wouldn't be a need for the beast to setup, he'd already have won

First attempt by satan was to just wipe out all the Jews and God slapped us into obedience and we prevented satan's plan.

Second attempt by satan is to just take over the whole world with the muslim faith and once again, we had to get slapped by God to get into the fight and prevent it... in this case it's on going.

Third attempt will be with the beast and Jesus will handle this one Himself. Three strikes he's out!!!

In the mean time He uses the Minister's of God to do His work and avenge against this evil.

No, I'll fight, we'll fight and be obedient to God

Yep I agree .

[theleast]

I have been one of the peace advocates as anybody who has read my posts knows.

Something had occured to me over the weekend however. (I had some time to think. lol)

I am not backing down off of my position, but I did want to point out one thing that maybe I missed before. There are many Christians who come from all walks of life, including soldiers and policemen.

Slug1 forgive me for using you as an example, but here is a man who I have no doubt in my mind has a good relationship with God and Christ. I wouldn't dare to think that I am any better off than him because he is a solider and I am not. He is doing what seems right by him, and how can I begin to guess what purpose God has for him? I am no judge.

Slug1 I am sorry if my words have ever offended you.

I will not say however that I think there is a better path than turning the other cheek and being as harmless as a dove for me, perhaps even for most.

What I am saying is let us not take the position that all who kill are bad people or not fulfilling a purpose for God. Let's let God figure that out.

I still think you guys are misinterpreting Romans 13 but that's a topic for another day.

[apothanein kerdos]

I have been one of the peace advocates as anybody who has read my posts knows.

Something had occured to me over the weekend however. (I had some time to think. lol)

I am not backing down off of my position, but I did want to point out one thing that maybe I missed before. There are many Christians who come from all walks of life, including soldiers and policemen.

Slug1 forgive me for using you as an example, but here is a man who I have no doubt in my mind has a good relationship with God and Christ. I wouldn't dare to think that I am any better off than him because he is a solider and I am not. He is doing what seems right by him, and how can I begin to guess what purpose God has for him? I am no judge.

Slug1 I am sorry if my words have ever offended you.

I will not say however that I think there is a better path than turning the other cheek and being as harmless as a dove for me, perhaps even for most.

What I am saying is let us not take the position that all who kill are bad people or not fulfilling a purpose for God. Let's let God figure that out.

I still think you guys are misinterpreting Romans 13 but that's a topic for another day.

I think that's a very acceptable position to hold...and shows humility to come back and say what you said.

[ServantofTruth]

Are we to let the Muslims just take over the world? What a question. Apparently God's Will can only be done through the American government and military! Because if they retreat within their boarders we're all doomed.

What does this say about the faith in God, of the people who believe this? That they believe in man's strength over God's?

So sad. Servant of Truth.

[apothanein kerdos]

Are we to let the Muslims just take over the world? What a question. Apparently God's Will can only be done through the American government and military! Because if they retreat within their boarders we're all doomed.

What does this say about the faith in God, of the people who believe this? That they believe in man's strength over God's?

So sad. Servant of Truth.

Who's to say God isn't using the US military to accomplish something in His Will? Who's to say He didn't use Nazi Germany and, in response, the Allies to accomplish something in His Will?

[ServantofTruth]

I know the majority are not always right. I know as Christians we are the minority.

But the wars in Afganistan and Iraq and how American has behaved have been shown be independant people to be unjust. The basis for the war in Iraq 'Weaons of Mass Destruction' was very soon shown to be lies.

But i admit that is unjust in the morals of this world and the LAWS of this world. Yes the West's leaders in a just world, would be on trial now for murder.

I assume here we are more concerned by Biblical standards, telling us what God wants. We will go round in circles.

I want to be like Jesus (God Incarnate), follow his example to me and his Word while flesh on this planet. I want to be like the 12 disciples and Paul. Who obeyed the Roman law and God's law, found the balance and never joined an army and looked to the kingdom of God. I want to be like the first christians.

If i pick up a gun, who's example am i following? Who was violent in Jesus' time? Yes the Jews who didn't recognise who Jesus was and the Roman authorities and soldiers who mocked and killed him.

We all have a choice. I'll follow Jesus, and the apostles/ disciples. Others can follow violence and the Roman army and the Jews who wanted to kill Jesus and Lazarus and anyone who threatened their hold on power and possessions in this life.

Look to the kingdom and store up treasures there. Trust our Lord to take care of this world and people he loves. I meet him in my weakness and use His strength. That is Submitting. Love Servant of Truth.