It's been a while since I have posted here. I left for personal reasons and to get my head clear. But I'm not here to post on a permanent bases. And I won't be debating on evolution issues here.
But while away I debated on several other places. Youtube, some other forums, etc... But the osas vs no-osas has always been an issue with me more than evolution because to me it's very important that we know what the truth is about this.
So one day while considering the judgment of the two thrones, several things just started coming together. And it's a doctrine I've come up with that I have never heard preached anywhere before. And it's all backable in God's word. And it denies 50% of the teaching of both doctrines of osas and no-osas. Already sounds weird LOL. I thought so to until I started testing it against the word of God. And every bit just fit like hand in glove. And it was also shocking to figure out what will happen.
I have presented this to other forums now. And people are shocked, they cannot find fault with it. So now I figure with all the knowledgeable people here, I would present it and give the glory to God if it passes the test here as well.
Side note: I used deductive reasoning to find this answer. Which makes me wonder if other answers can be found in the word using this same technique.
So here it is in a nut shell. I'll try to keep it simple. But in no way accept this doctrine unless you are sure that it goes along with the word. I'm not here to convert no one. It's a long read but well worth it as you will also see several questions get answered that I see often asked.
After the tribulation, and we are on the 1000 year reign. Can anyone tell me why Christ is going to reign with a rod?
rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
What this means is that our imperfections will be corrected. The rod is the representation of correction. Just like it says:
prov 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
And when we are saved, we are all sons and daughters of Christ. So the thousands years is for our benefit to correct our imperfections of our denominational teachings. Why? Are we perfect? Is your denomination perfect? Is your preacher perfect? No? Now I'm not saying that denominations are bad, they lay our foundations for our faith. But to move closer to God, there comes a day that within our denomination that we have to separate the wheat from the chaff. And this is where osas and no-osas has to be tested.
Our salvation is not based on being 100% right. It is based on whether we accepted His gift. And loved Him enough to do His kingdom works (conditions of the covenant).
Now I know some of you are thinking: Is he promoting works to get to heaven? Nope. I did say you have to accept His free gift did I not? But let's take this a little further.
A covenant is a promise made between two people. Each side has a promise to keep. Even though Christ can never break his promise, we often break ours by committing sin. It's our imperfections that make us do this. But it is His forgiveness that allows us to stay in the covenant.
But there are some things required of us that if we do not do them. We will suffer. What are they?
These things we are supposed to do are:Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
1) Give someone meat who is hungry for it (meat of the word).
2) Give someone drink when they are thirsty for it (milk of the word).
3) Take someone in when they are a stranger (a unsaved sinner is a stranger to the word and salvation).
Now the above is the trinity of the works (our conditions) that we are supposed to do for the kingdom. Now for the rest.
1) Naked (we are supposed to provide cloths for the poor).
2) Sick (we are supposed to take care of the sick).
3) In prison (We are supposed to visit those who are in prison).
These are the works (conditions) while we are on earth. Why do them? When we do them we are showing the love of Christ. And through that love we plant seeds, and can help others to know Christ.
So the separation of the sheep from the goats is because some Christians will not do the works of the kingdom, nor the works we are supposed to do on earth. These are the only things these people are being judged for. What does that mean?
All that stand before Christ entered into the covenant. Why? How can Christ condemn or welcome anyone who did not if this is the only thing these people were judged on?
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
You see, knowledge of sin makes sin a sin. So how can the unsaved sinner be condemned for a sin of not doing a covenant condition, he knew not of? So everyone at the throne of Christ is saved. Not one unsaved sinner. And if you think there is, name one verse that show specifically that anyone one person was: Pulled from Hell or any other unsaved place?
Besides, why would some people be pulled from hell for one judgement, then pulled from hell for the other judgement?
Note: There is no old or new testament hell. When you are in there, you are in there for a reason.
So there is only one judgement for those in hell. And that is the Great White Throne judgement.
But who are the goats, and what happens to them?
1) They are the ones who did not do the trinity of conditions of works for the kingdom.
2) They are the ones who did not do the trinity of conditions of works we are supposed to do here on earth that makes us shine like a light for Christ.
What happens to them?
Because there is what is called the works Judgement. Where the conditions (works) of the covenant are tested by fire, they have one more chance.
1cor 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Now you might think that this goes against scripture by making another way to heaven. it does not, and here is why:
Christ came to earth to make the covenant for sin upon earth. So His covenant is valid while we are on earth until we are judged. After judgement, the ones who receive punishment are no longer held to the covenant because they broke it. Understand so far? This is why they are being punished (corrected by fire).
Now if the ones who "works" are being burned, are being saved by fire. Where is the only place a person can burn? Is there a place in heaven with fire, or is that place in hell? So you see, for the goats hell becomes a place of correction. Why? Because they knew what they were supposed to do but refused to do it (knowledge of sin).
So how are they saved by fire?
rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The word "whosoever" in that verse leaves possibility. What this means is that some at the great white throne will go to heaven. God's word does not lie, right? So whosoever cannot be there unless there is a condition that allows "some" to enter heaven at this point.
So let's first understand that there are 3 types of people in hell (a trinity).
1) Those who knew about Christ, but rejected Him.
2) Those who never knew, and never heard.
3) The goats who were judged in the first judgement.
Out of the three, only one group is assured for hell. And that is those who had knowledge of Christ but rejected Christ. What is it that helps out the number two people who never knew Christ? Or even heard Christ?
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Not knowing Christ, is not knowing the conditions of sin. So not having the knowledge of sin makes them innocent. So therefore they have a chance at heaven in this judgement.
And what helps out the number three who are the goats? Being saved by fire.
Side note: The sheep will be corrected by the rod for a thousand years. The goats will be corrected by hell fire for a thousand years.
You see this also answers a question that has not been answerable until now.
Why did Christ preach in Hell when He went there? What did He preach? He preached the gospel. Now can Christ deceive or lie to someone? No. So if He was preaching a sermon of hope to the hopeless, He was lying. But, if He was preaching a sermon of hope so they knew there was hope. He was not lying. So now we know why Christ preached in hell. Because "whosoever" in hell name appears in the book of life shall go to heaven.
God being no respecter of persons makes Him a just Judge.
So what would you think of a Judge (God) who did not punish for sin or crime? Would not He also be as guilty as the one who committed the crime because not punishing for the crime would make Him an accessory after the fact, right? So if someone thinks that God allows everyone to be judged the same. And you yourself think that some how you will skate by and all will be okay. Then you are saying that God is not a just judge because allowing some to skate by makes Him a respecter of persons. And any judge that becomes a respecter of "any" type person (saved or unsaved) is one that will also turn a blind eye to crime or sin regardless of what it is.
acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
So those of you who think salvation is a ticket to sin. Or that regardless of what you do you can never lose your salvation. You make God into a Judge that respects people which in turn makes Him unjust.
For God to be just:
Every person has to be treated equally (no respecter of persons). Saved or unsaved. Anything less is unjust. Punishment for sin has to be the same (saved or unsaved). And having knowledge of sin making it a sin makes it just for all (saved or unsaved).
Knowledge of sin equals judgement:
1)For the sinner, it makes to where you have to have had a chance to know Christ before being punished for rejecting. Which means all that have not known, have no chance to know, etc... Still have one chance, after passing through the fire, to end up in heaven.
2) For the saved, The new in Christ would not know about all the conditions of the covenant. So not having the knowledge of the conditions yet, would make them innocent of the sin of not doing them.
Yet the ones who did but decided not to do them. Would receive punishment but would have one more chance.
All of this would make God just on every issue. No one goes to hell who did not deserve to be there. No one goes to heaven who did not deserve to be there.
Punishment vs eternal damnation:
When those who are pulled up from hell that do not have their name show up in the book of life. They are the ones who were given the chance, or had the knowledge but rejected. So their punishment turn into eternal damnation as they are cast into the lake of fire because they were full of evil and when given the choice choose evil instead of good. What proves this even more is this verse.
mk 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
Eternal Damnation is used when there is no chance of forgiveness. In danger means there is also a condition to this actually happening. What is that condition? The person first has to know what the sin is before it becomes a sin.
mt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Punishment is not punishment if it last forever. You punish to correct. Everlasting here is used for a place (hell) where time has no meaning (everlasting). Hell itself is not eternal because people will be pulled out of it for judgement. And hell itself shall be destroyed as it is thrown into the Lake of Fire.