Can a Christian go to hell?

[Mograce2U]

Do you mean here:

http://bibleforums.org/showgroups.php

Its at the bottom of the list under ministers

Well I'll be - haven't ever seen that before. So how come we don't get to know you-all by your Christian names? Just curious. It helps to know if someone is at least male or female.

[humbled]

Have you ever actually read this in context? According to your reasoning, the only one lost in all of the world would be the son of perdition. Jesus only indentified the son of perdition as being lost. The point is, those spoken of in John 17, these were certain ones that had certain purposes, and this wasn't referring to all who would be saved in general. The context shows that the ones Jesus was referring to are literally ones that lived during that specific time, in other words his disciples, etc. These are the ones that the Father gave unto the Son. These are the ones that were kept by Jesus, losing none but the son of perdition in order that the scriptures might be fullfilled.

I see your point.

I'll take what you said into consideration.

I do, however, believe that the concept that Christ has been given a specific group of people (other than the apostles) is found in places other than John 17. And that the idea that Christ will lose none OF THESE is also found elsewhere.

And that was my ultimate point.

[Ron Brown]

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.


If one's name can't ever be erased out of the book of life, why do we even have this warning? Is the above just an idle threat that is pretty much meaningless? What's the purpose of making mention of something that can't possibly occur?

Christ never said he will blot out anybodies name., just that he will not blot out anybodies name. Read it again

And "overcometh" in the Greek is "nikao" which means-to conquer or be victorious. There is no such a thing as an un-victorious born from above Saint. We are all victorious through Christ alone, not our own works.

[Sam07]

Hey

There are 3 types of saved

1, We needed to get saved
2, We got saved
3, We are yet to be saved because the possibility exist that we could still backslide.

Is it possible a Christain could go to hell if he makes a mistake secs b4 he dies.

If we are following Christ and make a mistake before we died, Gods grace is sufficient to forgive us, it is not Gods intention to deliberately wait for us to make mistakes so hes justifed in punishing us.

He wants us to live with him for eternity, if we are to willfully sin and not repent when prompted to by the Holy Spirit and were to die in our sins, then it will be up to the father to determine our fate.

We are asked to follow Jesus so we can develop in our personal relationships, be transformed and bear fruit, it is a challange as Christians we all face.

Sometimes we flow and sometimes we struggle it is a process we all go through to help us over come our weaknesses as we become new creatures in Christ Jesus.

Peace

Sam

[Friend of I AM]

Titus 3:5 - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

our salvation is never, and will never be based on any "works of righteousness" we could ever do.

Our salvation has been signed, sealed and delivered by the work of Christ on the cross.

Are we going to recieve the gift? Or reject it.

if we reject it. Christ said he will never leave us or forsake us.

he also says. even when we are faithless, which causes us to fall. He is faithfull. for he can not deny himself.

2 Ti 2:13

If we are unfaithful, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny who he is.

Umm..I'm going to have to disagree with you Bryan on the reject part...if we deny him, he'll deny us. Aside from that I think you're right on the money. I do think that the whole rejection part is something that has to be discerned by God.

[ikester7579]

Kinda stupid question but is it possible for a christian to go to hell?What if a christian accidently sins then died seconds later will he/she go to Hell?

God is long suffering. God does not suffer for anything else but sin. And if a Christian man went to hell because he or she commits one sin, then why would God suffer? He suffers us and our sin because He loves us. And when ever we do sin, he forgives us when we ask.

Losing salvation is a process that is not done with one act. Unless the sin is the unforgivable sin. But even here the person not only has to commit it. But truly mean it and have the knowledge of what it means to actually commit the sin.

[Partaker of Christ]

I think the author of hebrews talks with this exact notion. and would agree with you.

Heb 6 : 4 - 5: It is impossible for those who were
1. What is impossible, and who is the were? The what we come to later

the who are...

Once enlightened, and have tasted the heavanly gift, and have become partakers of the holy spirit, and have tasted the good word of god and the powers of the age to come

if you have partaken with the holy spirit and tasted the heavenly gift (Salvation) and tasted the good works of God, You are saved, because only those who have tasted these things are those who have accepted christ and been saved.

now we come to the what...

If they fall away,

falling away means a person has fallen from one state to another,, in other words, they have fallen from grace and lost their salvation.

So the statement is.. if ( if this could happen) if we could lose salvation or fall from grace.
now we come to what the impossible is

to renew them to repentance

(the author is saying. if a person is saved, and has fallen away ( if they could ) it would be impossinble to renew them to repentance or resave them, they would be lost forever.)

Why?

because they crucify again for themselves the son of God and put him to open shame

they say there was a sin God did not die for.. so in order for them to be resaved God would have to return to earth, and die again for that sin.

It simply means that once the foundation has been laid, it cannot be laid again. We can go back to the foundation, and start to build again, but we cannot relay it.

Christ died once for all sin, He is not a daily offering (as OT) for that would bring Him to shame.

Do you believe that Christ died for ALL your sins, past, present and future?