Homosexuality & Scripture

[deafwriter]

I know a few people who live homosexual lives and still claim to be Christian. Can anyone give me scripture to defeat or encourage this mindset? What are they thinking? Will God allow homosexuals in heaven?

[2 Peter 2:20]

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New International Version)

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

[divaD]

I know a few people who live homosexual lives and still claim to be Christian. Can anyone give me scripture to defeat or encourage this mindset? What are they thinking? Will God allow homosexuals in heaven?

This question seems to make it's rounds in here. Lev 18 defines homosexuality for us. It is an abomination. Will God allow homosexuals in heaven? Of couse not, unless they have repented of it and stopped committing the act. But if that were to happen, they would no longer be homosexuals. It's pretty clear to me that your questions are in regards to practising homosexuals.


Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled)
28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
29*For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.


Verse 22 tells us that it's an abomination. But I also threw these other verses in here in order to make a point. Take notice of verse 23. If a Christian admitted to practicing the acts recorded in verse 23, would you even think that person was a Christian? Would you even think that God would let this person into heaven? If you are honest with yourself, you would know the answer to both of these questions would be no. So why would God let someone that commits the acts of Lev 18:22 into heaven, but not one who commits the acts of Lev 18:23 into heaven? They are both abominations are they not?

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the ABOMINABLE, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh ABOMINATION, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

[Nyoka]

I don't know if they are Christian or not as I can't see their hearts as God can. I do know what God thinks about the act of homosexuality though: Rom 1:26 For this cause, God gave them up to dishonorable affections. For even their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature.
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another; males with males working out shamefulness, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error.

I hope this helps. God bless

[Equipped_4_Love]

What are they thinking?

They are in denial.
The Scriptures clearly state that homosexuality is an abomination, and that the people who practice it will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

I think it is an absolute tragedy that these people are so willing to fool themselves, and willingly blind themselves to the truth, so that they won't have to put away their sin...just so they can indulge in the desires of the flesh. They will ignore their conscience on this point so that they won't feel condemned.

Rom. 1:26-28 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise, also the men, leaving the natural use of the women, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting

What these people need is for God-fearing men and women to reach out to them in love, letting them know that God loves them, but that He will not tolerate their sin, and that they are condemned.

So many Christians are quick to condemn them for their actions, but seemingly neglect the fact that God loves these people, and suffered the same agonizing death for their sin as He did for ours. I honestly believe that this is one of the areas where Christians need to improve their witnessing technique. It can be particularly hard to witness to them, just because so many Christians have such a personal abasement for homosexuality.

Many homosexuals will argue that the urges they feel are completely natural, and thus, not their choice, but is just part of their nature. They are only half-correct, in that it is part of their nature....their sin nature. Even so, homosexual activity is a choice, just as committing sin is a choice for any person.

Christianity is a commitment to live by the law of God; in that respect, one can logically deduce that those who engage in homosexuality are not Christians, despite how they will try to justify it.

[OldChurchGuy]

This question seems to make it's rounds in here. Lev 18 defines homosexuality for us. It is an abomination. Will God allow homosexuals in heaven? Of couse not, unless they have repented of it and stopped committing the act. But if that were to happen, they would no longer be homosexuals. It's pretty clear to me that your questions are in regards to practising homosexuals.


Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled)
28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
29*For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.


Verse 22 tells us that it's an abomination. But I also threw these other verses in here in order to make a point. Take notice of verse 23. If a Christian admitted to practicing the acts recorded in verse 23, would you even think that person was a Christian? Would you even think that God would let this person into heaven? If you are honest with yourself, you would know the answer to both of these questions would be no. So why would God let someone that commits the acts of Lev 18:22 into heaven, but not one who commits the acts of Lev 18:23 into heaven? They are both abominations are they not?

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the ABOMINABLE, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh ABOMINATION, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

This question is directed to everyone responding to this post:

Is it correct to conclude it is impossible that a persons sexual orientation could be genetic rather than environment?

Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy

[Equipped_4_Love]

This question is directed to everyone responding to this post:

Is it correct to conclude it is impossible that a persons sexual orientation could be genetic rather than environment?

Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy

I know I am in the minority here, but I do believe firmly that there are some people who are born with homosexual tendencies. I've heard stories from many homosexuals saying that they felt attracted to the same sex from a very early age, so I do believe that there is a chance that homosexuality is genetic.....even so, that does not make it any less an abomination, or a sin.

When Adam sinned, humanity was cursed. The effects of sin entered into every aspect of humanity, and I see no reason to doubt that homosexuality has a biological aspect; after all, we are all biologically destined to die, whereas before the Fall, there was no death....our physical tendencies were definitely affected.

That being said, I also believe that God gave man the capacity to know that it is wrong....and why.

If a person is born with homosexual tendencies, God is perfectly able to help a person overcome those tendencies....and for those who do, I believe a special victor's crown will await them in glory.

[livingwaters]

Oldchurchguy, if God didn't know what HE was doing with us before we were in our mother's womb, then I guess the Bible is fiction. I mean, after all, the Word says, HE knows all things, HE knew us before we were in our mother's womb. I seriously doubt, that since HIS thoughts towards us are all good, that HE would have messed up innocent children with mixed gender genes. Amen.

Those that claim it is genetic, are calling God a liar!!! God does not create abominations, satan, through people does!!!

God Bless~~~~

[Equipped_4_Love]

Oldchurchguy, if God didn't know what HE was doing with us before we were in our mother's womb, then I guess the Bible is fiction. I mean, after all, the Word says, HE knows all things, HE knew us before we were in our mother's womb. I seriously doubt, that since HIS thoughts towards us are all good, that HE would have messed up innocent children with mixed gender genes. Amen.

Those that claim it is genetic, are calling God a liar!!! God does not create abominations, satan, through people does!!!

God Bless~~~~

So, then, do you believe that the Christian struggling with homosexuality chooses to struggle?

Yes, God knew us before we were formed in the womb, and He was the one who fashioned us in the womb; even so, this does not mean that people cannot be born flawed.

The truth is, because of Adam's sin, creation is flawed on every level. Birth defects and mental retardation exist because of the Fall.
If you don't believe there is some sort of biological aspect there, then what do you feel contributes to these unnatural drives and tendencies?

[scourge39]

The distinction is between Christians who genuinely struggle with homosexual desires and don't act upon them and those who simply say, 'That's how I am,' and indulge their urges. The latter group is living in sin, while the former is acknowledging a genuine temptation, but not yielding to it.

[Athanasius]

You have to be extremely careful to differentiate between the disposition and the act. Homosexual acts are an abomination, having the disposition - as long as it isn't acted upon - isn't.

[Slug1]

Romans 1:26-32

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

I underlined portions of this quoted scripture. I'll let the Holy Spirit convict as God wills but IMO if a person is not convicted then they don't have the Holy Spirit and their claim of Christianity is to a god of their own design (one who accepts this sin) and not God who IS, who does not accept this sin, or any sin. Any Christian who believes in God and not "a god - just an Idol" will be convicted of this sin and allow God to heal then and deliver them of this sin. Just as a Christian allows any sin to be delivered of by God as they are obedient to God's will and what He's says is sin or not sin.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[a] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[b] unmerciful;

This is what happens to those who worship their god and not God who IS.

32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

This is the result of not worshiping God who IS and continuing to worship their god who isn't.

To me this scripture even points out what will happen to Christians who accept this sin as "not" a sin even if they are not bound by it. Just to be friends with a person who is homosexual and not to witness to them constantly... then what kind of friend are you (general statement, not directed "at" you). To me it would be the same as handing the car keys to a friend who is drunk.

"Deserving of Death"... IMO will be judged by God who IS and then tossed in the fire with all other sinners and didn't repent. SO NO, we will not see these people in heaven for eternity.

[Equipped_4_Love]

Romans 1:26-32

I underlined portions of this quoted scripture. I'll let the Holy Spirit convict as God wills but IMO if a person is not convicted then they don't have the Holy Spirit and their claim of Christianity is to a god of their own design (one who accepts this sin) and not God who IS, who does not accept this sin, or any sin. Any Christian who believes in God and not "a god - just an Idol" will be convicted of this sin and allow God to heal then and deliver them of this sin. Just as a Christian allows any sin to be delivered of by God as they are obedient to God's will and what He's says is sin or not sin.


This is what happens to those who worship their god and not God who IS.

This is the result of not worshiping God who IS and continuing to worship their god who isn't.

To me this scripture even points out what will happen to Christians who accept this sin as "not" a sin even if they are not bound by it. Just to be friends with a person who is homosexual and not to witness to them constantly... then what kind of friend are you (general statement, not directed "at" you). To me it would be the same as handing the car keys to a friend who is drunk.

"Deserving of Death"... IMO will be judged by God who IS and then tossed in the fire with all other sinners and didn't repent. SO NO, we will not see these people in heaven for eternity.

AMEN to all of this. You speak the truth!!!!

[Invincibleep]

Hi everyone, great discussion. I'm new here and would like to give my input. First let me say, that ofcourse, I agree with Scripture as put forth by the members of the board. However, one of my dearest friends from my youth up was a homosexual male with very effeminate traits. In fact, later in life he, who considered himself, 'transexual' I think it is, i.e. a woman trapped in a effeminate male's body would go and get the operation.
Now, as a believer of course, I loved and love him as a friend. We were all reared in the church, his family is loving, God/Revering, middle class hardworking. He was reared with these values. In fact, we considered him just one of the girls. Now, during the course of our youth when we would talk about his 'struggle', he at one point came to the conclusion that he was just born an effeminate male. He really did think it out in light of what Scripture said. He even once told me that in high school, 'he did have a crush on a girl.' In so saying, he showed me that he could or should have went that route and it would have knocked out the other. That's theory talking ;there ofcourse. Speaking of which, I've always thought of the 'eunuch' factor and male homosexuality. I mean, maybe they were supposed to be 'eunuchs'. There is a Scripture that says, some men were born eunuchs, others were made eunuchs etc. Anyway food for thought as to how that relates to the 'effeminate homosexual male.'

Bottom line, we all know the danger of depravity and how it often times attaches itself to those of a homosexual nature. Satan's playground, if you will. We see many youth being attracted to that lifestyle simply because it is hurled all over the place. That is the danger of it all. Satan himself is a homosexual. He's reared false religions to be 'women-hating, repressed homosexuals. Just look at the middle easterns to see that's true.

Yet, Ggd is Love and that love extends to those struggling with and/or practicing homosexuality. Some of the sweetest, dearest people, such as my friend can't just be ostracized or they will never come to Christ. We all know homosexuals and their families so what should be the Christian's response? Just look on them as people. People who Christ loves and died for. Quit labelling their conduct and address their humanity. Show Christian love and charity to them while at the same time telling them. but not beating them over the head, with what the word says.

That's what I did, I just loved the sinner while hating the sin. I explained to him that 'all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.' My struggle wasn't homosexuality but Lord knows I have struggled with other things. As so, I had the wisdom to diminish the 'sin' as 'sin' and highlight our common humanity and Christ's love for us all.

So I guess what I am saying is, just treat people like 'people' and not like a sexual disorientation and the Love of God will shine through. Afterall, homosexuals are people too so let's treat them like that.

[2 Peter 2:20]

This question is directed to everyone responding to this post:

Is it correct to conclude it is impossible that a persons sexual orientation could be genetic rather than environment?

Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy

Sure it's genetic. Sin has been passed down to us all. If we all decend from Adam? The thing is we must not fulfill that lust of the flesh. We all have our thorn in the flesh.