Not Just Ten commandments!!!!!

[Philip dT]

Important for us as New Testament Christians is the New Testament perspective on the law.

1. "The law" in the gospels and most of Paul's treatises about "the law", the whole of the Torah is in mind, including all the commandments. The whole law has been fulfilled (pleroô) by and through Christ: that means accomplish, complete, end.

2. Nowhere in the New Testament, a distinction is made between the ten commandments and the rest of the law. "The law" always includes the ten commandments and all the other laws. All of them has ended in Christ for those who believe and walk through the Spirit.

3. The great commandment of love (God and my neighbour as myself) is the only law given in the New Testament, for it fulfills the underlying principles, morality and ethics underlying to all Old Testament laws, and much more. This is a principle and not a set of do's and don'ts. We live by this principle if we are led by the Spirit in freedom and not subject to the letter.

[Firstfruits]

Important for us as New Testament Christians is the New Testament perspective on the law.

1. "The law" in the gospels and most of Paul's treatises about "the law", the whole of the Torah is in mind, including all the commandments. The whole law has been fulfilled (pleroô) by and through Christ: that means accomplish, complete, end.

2. Nowhere in the New Testament, a distinction is made between the ten commandments and the rest of the law. "The law" always includes the ten commandments and all the other laws. All of them has ended in Christ for those who believe and walk through the Spirit.

3. The great commandment of love (God and my neighbour as myself) is the only law given in the New Testament, for it fulfills the underlying principles, morality and ethics underlying to all Old Testament laws, and much more. This is a principle and not a set of do's and don'ts. We live by this principle if we are led by the Spirit in freedom and not subject to the letter.

Thank you Philip dt,

That was very informative.

God bless you

Firstfruits

[Coptichristian]

There are so many "thou shalts" in the Old Testament. I am still genuninely confused as to which ones we ought to follow. For instance, there is a command to bake bread with human feces, if I recall. Sounds odd, but it is true!

[Firstfruits]

There are so many "thou shalts" in the Old Testament. I am still genuninely confused as to which ones we ought to follow. For instance, there is a command to bake bread with human feces, if I recall. Sounds odd, but it is true!

If you are under the Mosaic law then you are obliged to keep all that God has commanded.

32 Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
33 Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.

That is according to the Mosaic covenant.

Firstfruits

[Kahtar]

There are so many "thou shalts" in the Old Testament. I am still genuninely confused as to which ones we ought to follow. For instance, there is a command to bake bread with human feces, if I recall. Sounds odd, but it is true!

Actually, that was a specific command to a specific prophet to speak a specific message to the people.
It's actually quite easy to understand what we should follow. The Word says that the Holy Spirit writes the law upon our heart. Therefore, whatever the Holy Spirit has put in your heart to do, do that. Don't worry about the rest.

[Coptichristian]

Actually, that was a specific command to a specific prophet to speak a specific message to the people

Aren't the ten commandments specific commands to a specific prophet to speak a specific message to the people?

[Coptichristian]

If you are under the Mosaic law then you are obliged to keep all that God has commanded.

So do you not believe that we ought to follow all of God's commands?

[Firstfruits]

Actually, that was a specific command to a specific prophet to speak a specific message to the people.
It's actually quite easy to understand what we should follow. The Word says that the Holy Spirit writes the law upon our heart. Therefore, whatever the Holy Spirit has put in your heart to do, do that. Don't worry about the rest.

But is Jesus not that spirit?

2 Cor 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

2 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

So therefore we have Jesus in our heart, and do as he has commanded.

Firstfruits

[Kahtar]

Aren't the ten commandments specific commands to a specific prophet to speak a specific message to the people?

Good point. But the message that prophet was to give was NOT that they should cook bread with dung. Rather it was a prophetic act showing the people that because of their rebellion and idolatry, that is what was going to happen to them.
Firstfruits, yes, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One..........

[Firstfruits]

Aren't the ten commandments specific commands to a specific prophet to speak a specific message to the people?

The ten commandments are what God spoke directly to Israel, but because of fear they did not want to hear directly from God.

Deut 5:22 These words The LORD spake unto all your assembly in The mount out of The midst of The fire, of The cloud, and of The thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote Them in two tables of stone, and delivered Them unto me.
23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
24 And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath showed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
26 For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
27 Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.
28 And the LORD heard the voice of your words, when ye spake unto me; and the LORD said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
30 Go say to them, Get you into your tents again.
31 But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to

Firstfruits

[Firstfruits]

Good point. But the message that prophet was to give was NOT that they should cook bread with dung. Rather it was a prophetic act showing the people that because of their rebellion and idolatry, that is what was going to happen to them.
Firstfruits, yes, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One..........

So we therefore have the law of Christ in our heart as opposed to the law of Moses is that right?

Firstfruits

[keck553]

Messiah has authority over all of it. John says He is the living D'var (Word) throughout all ages, and throughout all time. Submit to Him and His commands throughout all ages and throughout all time. The aposltes say all the Word is Holy, not just the bits and pieces that make us feel good.

[graceforme]

Thank you Graceforme,

Do the following mean that if we are keeping the Mosaic law that we are not living according to grace?

Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Firstfruits

Yes, that's what they mean. If our salvation would be based on works, then it is no longer a free gift. Moreover, it is impossible for anyone to keep the law.

The verse in Romans 9 is referring to the failure of the nation of Israel. They had completely rejected God's program for them - they were His chosen people, a nation of high priests, through whom the Gentile nations could receive their blessings, but because they rejected the Messiah, and continued to trust in their works, they stumbled and fell. Paul was then raised up to bring the grace message, (this was the "mystery" never before revealed) to the Gentiles, and we are living in the dispensation of grace. I, for one, am very grateful to be able to live in the age where grace abounds.

God Bless.

[RoadWarrior]

There are so many "thou shalts" in the Old Testament. I am still genuninely confused as to which ones we ought to follow. For instance, there is a command to bake bread with human feces, if I recall. Sounds odd, but it is true!

I think you are mistaken. Go and find the scripture which speaks to that, you will see something very different from it being a command to the people.

[Coptichristian]

I think you are mistaken. Go and find the scripture which speaks to that, you will see something very different from it being a command to the people.

Thanks for the heads-up, but I still don't see how I'm misunderstanding this verse. Could you help me?