Not Just Ten commandments!!!!!

[Kahtar]

I see. So God told them that they had to eat human poop, but settled to let them eat cow poop in order to appease Ezekiel's complaining? I should have read the passage more attentively. Thanks.

Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

[Firstfruits]

Well, God's laws are eternal; they are not transient like man's.

Why then did God make a new covenant, which as he said is not the same as the one before?

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[Philip dT]

Yes, except that it is not a new commandment. It has been from the beginning.
2 John 1:5-6 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. (6) And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.

Deuteronomy 10:19 Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

That I am aware of. But it is not without reason that Jesus calls it "a new commandment" (John 13:34). This is also called "the law of Christ" (1 Cor 9:21; Gal 6:2). The reason for that is that Jesus laid down the New Testament principle of morality and ethics. The new declares the old to be "ready to vanish away" (Heb 8:13). The law of Christ is a principle, not a written set of laws. It therefore covers the underlying morality and ethics of all the Old Testament laws, and more. This is the only law we as New Testament Christians are given. We are free from the written law if we are led by the Spirit, who enables us to live by Christ's law (Gal 5:18).

[Firstfruits]

What is the difference between the law of Moses and the law of Christ?

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Phil 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

How do we fulfil the law of Christ?

How do we fulfil the law of Moses?

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[pastor_john]

God gathered Israel before him at Mount Sinai to speak to them and give them his commandments statues and judgments, however by the time God had spoken to them the tenth commandment the fear of the people was so strong that they no longer wanted to hear directly from God. Every other commandment was then given to Moses and given to Israel.

Deut 5:22 These words The LORD spake unto all your assembly in The mount out of The midst of The fire, of The cloud, and of The thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote Them in two tables of stone, and delivered Them unto me.
23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
24 And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath showed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
26 For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
27 Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.
28 And the LORD heard the voice of your words, when ye spake unto me; and the LORD said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
30 Go say to them, Get you into your tents again.
31 But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.
32 Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
33 Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.

When God therefore speaks of the law of Moses and obedience to it God is not Just referring to the first ten.

God bless.

Firstfruits

Certainly not just the ten commandments. Well, certain denomination would always just refer to the ten when they talk about the law. Now let's have a Biblical search.

What are the commandments and the law? The words spoken in the Holy Spirit are the law, the commandments, the statutes and decrees (Ne9:13-14). The law is the name of the LORD (Deut28:58), and the commandments are also the name of the LORD (Mal2:1-2). The law and the commandments are the LORD GOD (Mt22:35-40).

The words of the LORD spoken by the prophets were the law (2Ki17:13-14, Dan9:9-10). What Paul spoke was also the law (Ac24:14). So, the whole Bible is a book of the law. Therefore, to take the law for the ten commandemts does not agree with the Bible.
Blessings to all!

[Philip dT]

Certainly not just the ten commandments. Well, certain denomination would always just refer to the ten when they talk about the law. Now let's have a Biblical search.
What are the commandments and the law? The words spoken in the Holy Spirit are the law, the commandments, the statutes and decrees (Ne9:13-14). The law is the name of the LORD (Deut28:58), and the commandments are also the name of the LORD (Mal2:1-2). The law and the commandments are the LORD GOD (Mt22:35-40).

The words of the LORD spoken by the prophets were the law (2Ki17:13-14, Dan9:9-10). What Paul spoke was also the law (Ac24:14). So, the whole Bible is a book of the law. Therefore, to take the law for the ten commandemts does not agree with the Bible.
Blessings to all!

Yes, and also if one follows the context in which "nomos" is used in the gospels, it is often used in the construction "the law and the prophets", referring to the whole of the "torah" (five books of Moses), not just specific laws (e.g. Mat 5:17; 7:12; 11:13; 12:5; 22:36,40; 23:23; Luke 2:22-24,27,39; 10:26; 16:16,17; 24:44; John 1:17; 1:46; 7:19,23,49; 8:5; 12:34)

[Firstfruits]

Certainly not just the ten commandments. Well, certain denomination would always just refer to the ten when they talk about the law. Now let's have a Biblical search.

What are the commandments and the law? The words spoken in the Holy Spirit are the law, the commandments, the statutes and decrees (Ne9:13-14). The law is the name of the LORD (Deut28:58), and the commandments are also the name of the LORD (Mal2:1-2). The law and the commandments are the LORD GOD (Mt22:35-40).

The words of the LORD spoken by the prophets were the law (2Ki17:13-14, Dan9:9-10). What Paul spoke was also the law (Ac24:14). So, the whole Bible is a book of the law. Therefore, to take the law for the ten commandemts does not agree with the Bible.
Blessings to all!

Thanks Pastor John,

God bless you.

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[Firstfruits]

Yes, and also if one follows the context in which "nomos" is used in the gospels, it is often used in the construction "the law and the prophets", referring to the whole of the "torah" (five books of Moses), not just specific laws (e.g. Mat 5:17; 7:12; 11:13; 12:5; 22:36,40; 23:23; Luke 2:22-24,27,39; 10:26; 16:16,17; 24:44; John 1:17; 1:46; 7:19,23,49; 8:5; 12:34)

Thank you Philip dt,

Is the reason why some just teach or hold on to the first ten commandments because they are unaware of the full story as to what happened when God was Giving Israel his commandments?

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[Kahtar]

That I am aware of. But it is not without reason that Jesus calls it "a new commandment" (John 13:34). This is also called "the law of Christ" (1 Cor 9:21; Gal 6:2). The reason for that is that Jesus laid down the New Testament principle of morality and ethics. The new declares the old to be "ready to vanish away" (Heb 8:13). The law of Christ is a principle, not a written set of laws. It therefore covers the underlying morality and ethics of all the Old Testament laws, and more. This is the only law we as New Testament Christians are given. We are free from the written law if we are led by the Spirit, who enables us to live by Christ's law (Gal 5:18).

Can't argue with that.And so, in our daily lives, how does the law of Christ actually play out? Is it 'fulfilled' or 'acted out' simply within our hearts and minds, or does it require actually physically doing something?

[Marc B]

Seems like if you are led by Christ in your life you would want to keep the commandments as best you can. At any rate, like Jesus pointed out, let each person make up his/her own mind in matters of faith. He used clean and unclean foods as an analogy as well as observances of days so If you believe keeping the Sabbath makes you cursed under the law then for you it is a curse, if it is a blessing for you then by all means keep it because for you it is a blessing if I understand the meaning of the scripture correctly. In which case nobody is wrong or right here in matters of law in how they live their faith. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.

[keck553]

I would like to see red letter Scripture concerning this

[pastor_john]

Thanks Pastor John,

God bless you.

Firstfruits

The LORD bless you!

[Firstfruits]

I would like to see red letter Scripture concerning this

What is it that you want the scripture for?

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[Coptichristian]

Excuse me? You are not getting it. They are using the dung as fuel.

I don't see that being said in the passage. Where do you see that?

Cow crap doesn't make for good fuel, does it?

[Coptichristian]

Why then did God make a new covenant, which as he said is not the same as the one before?

The second convenant is the fulfillment of the first, not a violation of it. God's laws are immutable, for God is not a man that he should change.