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    Quote Originally Posted by moonglow View Post

    Every child that is actually born...has a purpose here. I don't believe anyone can stop God from making sure the ones that He wants here, will be here...regardless of any choices we make. After all, Mary was a virgin! If He wants someone here, they will be born regardless of what we do.
    While what you have said above may be true in some cases, it is not true in all cases.

    God has given responsibility to man. Unless one is willing to claim that every baby aborted was God's will and God didn't want them here...

    But then that would be silly at best.

    Man was given the responsibility to do right before God. Thus you have consequences that follow doing wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHL Fever View Post
    This bill does not propose sterilizing people based on their economic standing, it proposes 'sterilizing' people based on their choice to sterilize themselves.
    "Pay poor $1000 to have vasectomy or tubes tied."

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    Many people don't realize that its a myth that welfare recipients have lots and lots of kids. I think the average number of kids a welfare person is supporting is 1.2. That's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinky View Post
    The rate of unemployment and homelessness is rising and it is not because people are too lazy to work.

    It's because the economy is collapsing.
    I agree. Many people don't realize that a lot of homeless people DO work and have jobs....they just don't make enough money to put a roof over their head.

    So, its just a stereotype that homeless people "don't work".

    I read an article in People Magazine about a woman who has a full-time job making $8 an hour, and she is having to live out of her car right now. She is homeless. $8 an hour won't buy a place to live in California.

    I used to volunteer at a Food Bank run by our church. The people who worked at the Food Bank would always assume that those coming in for free food did not have jobs. They were always shocked to find out that these people DID have jobs, they just didn't make enough money to get by. They were often earning minimum wage, or were only able to get part time work. I did not like the assumptions that the Food Bank people made about these people being "lazy" - almost all of them worked!

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    I did not like the assumptions that the Food Bank people made about these people being "lazy" - almost all of them worked!
    According to this USA Today article, 20% of the homeless have jobs.

    I think the average number of kids a welfare person is supporting is 1.2. That's it.
    According to this article, it's more like 2.2 children.

    In fact, Berrick notes that only one child is found in the families of forty-two percent of recipients. Thirty percent of AFDC recipients have two children; sixteen percent have three children while four or more children are found in the remaining ten percent (Berrick, Pg.15) The U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census documents that in 1993 mothers who receive WIC had an average of 2.2 children
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    Quote Originally Posted by diffangle View Post
    According to this USA Today article, 20% of the homeless have jobs.


    According to this article, it's more like 2.2 children.

    no where near the 6 or more, great!
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    2.2 is still not a lot of kids. If that's the average, it means many welfare recipients have just one, two or three kids. That's a pretty reasonable-sized family.

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    I Pray for YOUR mercy and grace and love on those less fortunate than us!!!!

    I think we should pray for the welfare (health, education, living conditions, opressed hand of their governments, etc). Our God is the only one who should control life and death...Just because others do it, doesn't make it right. Prayer can change these things, if it be God's will. HE already wrote and warned us about the catastrophes that will go on before the last days.

    So, as me, I'll pray, and pray, and pray that God's will be done in these circumstances. And anytime I can help, with whatever(food, money, time, a ride to the store, clothes) means I have.

    Thank you Lord for your love, mercy and grace...I know that all of these people are your children, just as we are!!!!! YOUR Word says that you are no respecter of persons. All the glory to you, Father!!!!!
    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that HE gave HIS only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have eternal life.


    My testimony: http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthread.php?t=137007

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    I'm glad I don't have .2 of a child....so thankful for my whole 3 children.

    And also, those on wic are not necessarily on "welfare". I receive wic and it is a great help, but it is not something we are dependent on. My children are just able to eat a little better due to this program.
    Mommy to Brooke, Braden and Bristol

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