Biblical Teaching

[keck553]

When you do take off, you would therefore rely on what you have been taught, so it is in our best interest and maybe also the passengers that we remember what we have learnt and that it is up to date.

Firstfruits

Up to date? Perhaps you mean 'correct.'. False teaching can destroy a fruitful relationship with God. We can teach all sorts of things in all the ways God exhorts us to teach them, but the most important rule that applies to us humans, I think, is the ability to separate holy from unholy, clean from unclean. That seems to have been lost in today's evangelical replacement theological 1.5 hour per week diversion from the 'important things of the world' to the 'metaphysical' things of God. Remember with most Christians, it's mostly feeling and actions are 'works.'

[Firstfruits]

Up to date? Perhaps you mean 'correct.'. False teaching can destroy a fruitful relationship with God. We can teach all sorts of things in all the ways God exhorts us to teach them, but the most important rule that applies to us humans, I think, is the ability to separate holy from unholy, clean from unclean. That seems to have been lost in today's evangelical replacement theological 1.5 hour per week diversion from the 'important things of the world' to the 'metaphysical' things of God. Remember with most Christians, it's mostly feeling and actions are 'works.'

With regards to your analogy both would apply because as we learn more about flying a plane you may have to learn new systems that may not have been around when you first learnt how to fly, so as I said both up to date and correct would apply.

Firstfruits

[keck553]

With regards to your analogy both would apply because as we learn more about flying a plane you may have to learn new systems that may not have been around when you first learnt how to fly, so as I said both up to date and correct would apply.

Firstfruits

Are you saying God can't design the plane correctly the first time? Maybe He needs to teach us what the thing is before we step in.

[Firstfruits]

Are you saying God can't design the plane correctly the first time? Maybe He needs to teach us what the thing is before we step in.

I would say that the wright brothers invention has come a long way from their first flight.

Firstfruits

[keck553]

I would say that the wright brothers invention has come a long way from their first flight.

Firstfruits

Check out the 'Shabbat shalom' thread, we're discussing that the things of men are common and the things of God are Holy.

To compare the Wright Brothers to God is quite a stretch, don't you think?

I think the most refined 'airplane' was already there, we (as a human race) simply weren't ready for the whole of it. For example, we have to truely understand the seriousness of our crimes before we can accept the pardon, yes?

[Firstfruits]

Check out the 'Shabbat shalom' thread, we're discussing that the things of men are common and the things of God are Holy.

To compare the Wright Brothers to God is quite a stretch, don't you think?

I think the most refined 'airplane' was already there, we (as a human race) simply weren't ready for the whole of it. For example, we have to truely understand the seriousness of our crimes before we can accept the pardon, yes?

With regards to your analogy to which I was refering to regarding where they started and how planes are today. If we have learnt the rules of flying according to the instructor and we apply those rules can we therefore fly?

I will have a look at "Shabbat Shalom".

Thanks

Firstfruits

[keck553]

With regards to your analogy to which I was refering to regarding where they started and how planes are today. If we have learnt the rules of flying according to the instructor and we apply those rules can we therefore fly?

I will have a look at "Shabbat Shalom".

Thanks

Firstfruits

Not without an engine The engine is the Holy Spirit

[IBWatching]

...Interestingly, my 7 year old was 'acting up' in class last week. The teachers didn't knew exactly how to deal with him (he has high functioning Asbergers, so he's a little different than most kids). On the second day of bad behaviour, I sat him down and asked him if daddy had bad behaviour, and he said "no, you're good.". So I explained to him that I am not so good, but I have the power of God to help me control my behaviour. My 7 year old does know God by the way, he brings his 'red Bible' to school and sometimes sleeps with it. I told him God can give him the power to behave in school, just as He does with daddy. I saw this light come on in his eyes, and he said "oh, yeah, God can help me do this". So the rest of the week, he was a model student at school, and he's been walking around saying "I have the power." There were a few times he said he didn't feel like he had the power this weekend, but when that happened I asked him if he forgot to talk with God about it, and he said...oh..yeah, I need to ask God. He has a very special relationship with God. Sometimes he will say astounding things for a 7 year old. Yesterday, he saw a picture of my dad, and asked where he is. I told him my dad was with God. And he said "He's no longer in the ground, he is in heaven." I never taught him that. He just came up with it. He's got the childlike acceptance I wish I could have. In fact....

Psa 119:130 The unfolding of Your words gives light; It gives understanding to the simple.

This...just made my day.

Thank you for sharing.

[Firstfruits]

Not without an engine The engine is the Holy Spirit

Jn 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? (How do we fly a plane?)

Jn 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

If you have been obedient to the instructor and you have done your checks as you should, would you be applying what you have learnt by trying to fly a plane without an engine?

Firstfruits

[keck553]

Jn 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? (How do we fly a plane?)

Jn 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

If you have been obedient to the instructor and you have done your checks as you should, would you be applying what you have learnt by trying to fly a plane without an engine?

Firstfruits

At first glance, I thought this would be easy to answer. But now I have to unravel things.....well I can tell you that modern rabbinic Judaism is attempting to fly without an engine. Does that help?

[Firstfruits]

At first glance, I thought this would be easy to answer. But now I have to unravel things.....well I can tell you that modern rabbinic Judaism is attempting to fly without an engine. Does that help?

Are they not doing according to the following, since that is what they were told to do?

Jn 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Firstfruits

[keck553]

This...just made my day.

Thank you for sharing.

Praise God for all blessings.

[keck553]

Are they not doing according to the following, since that is what they were told to do?

Jn 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Firstfruits

I don't think I see your point...

[Firstfruits]

I don't think I see your point...

What did you mean when you said the following, so as not to get crossed wires?

At first glance, I thought this would be easy to answer. But now I have to unravel things.....well I can tell you that modern rabbinic Judaism is attempting to fly without an engine. Does that help?

Thank you.

Firstfruits

[keck553]

FF, there comes a point when our human reasoning fails. We can only carry this analogy until it puts God in a box, then it threatens to turn into false doctrine.

The is where it falls apart. The 'engine' is a free gift from God, coupled with atonement of our transgressions through Messiah, who offered Himself to take the punishment of our sins. Nothing we can do can come close to purchasing the gift His blood purchased for us. All we can do is repent and accept His pardon in humility and graditude.

The flight instructions show us how much we need an engine and allow us the discernment to correctly handle the controls. But they don't earn the engine..