Pray for Billy Graham!

[tt1106]

That's the problem with youtube. You can put up a 4 minute clip and it changes people's opinions of you.
I have been on television before and I was interviewed by 3 different News agencies. All three did different editing jobs and one intentionally edited me mid sentence to make my comments sound inflammatory.
Billy Graham has also raised Franklin Graham and Anne Graham Lots.
I think that is some pretty good fruit. Billy Graham is probably on television every other day. He has written 28 books and probably toured quite a bit to promote them. I bet there is probably an interview somewhere that someone can put together to make him look silly, stupid or any number of things.
Do you always have your game face on? Do you ever have a bad day? Have you ever said something you regretted? The difference here is Billy probably has a camera in his face all the time.
Can you not cut him some slack? He's been serving God for 60 years? I am not going to relegate him to eternal damnation based upon youtube.
I do agree that he needs plenty of prayer, though. I think we should remember the different circumstances that our Christian leaders are in though. Granted they are not immune from falling away, but I believe they are under alot more scrutiny than the normal person and are subject to much larger attacks.
Blessings all.

-Todd

[Lisadawn]

Billy Graham is in no way "falling away". As I said in an earlier post I grew up watching him. Since I live in a city that has very small Christian Churches the denominations had to associate with each other for us "as teens" to have any friends. I was involved in Youth for Christ and Campus Crusade for Christ.

Extremely conservative churches didn't want us to associate with each other.......Baptist, Evangelical Free, Bible Church, Christian Missionary Alliance.....

The Main Criticism that Billy Graham got when I was growing up was that he associated with the wrong people. Didn't Jesus get that same criticism?

Because Graham was a world evangelist and not just US he had to be greeted by perhaps a Anglican Bishop while holding meetings in England. He may have been greeted by a Catholic Mayor when in Chicago. When he was in Russia he was criticized for a high percentage of the audience being KGB..(do I have those initials right? LOL) Well guess what happened.....SHOCK.....THE KGB member got to hear the gospel? You think that is a bad thing?

I took a counselor training course put out by the BGEA and worked at one of the films to talk to inquirers. The biggest crictism we got was from extremely conservative to extremely liberal churches. The liberal ones thought Billy was too narrow.....the conservative ones thought that he erred in not telling people what church to join once they got saved.

Now let me ask you, don't you believe that the Holy Spirit is capable of leading them to a good church or out of a cult. Yes, we had followup, that is what I did, but the Holy Spirit is really the one who did the work.

We worry too much folks.

Lisa

[Fighting Instinct]

Guys (& Girls), why in the world are you denying this? I know it is hard to take, but it's true. He said it with his own mouth. Not some written quote off a website, or hearsay. It was plain as day speech from his mouth. Joel Osteen thinks the same thing. They are in the same boat. And for those of you saying they did a good editing job, there was no editing. There were 2 uninterrupted clips. He says, in so many words, that any other religion can have there own Jesus. That is TOTALLY against the Bible. After reading some of the other threads in this Off Topic section, like the one about favorite horror films, it doesn't surprise me that people here would agree with such blasphemy. And for the record, I don't think Billy is going to hell. Once you have accepted Christ as your Savior, there is no way to undo what God has done, but I am ashamed that he has let the world change him.

[tt1106]

Billy Graham is saying that people can be called to the truth without knowing the name of Jesus. He is not saying that people of other faiths or non-believers will be saved he is saying that they are being called out of their faiths and they will be saved by God.
I believe he is referring to people that follow God based upon a general revelation, who haven't heard of Jesus.
I agree his is getting mellow, which he admits and he also wants to preach Love which is the easier road, but I do not see anything wrong with what he said. It is more toned down with how he usually preaches, but I still think it is being misinterpreted. Joel is a different story.

[scourge39]

Please, don't insult Billy Graham by comparing him to Joel Osteen. The above post is spot on. YouTube is chock full of slander against Billy Graham, John Piper, the NIV Translators, etc. While there are many things posted there that are valid, many are not. Don't be party to the sin of slander against fellow Christians just because a few misguided zealots believe they're on a mission from god to uncover 'the truth.' What they're doing is unscriptural according to both Ephesians 4:31 and Colossians 3:8. Texe Marrs was making those same allegations against Graham 12 years ago when I worked in Christian retail. Videos like the one you mention simply demonstrate the lengths to which some Fundamentalists will go to smear Evangelicals. (Those terms are not interchangeable, either historically or theologically, I assure you.)

[Fighting Instinct]

If you would watch the video of him on Larry King Live, he says that he cannot say if some that is not a Christian is going to hell and he says that he can't say, and that it is up to God. Well, any true Christian knows that if you haven't accepted Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, then you are not going to heaven. Just face the facts. He is trying to bend to what the world wants him to say. It is not hard to figure out.

[dljc]

If you would watch the video of him on Larry King Live, he says that he cannot say if some that is not a Christian is going to hell and he says that he can't say, and that it is up to God. Well, any true Christian knows that if you haven't accepted Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, then you are not going to heaven. Just face the facts. He is trying to bend to what the world wants him to say. It is not hard to figure out.

Dude! You really need to listen to that interview again...and again and again if you have to. Billy Graham said "That's in God's hands he can't judge them" and telling someone they are going to hell is not his calling.

Let me explain it this way. These people Larry King is asking about may come to the Lord before the end of their life. Billy Graham is saying he doesn't know if they will, and that he can't judge them. If God has called a preacher to give such a strong warning, then they better do it. Billy Graham is saying God hasn't called him to do that.

The Robert Shueller (sp?) interview, the voice was not in sync with his mouth, it could easily have been dubbed.

[Fighting Instinct]

Dude! You really need to listen to that interview again...and again and again if you have to. Billy Graham said "That's in God's hands he can't judge them" and telling someone they are going to hell is not his calling.

Let me explain it this way. These people Larry King is asking about may come to the Lord before the end of their life. Billy Graham is saying he doesn't know if they will, and that he can't judge them. If God has called a preacher to give such a strong warning, then they better do it. Billy Graham is saying God hasn't called him to do that.

The Robert Shueller (sp?) interview, the voice was not in sync with his mouth, it could easily have been dubbed.

If you watch the Rober Shueller video, it is not in sync, but he says what the audio says. I have followed it to make sure.

As for the Larry King video, I have watched it, and I just watched it again. Larry says that other preachers say that you are going to hell if you don't accept Jesus and Billy says that he agrees to a certain extent. That is just the same as saying he doesn't agree at all. There is no middle ground with Jesus. It's all or nothing. I can't believe that you guys are getting suckered in to what the world is preaching, but as I said before, this place doesn't seem as Bible grounded as it may appear. Sad, but true.

[dljc]

If you watch the Rober Shueller video, it is not in sync, but he says what the audio says. I have followed it to make sure.

As for the Larry King video, I have watched it, and I just watched it again. Larry says that other preachers say that you are going to hell if you don't accept Jesus and Billy says that he agrees to a certain extent. That is just the same as saying he doesn't agree at all. There is no middle ground with Jesus. It's all or nothing. I can't believe that you guys are getting suckered in to what the world is preaching, but as I said before, this place doesn't seem as Bible grounded as it may appear. Sad, but true.

Wow, that's quite a judgment don't you think? Is that up to you to decide? You see Billy said in his comments "come out of" these other faiths. What does that mean? You yourself came out of the world didn't you? Jesus told us we'd know them by their fruit. I knew that Billy would be disgraced by men before it was over, but I just never expected it to be before he died.

[ilovemetal]

I can't believe that you guys are getting suckered in to what the world is preaching, but as I said before, this place doesn't seem as Bible grounded as it may appear. Sad, but true.

WE arn't getting suckered! everyone here agrees Jesus is the only way to God/heaven. the issue at hand is BG, and what he said....

wordup.

[dljc]

WE arn't getting suckered! everyone here agrees Jesus is the only way to God/heaven. the issue at hand is BG, and what he said....

wordup.

I would just like to add to this post. The OP of this thread appears to be making the same mistake many do. If we follow a man that is not the Son of Man the Son of God, we can end up drinking kool-aid that has a little extra something something in it, like they did at Jonestown. If BG has changed his position (and I don't believe he has), that is between him and God in the end. This is what Billy is saying too. Tearing Billy down serves no good purpose for the Kingdom of God. The bottom line is, Billy will be judged accordingly, and so will we.

Romans 14:10-12
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

That doesn't say every unbeliever, it says EVERY KNEE and EVERY TONGUE!