David's Throne

[DIZZY]

Is not David's throne an earthly throne?
The Bible tells us that the Lord will reign from David's throne.

Isaiah 9:6-8
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.


Davids throne is not an everlasting throne. Christs throne though is eternal. don't we have a physical throne being ruled on by the Lord and a spiritual throne. Once the earth is destroyed David's throne exists no more. But the Son of David will reign forever.

[Literalist-Luke]

Well, the chair he sat on won't exist, sure, it already doesn't exist today, but the office he held of King, which is what the "Throne" means, will never cease to exist, as Christ's Kingship will last forever.

I'm not sure what the issue is.

[Hawkins]

Well, the chair he sat on won't exist, sure, it already doesn't exist today, but the office he held of King, which is what the "Throne" means, will never cease to exist, as Christ's Kingship will last forever.

I'm not sure what the issue is.

I think that the "Throne" means the King of the Jews. So our Lord is on that "Throne" spiritually speaking as long as He's authorized to be the King of the Jews, disregarding the physical "Throne".

[BroRog]

I think that the "Throne" means the King of the Jews. So our Lord is on that "Throne" spiritually speaking as long as He's authorized to be the King of the Jews, disregarding the physical "Throne".

What do you mean "spiritually speaking"?

[Hawkins]

What do you mean "spiritually speaking"?

Basically and physically, the Jews don't seem to realize that Jesus is their Lord and King. That's why I said actually and spiritually He is their Lord and King.

[Kudo Shinichi]

Well, it's to link the LORD Jesus Christ who was born into Bethlehem and linage of King David...said most in Psalms and Isaiah prophecy to fulfilled his first mission is to redeem mankind from sin, death and hell. Then, 2nd coming the LORD Jesus Christ is to be a conquering Messiah...defeat all the rulers on the earth, who gone against the LORD and his Christ.http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...ontext=chapter

Well, the chair he sat on won't exist, sure, it already doesn't exist today, but the office he held of King, which is what the "Throne" means, will never cease to exist, as Christ's Kingship will last forever.

I'm not sure what the issue is.

[David Taylor]

Isaiah 9:6-8
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.


Davids throne is not an everlasting throne.

The context of the verse from Isaiah is speaking eternally and everlastingly.

Of course Jesus, (the fulfillment), not David (the pre-type) is the subject.

Luke re-quoted and paraphrased Isaiah when announcing the birth of Christ incarnate:

Luke 1:31 "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."

"Throne of David" is an analogy to "ultimate reign"....

Just like "cats and dogs" is an analogy to "ultimate rain"...

(didn't mean to make a pun, but it works well here)

"Throne of David" is also used in that same everlasting analogy in the O.T. at times; confirming Luke and Isaiah's useage of it.

I Kings 2:45 And king Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the LORD for ever.

We can easily see that the throne of David under Solomon wasn't estabilised forever....the intent of this passage was pointing to Christ, the everlasting King who reigns on the throne of David for ever.

[John146]

Is not David's throne an earthly throne?
The Bible tells us that the Lord will reign from David's throne.

Isaiah 9:6-8
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.


Davids throne is not an everlasting throne. Christs throne though is eternal. don't we have a physical throne being ruled on by the Lord and a spiritual throne. Once the earth is destroyed David's throne exists no more. But the Son of David will reign forever.

That passage is not referring to an earthly throne, but a heavenly one. That is a prophecy regarding Christ taking His place in power as King in heaven. This took place upon His resurrection and subsequent ascension to the right hand of the Father in heaven.

29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Jesus is the King of God's people just as David was in his day. That is what it means when it speaks of Jesus reigning on David's throne. Notice verse 30 above. It quotes from this prophecy:

Psalm 132
11The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
12If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore.

If this was referring to an earthly throne, then how could it be that all the children (descendants) who keep the covenant would sit upon the throne? That would have to be an awfully big throne if it was a literal earthly one.

In reference to that prophecy from Psalm 132:11, Peter says "He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ". So, Peter is saying the resurrection of Christwas directly related to the fulfillment of that prophecy. Certainly, Christ is now at the right hand of the Father exalted as King and reigning from the throne. Scripture clearly teaches this.

[My heart's Desire]

If this was referring to an earthly throne, then how could it be that all the children (descendants) who keep the covenant would sit upon the throne? That would have to be an awfully big throne if it was a literal earthly one.

A very weak example could be we have a President, (not a king) who lives and operates from the White House, (not a throne) but many operate from the White House with and under him. Maybe?

[John146]

A very weak example could be we have a President, (not a king) who lives and operates from the White House, (not a throne) but many operate from the White House with and under him. Maybe?

Where does Jesus operate from? He is on the throne at the right hand of the Father...where?

[My heart's Desire]

Where does Jesus operate from? He is on the throne at the right hand of the Father...where?

Right now He is at the Father's right hand but one day He will reign on earth. For awhile anyway. Somewhere along the way the whole kingdom will then be delivered to the Father so that God will be all in all.

[John146]

Right now He is at the Father's right hand but one day He will reign on earth. For awhile anyway. Somewhere along the way the whole kingdom will then be delivered to the Father so that God will be all in all.

It seems to me that He will deliver the kingdom to the Father when He comes at the end of the age.

1 Cor 15
22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Matthew 13
40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

[My heart's Desire]

It seems to me that He will deliver the kingdom to the Father when He comes at the end of the age.


24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

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Yes, He will do just that AFTER all is accomplished and the end is the end.

[David Taylor]

Right now He is at the Father's right hand but one day He will reign on earth.

How do you interepret these verses, since you don't seem to believe the Lord reigns over the earth:

Psalms 47:2
"For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth. "

Psalms 47:7
"For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding. God reigneth over the heathen"

Psalms 83:18
"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. "

Psalms 146:10
"The LORD shall reign for ever, even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations."

[My heart's Desire]

How do you interepret these verses, since you don't seem to believe the Lord reigns over the earth:

Psalms 47:2
"For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth. "

Psalms 47:7
"For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding. God reigneth over the heathen"

Psalms 83:18
"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. "

Psalms 146:10
"The LORD shall reign for ever, even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations."

Well, David as you probably know by now, I believe that the Lord Jesus will reign on earth as King during the 1000 yr period after He returns.