Once saved always saved : Amen Praise the Lord

[Thaddaeus]

As on many Bible topics, I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, But God has showed me an angle on the once saved always saved issue, that I would like to share with all who will read this thread. To start with, let me say that there are many verses on the left side ( the side that says we can lose our salvation ) that I struggle with. But there are many verses on the right side ( or what I think is the right side, where I can't do anything to lose my salvation,Where I didn't do anything to earn my salvation, Not my works, But Jesus did the work for me, so to say that I can lose my salvation is to say that His works was not good enough for me, !!) that the other side can't answer either. Now here is the angle, I have heard from the left side many many times, that once we have called upon the Name of the Lord ( the key here is if we call upon the name of the Lord, we must then make Him Lord ) but even if we are saved and right before we are called home either way by the grave or the rapture, if we sin just before we are called home we can lose our salvation. IF this is true then would someone please explain the verses

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Now here is the question if we lose our salvation with every little sin, where does Chastisement come in, for if God kicks us out of the Family with every little sin, then there is no need for Him to reprove, rebuke and then chasten us, for we are not sons/daughters but bastards and we have no Father, and we only become sons of God through faith in our adoption by Jesus Christ our big Brother. Please do not over load this thread with all the verses you have, where you believe we can lose our salvation just please keep the thoughts you share to the answering to my one question. if we can lose our salvation by sinning after we come to His knowledge then where does the doctrine of chastisement come in???

Here I go I am saved, but I look at a woman with lust on my mind, that small little voice speaks up and says you know you really shouldn't think like that(reprove). But I keep looking then that voice becomes alot more stern I TOLD YOU YOU REALLY SHOULDN"T BE THINKING LIKE THAT!(rebuke) but this is really a good looking woman Lord, and You really did bless her. Bam here comes out the whip(chastisement), But by the whip I know that I am still one of His because whom He chastens He also loves For the Father chastens His children not the Lost.

Or here I go I look at a woman with lust on my mind, Bam I burn!! For the Father lied when He said those He chastens He also loves.

Now I don't mean to be so blunt here, but I know no other way to express this, it all comes down to our faith and where is, or whom is our faith in.

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Jesus is my Author and He is my Finisher of my faith, I didn't write my plan of salvation and I can't keep it. Thats why My faith needs to be In Jesus not in me.

Heb 11:6Butwithout faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Yes There is a calling for His Children to Live right, so if the righteousness has to exceed the righteousness of scribes and Pharisees , How will any ever enter into heaven? I plea the BLOOD, not my works

[godsgirl]

I don't think those that know OSAS for the lie it is would even come close to saying that "we lose our salvation with every little sin".

[looking4jesus]

I don't think those that know OSAS for the lie it is would even come close to saying that "we lose our salvation with every little sin".

Any sin no matter how little is more than enough to keep you out of heaven abd doomed to hell. That is why Jesus came .Salvation is never by works it cannot be so. If you can loose it you never had it to begin with. Jesu dies once and for all for our sins not again and again. Your are born again once and forever. Now you can make a big messed out of your life and God can even take you out of the world and cut your life short but you will stil be saved. The Holy Spirit stays inside you always you can deny him but he will never deny you.

Satans lie is to accused the saved that be careful lest you loose your salvation. this makes a mock of God and brings down what Jesus did on the croos to a effect not of Grace but by works of msn.
God Bless

[Butch5]

Any sin no matter how little is more than enough to keep you out of heaven abd doomed to hell. That is why Jesus came .Salvation is never by works it cannot be so. If you can loose it you never had it to begin with. Jesu dies once and for all for our sins not again and again. Your are born again once and forever. Now you can make a big messed out of your life and God can even take you out of the world and cut your life short but you will stil be saved. The Holy Spirit stays inside you always you can deny him but he will never deny you.

Satans lie is to accused the saved that be careful lest you loose your salvation. this makes a mock of God and brings down what Jesus did on the croos to a effect not of Grace but by works of msn.
God Bless

Looking4Jesus---If you can loose it you never had it to begin with.

This is a contradiction.

You cannot lose what you never had. If you lost it, then you must have had it.

[RogerW]

This is a contradiction.

You cannot lose what you never had. If you lost it, then you must have had it.

Isn't that the whole point Butch? Obviously they never had it, so obviously they did not lose what they did not have. In other words to have salvation, means you cannot lose it, and if you did think it was lost, then you never had it in the first place.

Blessings,
RW

[Butch5]

Isn't that the whole point Butch? Obviously they never had it, so obviously they did not lose what they did not have. In other words to have salvation, means you cannot lose it, and if you did think it was lost, then you never had it in the first place.

Blessings,
RW

Sorry Roger, but this is not true. The statement was if you lost it you never had it. If you lost it then you MUST have had it. You cannot lose what you do not have. I cannot lose a dollar if I don't have a dollar. In order for me to lose a dollar I must possess a dollar. So the statement is a contradiction. If a person loses salvation then they MUST have had salvation.

[RogerW]

Sorry Roger, but this is not true. The statement was if you lost it you never had it. If you lost it then you MUST have had it. You cannot lose what you do not have. I cannot lose a dollar if I don't have a dollar. In order for me to lose a dollar I must possess a dollar. So the statement is a contradiction. If a person loses salvation then they MUST have had salvation.

That's the point of the statement!!! They never had it, so how could they lose it??? Like you said, you can't lose what you don't possess!

Let's look more closely at your analogy of a dollar. To lose the dollar you must possess it...correct, how can you lose it if you don't possess it? Answer...you can't! That's the point of the statement. It says you cannot lose what you did not possess, so if you think you were saved and then lost your salvation it must be that you never possessed salvation in the first place! Why? Because salvation is eternally secure!

Blessings,
RW

[Butch5]

That's the point of the statement!!! They never had it, so how could they lose it??? Like you said, you can't lose what you don't possess!

Let's look more closely at your analogy of a dollar. To lose the dollar you must possess it...correct, how can you lose it if you don't possess it? Answer...you can't! That's the point of the statement. It says you cannot lose what you did not possess, so if you think you were saved and then lost your salvation it must be that you never possessed salvation in the first place! Why? Because salvation is eternally secure!

Blessings,
RW

Salvation is not eternally secure, that is why you do not understand what I am saying, here is the original quote,

If you can loose it you never had it to begin with.

He said if you can loose it you never had, this is a contradiction. If you can lose it you "MUST" have had it.

[sheina maidle]

Salvation is a gift of God and God's gifts are irrevocable. Romans 12 something...

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. (Romans 11:29)

Strong's Greek Dictionary
278. ametameletos

ametameletos am-et-am-el'-ay-tos
from 1 (as a negative particle) and a presumed derivative of 3338; irrevocable:--without repentance, not to be repented of.

[WritingRose]

Any sin no matter how little is more than enough to keep you out of heaven abd doomed to hell. That is why Jesus came .Salvation is never by works it cannot be so. If you can loose it you never had it to begin with. Jesu dies once and for all for our sins not again and again. Your are born again once and forever. Now you can make a big messed out of your life and God can even take you out of the world and cut your life short but you will stil be saved. The Holy Spirit stays inside you always you can deny him but he will never deny you.

Satans lie is to accused the saved that be careful lest you loose your salvation. this makes a mock of God and brings down what Jesus did on the croos to a effect not of Grace but by works of msn.
God Bless

I agree with everything you've said here, except that I don't believe a saved person would deny the Holy Spirit, or the Father or the Son. I truly don't believe that they would truly deny them in their heart. Maybe once, out of panic like Peter did. But not truly, truly deny the Lord.

~Rose

[Vhayes]

I don't think those that know OSAS for the lie it is would even come close to saying that "we lose our salvation with every little sin".

Then just how many does it take? Is there a list or a number somewhere?

[Yukerboy]

I have always believed OSAS, but I believe that OSAS is actually AS. Before you were born, you were either chosen or not. God loved Jacob but hated Esau and this was before either had done anything good or bad, while they were still in the womb.

As for sin causing one to lose salvation, I have mentioned before about lying to your children when you state "Santa Claus is coming to town". It is a lie, a sin, and also misleading little ones. A lot of those against OSAS will justify this saying "That sin isn't bad enough to lose salvation".

Now, I move to one that would be. Suicide.

I think most everyone agree that suicide is a sin. Suicide is certainly a sin that is impossible to repent of. However, Jesus stated there is only one unforgiveable sin.

Either Suicide is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit OR suicide is a forgiveable sin and one that was forgiven when the person who committed it was chosen before he/she was born.

Yuke

[looking4jesus]

I have always believed OSAS, but I believe that OSAS is actually AS. Before you were born, you were either chosen or not. God loved Jacob but hated Esau and this was before either had done anything good or bad, while they were still in the womb.

As for sin causing one to lose salvation, I have mentioned before about lying to your children when you state "Santa Claus is coming to town". It is a lie, a sin, and also misleading little ones. A lot of those against OSAS will justify this saying "That sin isn't bad enough to lose salvation".

Now, I move to one that would be. Suicide.

I think most everyone agree that suicide is a sin. Suicide is certainly a sin that is impossible to repent of. However, Jesus stated there is only one unforgiveable sin.

Either Suicide is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit OR suicide is a forgiveable sin and one that was forgiven when the person who committed it was chosen before he/she was born.

Yuke

Well said when a person accept Jesus Christ and is saved it is a one time past, present and future event.
god Bless

[Vhayes]

Well said when a person accept Jesus Christ and is saved it is a one time past, present and future event.
god Bless

I agree. In my mind, when Jesus said He would never leave us or forsake us, He meant that. His word depends on Him and not on us.

[CoffeeCat]

Here's a question I've got, generally --

If OSAS is true, then what happens in the following scenario: a young person accepts Christ, starts to live for Christ, and then falls away from Christ and stops living for Him or even admitting that He exists. Is this person still saved? Will God pull this person back to Him? Let's assume that this person was actually, genuinely a Christian, and lets not use the argument "well, they must not have been really saved".

This scenario fits many, many people I know. I LIKE the OSAS position and hope that it's true, but this part of it's always bothered me. I'd love to know for sure that God creates us, saves us, and then nothing WE do can change that.... but if someone turns their back on God and walks away, does salvation still hold?

If OSAS is absolutely true, then there are a LOT more saved people walking around in this world today than we or even they would suspect.