Tongues discussion moved from MiC

***Firefighter*** · Nov 21st 2008, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by RoadWarrior

we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God."
NKJV

Answer: The people of all languages could hear in their own dialect, the testimony of the wonderful works of God.

What then do we do with Acts 10:47, 1 Corinthians 14:2, 15-16, 17, 19 ?

Originally Posted by RoadWarrior

That people might become believers, and disciples of Christ.

I agree as long as the context is in the assembly of the saints.

***RoadWarrior*** · Nov 21st 2008, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Urban Missionary

What then do we do with Acts 10:47, 1 Corinthians 14:2, 15-16, 17, 19 ?

I agree as long as the context is in the assembly of the saints.

Why don't you tell me, what do you do with those? I quoted the scriptures that answered the question. Please quote and discuss the scriptures which you think are important.

***Firefighter*** · Nov 21st 2008, 06:30 PM

I just gave you the scriptures. You made the claim that tongues were only known languages, so surely you have already considered the verses I have provided that say otherwise, right?

1Co 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

If tongues are KNOWN languages, why is it that no one understands them?

See the problem with your answer?

**looking4jesus** · Nov 21st 2008, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Urban Missionary

I just gave you the scriptures. You made the claim that tongues were only known languages, so surely you have already considered the verses I have provided that say otherwise, right?

1Co 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

If tongues are KNOWN languages, why is it that no one understands them?

See the problem with your answer?

Yes but look how easy it is for Satan to counterfit a bunch of gibberish that no one understands..give me a break anyone can babble gibberish and with auto suggestion being so high in pentecostal churches they will probably belive it is from God..You need to know that there are dispensations in the Bible which means certain things for certain times.
If you lump everything together thed Bible would never make good sense-

God Bless
Randy

***RogerW*** · Nov 21st 2008, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Urban Missionary

I just gave you the scriptures. You made the claim that tongues were only known languages, so surely you have already considered the verses I have provided that say otherwise, right?

1Co 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

If tongues are KNOWN languages, why is it that no one understands them?

See the problem with your answer?

Hmmm, because they are speaking in a language that others there do not know... Therefore he is speaking to God through the Spirit, and since no one else knows the language he is speaking in it is a mystery to them what he may be speaking in the Spirit.

Many Blessings,
RW

***VerticalReality*** · Nov 21st 2008, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by looking4jesus

Yes but look how easy it is for Satan to counterfit a bunch of gibberish that no one understands..give me a break anyone can babble gibberish and with auto suggestion being so high in pentecostal churches they will probably belive it is from God..You need to know that there are dispensations in the Bible which means certain things for certain times.
If you lump everything together thed Bible would never make good sense-

God Bless
Randy

Are you stating that Satan counterfeits the gift of tongues with "gibberish"? What wicked or evil thing do you suppose Satan is accomplishing through this "gibberish"?

**looking4jesus** · Nov 21st 2008, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by VerticalReality

Are you stating that Satan counterfeits the gift of tongues with "gibberish"? What wicked or evil thing do you suppose Satan is accomplishing through this "gibberish"?

I see your point but actaully alot can be accomplished by letting just gibberish in under the guise of God. The people that are speaking gibberish are under Satan control and do not know it so Satan wil use them in a way to bring down the real church of Jesus Christ. He can use these people in any way he wants. Who knows what the person is saying the person could be praying to Satan and demons in a unknown but acient langguage and who to know. That is why the Bible says to only use the unknown tonque in private prayer not in the assembly of people in a church but no pentecostal church follows that command.
God Bless
Randy

Emanate · Nov 21st 2008, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by VerticalReality

Are you stating that Satan counterfeits the gift of tongues with "gibberish"? What wicked or evil thing do you suppose Satan is accomplishing through this "gibberish"?

He certainly has fooled the gibberish speaker into believing they are very spritual. Led astray many by thinking they are worshipping God when they have actually been so consumed by emotionalism and shown their capacity to be fooled (lying sings and false wonders).

**looking4jesus** · Nov 21st 2008, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Emanate

He certainly has fooled the gibberish speaker into believing they are very spritual. Led astray many by thinking they are worshipping God when they have actually been so consumed by emotionalism and shown their capacity to be fooled (lying sings and false wonders).

Amen exactlyI wish that many pentecostals would look at the history of their faith. Looking at the early rivals would be a good start to see if it was from God or Satan..People lying on the ground making all kinds of animals sounds women screaming etc etc.
God Bless
Randy

Emanate · Nov 21st 2008, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by looking4jesus

Amen exactlyI wish that many pentecostals would look at the history of their faith. Looking at the early rivals would be a good start to see if it was from God or Satan..People lying on the ground making all kinds of animals sounds women screaming etc etc.
God Bless
Randy

These actions are quite common within Voodoo to this day.

***JesusReignsForever*** · Nov 21st 2008, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Emanate

He certainly has fooled the gibberish speaker into believing they are very spritual. Led astray many by thinking they are worshipping God when they have actually been so consumed by emotionalism and shown their capacity to be fooled

I agree with this I have seen it first hand...people are so ready to start "shouting" and "speaking in tounges" but are sure enough on there way to hell if they dont straighten it up and get it right with God. I went to this one church with my grandpa in NYC and the people were dancing and I mean dancing from the time we got there until the time we left....it was insane! I thought those kind of things only happened on You Tube but not so. It was horrible, and the spirit of God was there but very slightly..like there was only a few who were in the spirit. Emotionalism is on the rampage... watch out!

**looking4jesus** · Nov 21st 2008, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by JesusReignsForever

I agree with this I have seen it first hand...people are so ready to start "shouting" and "speaking in tounges" but are sure enough on there way to hell if they dont straighten it up and get it right with God. I went to this one church with my grandpa in NYC and the people were dancing and I mean dancing from the time we got there until the time we left....it was insane! I thought those kind of things only happened on You Tube but not so. It was horrible, and the spirit of God was there but very slightly..like there was only a few who were in the spirit. Emotionalism is on the rampage... watch out!

That was and is my point Satan is very much alive in these churches but is is near impossible to go to a brother or sister in Jesus and tell them this as they will reject you that is how strong a hold Satan has. Most people think as long as they are sincere it must come from God that is their first mistake.
God Bless
Randy

***JesusReignsForever*** · Nov 21st 2008, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by looking4jesus

That was and is my point Satan is very much alive in these churches but is is near impossible to go to a brother or sister in Jesus and tell them this as they will reject you that is how strong a hold Satan has. Most people think as long as they are sincere it must come from God that is their first mistake.
God Bless
Randy

True which is why we have to PRAY

prayer is a powerful thing and it changes everything. Pray Pray Pray!! Who can fix a problem better than God? NO ONE!

I just love HIM more everyday!

**looking4jesus** · Nov 21st 2008, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by JesusReignsForever

True which is why we have to PRAY

prayer is a powerful thing and it changes everything. Pray Pray Pray!! Who can fix a problem better than God? NO ONE!

I just love HIM more everyday!

So very true prayer is truly amazing when you think about it.
God Bles you JRF
Randy

***VerticalReality*** · Nov 22nd 2008, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by looking4jesus

I see your point but actaully alot can be accomplished by letting just gibberish in under the guise of God. The people that are speaking gibberish are under Satan control and do not know it so Satan wil use them in a way to bring down the real church of Jesus Christ. He can use these people in any way he wants. Who knows what the person is saying the person could be praying to Satan and demons in a unknown but acient langguage and who to know. That is why the Bible says to only use the unknown tonque in private prayer not in the assembly of people in a church but no pentecostal church follows that command.
God Bless
Randy

So then your belief here is that it isn't exactly "gibberish", as you call it, but in reality some ancient language? What ancient language do think that would be?