So you are contending that those who speak this "gibberish" really aren't spiritual but just emotionally foolish?Originally Posted by Emanate
How do you make this determination?
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So you are contending that those who speak this "gibberish" really aren't spiritual but just emotionally foolish?
How do you make this determination?
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
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I said could be nothing is for sure with Satan and that is where most of this tongue speaking and slain in the spirit comes from.
I have seen the exact same reaction in differt yoga camps it is all a lie from Satan. He gets the ball rolling then the high emotionlism takes over and then unknowing you gave Satan permission to enter so you have a spirit filled church but the spirit is not of God. This has always been my experience and almost always these types of churches will teach false doctrine and that is what Satan wants so he can accuse the real christians
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Randy
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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I'm still just not seeing what you're saying here. How can you tell this "gibberish" is from Satan? What about what they're saying makes it this "gibberish" that you speak of?
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
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How can you tell it is not..
The reason your not seeing is because you do not wnt to see.
God bless
Randy
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Why would God have a man, woman, or child, stand up in an all English speaking church in the USA, and prophesy in a foreign language they can't understand, nor can anybody else understand? What purpose does this serve? Talk about a misunderstanding of spiritual gifts. No way this is Biblical. The church in Corinth was a port city with people visiting it from all cultures and many different languages being spoken, hence the need for interpreters. What Pentecostals today are doing is not from Satan, it's just something they have been taught to do, and it simply comes from the flesh. It's not evil, but it's also not genuine.
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What am I not wanting to see? It seems to me by how you are following up with these questions that you really don't have an answer for what makes this "gibberish" from the devil. Why are you attributing something to the devil when it is obvious you really just aren't sure? Do you not think that is a little dangerous? I would hate to find out down the road that I was attributing something to the devil when it was from God. If you are going to be calling things like this of the devil it would probably be a good idea to be 100% certain.
Now, again I'm asking you . . .
This is your opportunity to make your case and show us all here why those who speak in these tongues are deceived and need to stop. What can you show us here that proves that these tongues are from the devil? Are you simply speculating? Let's put a stop to all the fear tactics and actually talk about truth. What proves these tongues are from the devil?
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
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That's a mighty large blanket you're using. Why is it folks are always trying to speak for other people? The fact of the matter is that if I was to tell some folks that I've witnessed blind eyes being opened and healed in the name of Jesus many would say, "Yeah right." If I was to say that I've seen the deaf made to hear again instantaneously many would say, "This guy is off his rocker," or worse yet, "This guy is a liar."
The fact is I can use the same approach that many others want to use. I could say that these folks don't have any firsthand knowledge about whether or not folks are truly speaking in legitimate tongues, and they are simply speaking forth what has been taught and engrained in their mind through man-made religion and fear tactics. Regardless of whether some of the skepticism is legitimate . . . that broad brush is just dangerous.
It's not difficult to state that there are some folks that are not speaking in legitimate tongues. However, to just pull out a large brush and swipe an entire denomination is not accurate at all. In fact, there are many Pentecostals on this forum that I respect a great deal that have many great testimonies of this gift in operation according to the biblical direction given. Regardless, as unfortunate as it is there will still be many calling it of the devil or of the flesh. Nevermind the fact that many have been blessed through this gift. Nevermind that many have come to the Lord through this gift. Nevermind the positive fruit that is still produces. It's not conforming to the logic of man, so therefore it must either be of the devil or of the flesh.
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
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I served satan for 28 years and not once did he give me the ability to speak in tongues as the Spirit enabled me. Tongues are the first evidence the Bible gives of being baptised in the Holy Spirit. Jesus is our baptiser in the Spirit and He only gives good and perfect gifts.
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Does not mean anything. I can show you firsthand Voodo, Yoga andothers where prople speak in te same unknown tongues.
This is why you and so many fall victum of this lie because you think just because your in a church and your sincere and the pastor says that you should speak in tongues as evidence that you been baptised well you belive all this stuff and none of it is true.
God Bles
Randy
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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God words tells you that speaking in tongues will cease..now I ask you show me the evidence where speaking in tongues is not from the devil.
God Bless
Randy
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
By His Stripes I'm Healed
When the early church spoke in other tongues how were they supposed to know that they were speaking in tongues from the Spirit or tongues from the devil? The only reason you know that they spoke tongues from the Spirit is because the bible says so. However, how were they supposed to know that?
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
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Yes, it says they will cease when we are perfected. That hasn't happened yet, so those tongues are still active.
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
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That is not in scripture you assumed and added that as your opinion.
As far as the early church goes they were speaking in the native tongue of the listener and all were saying the same message of Gods word.
Any way his has ben exhusted here on this thread. the day wil come where you will surely know the truth coming from our lord Jesus mouth so you willhave no excuse until then I will agree to disagree with you.
God bless
Randy
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
By His Stripes I'm Healed
It most certainly is in Scripture . . .
That's not the direction that Paul gives in 1 Corinthians 14. He says that folks need to speak in tongues silently to themselves in the church because the rest will not understand, so they were not speaking in their native tongue. So, how were they supposed to know, since nobody understood the tongue, that they were speaking the tongues of the Spirit or the tongues of the devil?As far as the early church goes they were speaking in the native tongue of the listener and all were saying the same message of Gods word.
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
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Ok show me the scripture that says tongues will cease when we are perfected.
OK
God Bless
Randy
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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