Accountable For Truth

***manichunter*** · Dec 5th 2008, 07:47 PM

Will God hold believers accountable for the truth they could have known, but they rejected the opportunies for various reasons?

Meaning, if a person had the access and chance to know the truth, will Yahweh mark it as sin, if a believer rejects the opportunity to learn more of Him, about themselve, and His kingdom. I am talking about stuff coming accross our path, that might seem like new or different in view and prospective, even contradictory at times.

I know a person who rejects the truth when they are presented with the gospel, will be held accountable for walking away from that truth.
What of the believer, who could escape additional lies post salvation that could have set them free.

Will Yahweh one day reveal to all persons when they rejected truth? I believe He will so all mankind, to include believers who still maintained the lie when they could have had the truth.

I.E. truths such as the significants and applications of certain Scriptural patterns, emblems, and events.

What say you................

Joh 8:32 - and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."

Joh 14:17 -that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

2Pe 1:12 - Therefore, I will always be ready to remind you of these things, even though you already know them, and have been established in the truth which is present with you.

1Th 5:21 - But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;

Acts 17:10-12 10 The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.

The Bereans had the right ideal by not rejecting it outright, but examining it. Hence they held themselves accountable to the opportunity and chance to know truth.

kenrank · Dec 5th 2008, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by manichunter

Will God hold believers accountable for the truth they could have known, but they rejected the opportunies for various reasons?

Meaning, if a person had the access and chance to know the truth, will Yahweh mark it as sin, if a believer rejects the opportunity to learn more of Him, about themselve, and His kingdom.

I know a person who rejects the truth when they are presented with the gospel, will be held accountable for walking away from that truth.
What of the believer, who could escape additional lies post salvation that could have set them free.

Will Yahweh one day reveal to all persons when they rejected truth? I believe He will so all mankind, to include believers who still maintained the lie when they could have had the truth.

I.E. truths such as the significants and applications of certain Scriptural patterns, emblems, and events.

What say you................

Joh 8:32 - and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."

Joh 14:17 -that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

2Pe 1:12 - Therefore, I will always be ready to remind you of these things, even though you already know them, and have been established in the truth which is present with you.

I don't know how to answer. No man knows "all" the truth. A man can be a member of the Household of God...but be a milk drinker...not yet on soft food or meat. I also think God's grace works in ways we don't usually consider. He "might" not reveal a truth then, you simply are not ready to handle.

I started going to a Baptist Church 14 years ago. A Pentacostalish church 2 years later....I backed away and studied independently for another 5 years...and have been part of the Hebrew Roots movement for the last 7. The amount of knowledge I understand now dwarfs what I knew when I first started...as it does for ALL. Could you imagine how I would have been suffocated had what I know now been dumped on me all at once 14 years ago? I think then, God reveals His will and authority as you grow and can handle it.

That's in part why I believe we are judged according to what we know. If we understand a particular act to be a sin...we best not do the act.

Peace.
Ken

***crossnote*** · Dec 6th 2008, 06:36 AM

Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind."
(Joh 9:39)

We are so blind apart from the grace of God we wouldn't know the truth if it bipped us upside our head. This is illustrated in the following passage.

The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.
(Joh 1:9-10)

Mankind is already condemn-
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil.
(Joh 3:17-19)

**Just_Another_Guy** · Dec 6th 2008, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by manichunter

Will God hold believers accountable for the truth they could have known, but they rejected the opportunies for various reasons?

This is a difficult question manichunter. I would say that it's hard to determine. I think that God looks at situations differently, and bases things on the circumstances an individual has before them. We don't know the exact reasons why people reject things. Sometimes it could be the way in which the information was presented. Think of blind guides..like the Pharisees..leading those people astray by turning every ceremonial ritual into something that God requires one to do for salvation...making it difficult for people who want to know God to come to him, because they are to afraid of God's wrath and possible reproach of them.

So in the end, I think God is compassionate/merciful as he is just. I think his decisions he makes regarding things aren't always as cut and dry as man tries to portray them. I'm sure he makes informed decisions based on all the information on a situation, and then decides how accountable an individual should be regarding any type of rejection of his Word.

***RogerW*** · Dec 6th 2008, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by manichunter

Will God hold believers accountable for the truth they could have known, but they rejected the opportunies for various reasons?

Meaning, if a person had the access and chance to know the truth, will Yahweh mark it as sin, if a believer rejects the opportunity to learn more of Him, about themselve, and His kingdom. I am talking about stuff coming accross our path, that might seem like new or different in view and prospective, even contradictory at times.

I know a person who rejects the truth when they are presented with the gospel, will be held accountable for walking away from that truth.
What of the believer, who could escape additional lies post salvation that could have set them free.

Will Yahweh one day reveal to all persons when they rejected truth? I believe He will so all mankind, to include believers who still maintained the lie when they could have had the truth.

I.E. truths such as the significants and applications of certain Scriptural patterns, emblems, and events.

What say you................

Joh 8:32 - and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."

Joh 14:17 -that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

2Pe 1:12 - Therefore, I will always be ready to remind you of these things, even though you already know them, and have been established in the truth which is present with you.

1Th 5:21 - But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;

Acts 17:10-12 10 The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.

The Bereans had the right ideal by not rejecting it outright, but examining it. Hence they held themselves accountable to the opportunity and chance to know truth.

There is a real danger here in beginning to think that it is what we know, rather than what He did that saves us. Is salvation dependent upon what I know, or in my knowing what He did and Who He is? Salvation is of the Lord!

Many Blessings,
RW

***manichunter*** · Dec 7th 2008, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by RogerW

There is a real danger here in beginning to think that it is what we know, rather than what He did that saves us. Is salvation dependent upon what I know, or in my knowing what He did and Who He is? Salvation is of the Lord!

Many Blessings,
RW

King Solomon could preach this message at the end of his life very well.

***SIG*** · Dec 7th 2008, 11:06 PM

You are talking about believers, and God is not keeping that kind of scorecard. "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."

He reveals truth to those who are His as He will. And they will fulfill His purposes whether they are aware of it or not.

***Brother Mark*** · Dec 7th 2008, 11:12 PM

Jesus said it would be more tolerable for Sodom in judgment than it would be for the cities of his day.

When it comes to sin, lost folks for sure are held to a standard that is based on what truth they have been exposed to. Some folks in the US may have a hotter fire than some of the savage war lords of the past.

***manichunter*** · Dec 8th 2008, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by SIG

You are talking about believers, and God is not keeping that kind of scorecard. "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."

He reveals truth to those who are His as He will. And they will fulfill His purposes whether they are aware of it or not.

Let me show you something that triped me out. The Scripture says that we have to be transformed by the renewing of our mind. That even a believer is still mentally and emotionally confirmed to this world unless a transformation happens within their unsanctified soul. The reason Scripture give is so a person can then know something they could have not ever known or understood without the transformation beginning and applied. What can't a believer know until they are transformed? This is one of the mysteries behind the great number of baby believers within the body of Christ.