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Some information from Wiki...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell
In many religious traditions, Hell is a place of suffering and punishment in the afterlife, often in the underworld. Religions with a linear divine history often depict Hell as endless (for example, see Hell in Christian beliefs).
The modern English word Hell is derived from Old English hel, helle (about 725 AD to refer to a nether world of the dead) reaching into the Anglo-Saxon pagan period, and ultimately from Proto-Germanic *halja, meaning "one who covers up or hides something".
The word has cognates in related Germanic languages such as Old Frisian helle, hille, Old Saxon hellja, Middle Dutch helle (modern Dutch hel), Old High German helle (Modern German Hölle), and Gothic halja.
Subsequently, the word was used to transfer a pagan concept to Christian theology and its vocabulary[3] (however, for the Judeo-Christian origin of the concept see Gehenna).
The English word hell has been theorized as being derived from Old Norse Hel.[3] Among other sources, the Poetic Edda, compiled from earlier traditional sources in the 13th century, and the Prose Edda, written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson, provide information regarding the beliefs of the Norse pagans, including a being named Hel, who is described as ruling over an underworld location of the same name.
Judaism
Daniel 12:2 proclaims "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." Judaism does not have a specific doctrine about the afterlife, but it does have a mystical/Orthodox tradition of describing Gehenna.
Gehenna is not Hell, but rather a sort of Purgatory where one is judged based on his or her life's deeds, or rather, where one becomes fully aware of one's own shortcomings and negative actions during one's life. The Kabbalah describes it as a "waiting room" (commonly translated as an "entry way") for all souls (not just the wicked).
The overwhelming majority of rabbinic thought maintains that people are not in Gehenna forever; the longest that one can be there is said to be 11 months, however there has been the occasional noted exception. Some consider it a spiritual forge where the soul is purified for its eventual ascent to Olam Habah (heb. עולם הבא; lit. "The world to come", often viewed as analogous to Heaven). This is also mentioned in the Kabbalah, where the soul is described as breaking, like the flame of a candle lighting another: the part of the soul that ascends being pure and the "unfinished" piece being reborn.
According to Jewish teachings, hell is not entirely physical; rather, it can be compared to a very intense feeling of shame. People are ashamed of their misdeeds and this constitutes suffering which makes up for the bad deeds. When one has so deviated from the will of God, one is said to be in gehinom. This is not meant to refer to some point in the future, but to the very present moment. The gates of teshuva (return) are said to be always open, and so one can align his will with that of God at any moment. Being out of alignment with God's will is itself a punishment according to the Torah. In addition, Subbotniks and Messianic Judaism believe in Gehenna, but Samaritans probably believe in a separation of the wicked in a shadowy existence, Sheol, and the righteous in heaven.
Christianity
The Christian doctrine of hell derives from the teaching of the New Testament, where hell is typically described using the Greek words Tartarus or Hades or the Hebrew word Gehenna. Hell is taught as the final destiny of those who have not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior after they have passed through the great white throne of judgment [4] [5], where they will be punished for sin and permanently separated from God after the general resurrection and last judgment. However, many Christian theologians of the early Church and some of the modern Church subscribe to the doctrines of conditional immortality ("annihilationism") or universal reconciliation. [6][7][8]
Biblical words translated as "Hell"
Sheol
In the King James Bible, the Old Testament term Sheol is translated as "Hell" 31 times.[14] However, Sheol was translated as "the grave" 31 other times.[15] Sheol is also translated as "the pit" three times.[16]
Modern translations, however, do not translate Sheol as "Hell" at all, instead rendering it "the grave," "the pit," or "death." See Intermediate state.
Gehenna
In the New Testament, both early (i.e. the KJV) and modern translations often translate Gehenna as "Hell."[17] Young's Literal Translation is one notable exception, simply using "Gehenna", which was in fact a geographic location just outside Jerusalem (the Valley of Hinnom).
Tartarus
Appearing only in II Peter 2:4 in the New Testament, both early and modern translations often translate Tartarus as "Hell." Again, Young's Literal Translation is an exception, using "Tartarus".
Hades
Hades is the Greek word traditionally used for the Hebrew word Sheol in such works as the Septuagint, the Greek translations of the Hebrew Bible. Like other first-century Jews literate in Greek, Christian writers of the New Testament followed this use. While earlier translations (i.e. the KJV) most often translated Hades as "hell", modern translations use the transliteration "Hades" or render the word as "the grave" in most contexts. See Intermediate state.
Abaddon
The Hebrew word Abaddon, meaning "destruction", is sometimes used as a synonym of Hell.[18]
Infernus
The Latin word infernus means "being underneath" and is often translated as "Hell".
Chad
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Jesus describes it as....outter darkness...where there's weeping... wailing and gnashing of teeth....
Good work Chad...
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Um yeah thanks. I'm pretty sure it was not me who did all the work though. I just read the wikipedia page and posted the bits I thought were relevant.
Chad.
Originally Posted by mdo757
Good work Chad...
Last edited by chad; Dec 21st 2008 at 02:27 AM.
According to scripture in the final judgment; those who are condemned will be also brought back to life on that day. They will die the second death called the death of the spirit. For those who do not know this, the word "fire" is often used to mean judgment.
We do not worship a God who is without mercy. Exodus 20:6. And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Any steps in the right direction is good work.Um yeah thanks. I'm pretty sure If it was not me who did all the work though. I just read the wikipedia page and posted the bits I thought were relevant.
Chad.
Matthew 16:18
So what are you getting at here? Are you saying that all get to live forever and that on one will be subject to eternal punishment.
I am a Christian man in the Devil's land, spreading the gospel man to man.
Have you laid your burdens down?
Formerly moonglow
mdo757...while I agree there is no hell...that it should have been 'hades' in the bible...what about the lake of fire? In Revelations we see death and hades are cast into the lake of fire...which is the second death. Revelation 20:14.
Meanwhile this article might interest you..it backs up what you are saying:
One Second After Death
by Dave Miller, Ph.D.
The term translated “hell” in Luke 16:23 is the Greek word hades, and is not to be confused with the word gehenna. “Gehenna” is found twelve times in the New Testament, and refers to the place of eternal, everlasting punishment—the “lake of fire” where Satan, his angels, and all wicked people will be consigned after the Second Coming of Jesus and the Judgment. So gehenna is hell. “Hades,” on the other hand, occurs ten times in the New Testament, and always refers to the unseen realm of the dead—the recepticle of disembodied spirits where all people who die await the Lord’s return. At that time, our spirits will be reunited with our resurrection bodies (1 Corinthians 15:35-54).
Luke 16 shows us that hades contains two regions. One is referred to as the “bosom of Abraham” (which simply means “near” or “in the presence of ” Abraham—cf. John 1:18). The other region in hades is described as tormenting flame. Every other passage in the New Testament that refers to hades harmonizes with this description of the intermediate realm of the dead where the deceased await the resurrection and judgment.
I agree no one is burning literally in flames of fire...if the rich man in Luke 16 was, he certainly wouldn't be having a conversation as we read, but screaming in pain.
Be interesting to see where this thread goes.
God bless
"People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson
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In RCIA class I learned of the Pit in Jerusalem, and of Hell being the grave.
This then made me question if the Hell that we know truely exists?
The more I learn about christianity and god the more it shatters the standard image of what I believed there to be.
Servant of the LORD
Hell is eternal seperation from God and there is definitely that.
I am sheep -hear me bleat
I have never even heard of some of those Bible versions...
And if there were no hell, then what happens after death to those who don't choose Jesus?
Agreed.Hell is eternal seperation from God and there is definitely that.
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If there is no hell then explain this passage
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Scripture says that the punishment for sin is death of the spirit in the final judgment.
Matthew 16:18
So you are saying that hell is a pagan belief? Give me what you are trying to convey with scripture and not some other guy's thoughts on the matter, just use the scriptures.
I am a Christian man in the Devil's land, spreading the gospel man to man.
Have you laid your burdens down?
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