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    Exclamation Sun proves: Jesus descended from Heaven, rose from dead, will resurrect the dead,…

    "All things by Him [Jesus] & for Him were made." (Colossians 1:16)

    There are many things in nature which God created that share many uncommon with the three persons of God and were made to testify that the Bible is true and for us to praise Him, as all things in nature should lead us to do. (Psalm 148) These things include the Sun, light, wind, water, & trees, which are all said in the Bible to be symbols of God.

    Like the Son of God Jesus, the Sun appears to:
    -descend from heaven to Earth
    -disappear in a bloody death
    -be "resurrected"
    -ascend into heaven
    -come on the clouds of Heaven
    -cannot be escaped anywhere on Earth for long [except in the deep sea for instance, which is a symbol of Rev. 9:11's Abyss of Hell where God cannot be sensed], as is said of God in Psalm 139
    -gives life, as it says of Jesus "in Him was life & the life was the light of men" (John 1:4)
    -brings the dead trees back to life, as Jesus says that when He comes all the dead will return to life (John 5:28); humans are compared to trees often in the Bible (ex. "every bad tree will be chopped down and thrown into the fire": Matt. 12)
    -have existed before man existed, as it says of Jesus "in the beginning was the Word" (John 1:1)
    -never die, although it eventually will when the Son of God replaces the Sun (Rev. 21-22)
    -these are just a few of the extremely numerous & uncommon similarities discussed on http://www.primaryproofsofchristianity.com, which shows how the Bible reveals the meaning behind nature & all history

    Thus, the Sun is a powerful witness to people all over the world that everything said about Jesus in the Bible is true.

    Biblical Evidence that the Sun is a symbol of the Son of God
    1) In Psalm 84:11, it says that “the LORD God is a sun and shield.” This is obviously metaphorical, for the Psalmist is very aware that God is not a body as the Sun is. The word “LORD” is a title for the Son of God as well as for the Father. However, all the following references connect the Sun with the God the Son, not God the Father.
    2) The Son of God calls himself the “light of the world” (John 8:12), and the Sun is the most prominent light of the world that we can see with our eyes.
    3) in Malachi 4:2, the last chapter of the Old Testament immediately followed by Jesus' genealogy, it is said "the Sun of Righteousness will rise with healing in his wings"; this is referring to Jesus the Son of God
    4) Jesus’ face is said to shine “as the noon-day Sun” both during the Transfiguration (Matt. 17:2) and in Rev. 1:16. In the New Jerusalem, there is said to be no need for the Sun because of the light from God and His Son. (Rev. 21:23)
    5) As the SON of God was “absent” from sight for THREE days after His body died, so was Jesus’s death accompanied by a THREE-hour absence of the SUN (Matt. 27:45); the SUN absent for THREE days to punish the Egyptians for sinning (Exodus 10:22-23); and the SUN’s light invisible to Paul for THREE days after the Son strikes Paul from Heaven with a blinding light. (Acts 9:3-5,9)


    "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he that is disobedient to the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." (John 3:36)

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    Exclamation more on the Sun-the Son of God

    “The heavens declare the glory of God” in part because the Sun is a symbol of God the Son. God the Son “TABERNACLED among us” (John 1:14), and the tabernacle is a type of Him. The Messiah is called a BRIDEGROOM in Isaiah 61:1-2,8,10 & 62:5; and Jesus compares Himself to a BRIDEGROOM in several of his parables, including the parable of the ten virgins and the parable of the wedding feast. (Matt. 22:2, Matt. 25:1) The Messiah-King, Jesus, is called a “STRONG MAN”/”HERO” (same Hebrew word as in Psalm 19) in Psalm 45:3. The last sentence of the quotation is a reference to the fact that Jesus can see all over the world. For instance, He “saw” Nathanael was sitting under a fig tree although Nathanael was not
    within the range of His eyesight. This seeing of course provokes Nathanael to say: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are the King of Israel!” (John 1:48-49) This passage is clearly inspired by God, for what human mind would think on his own to compare the Sun to a bridegroom and a hero?!

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    Great topic. In fact I am working on a paper with this central idea. The more I study Jesus and Sun relation, the more I am convinced they are the same. So many scriptures liken Jesus to the sun, a good place to start is read the book of John. They are loaded there.

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    The bible does not use the sun in anyway as proof of Christ and..the moon and the stars also 'set and' 'rise' anyway..its a weak presentation to start with and this example actually plays into the idea of sun worship which the pagan did with their pagan gods and would only enhance their argument that the life of Jesus was nothing more then a copy of earlier pagan gods. Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aW2N46vf4Q Where they say this...and rethink what you are saying here.


    God bless
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    Exclamation the Sun & the pagan gods: proof of the Bible

    Moonglow,

    The reason the Sun is connected with pagan gods like the Egyptian Amen-Ra is that he is & well as the Sun is one of the many types of the Antichrist who have appeared throughout world-history & who imitate Christ in many uncommon ways just as the Antichrist will:

    "These things saith the Amen [Jesus is speaking here since the end of Revelation 1], the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God..." (Revelation 3:14)

    As the Devil says "I will be like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:14), so have his fellow "world-rulers of darkness" (Eph. 6:12) been imitating the three persons of God including Jesus throughout all history, in part by appearing as non-Christian gods all over the world: "They sacrificed not to God, but to DEVILS; to GODS they knew not." (Deut. 32:17, 1 Cor. 10:19)

    Truly "all things by Him [Christ] & for Him were made." (Col. 1:16) The whole of the Bible & His-story is the story of Jesus Christ and the Antichrist, even the parts of the Bible written hundreds of years before Jesus' virgin birth. Thus, "every Scripture is inspired of God," for all of it reveals God's foreknowledge and directing of history, as is manifest by the fact that there are so many things & people which each resemble (1) the Antichrist "Beast" (the incarnation of Satan the "Beast" of Rev. 12) who will imitate Christ in many uncommon ways, and (2) the three persons of God including Christ, in so many uncommon ways that some atheists falsely concluded that Jesus' life was a fiction based on the life of Julius Caesar, or Buddha, or some other pagan god, especially due to the book The DaVinci Code, so do not be deceived into thinking that these resemblances are merely coincidental.

    I call these people "types of Christ" & "types of the Antichrist" ("TYPE": a thing or person that represents perfectly or in the best way a class or category; model; a genus or species that most nearly exemplifies the essential characteristics of a higher group)," and they are all extensively discussed on http://www.primaryproofsofchristianity.com

    The Antichrist will resemble Christ in many uncommon ways: for instance, the Antichrist will be the king of all kings [except God] (Rev. 17:13) (as many of the types of the Antichrist such as Buddha, Nietzsche, & Elvis "the King" are kings over people's behavior), will appear to return from the dead (Rev. 13:3), WILL BE WORSHIPPED WORLDWIDE (Rev. 13:4), and will "minister" for 3 1/2 years (Rev. 13:5, compare Luke 4:25 where Jesus compares his ministry to Elijah's) All these types resemble the Antichrist & God in many uncommon ways. Even the meanings of their names echo Satan & Christ in uncommon ways, for God "who works ALL things according to the counsel of His will" (Eph. 1:11) secretely is responsible for apparently every name that has ever been assigned to a person, as I know from having well-considered the meanings of the names of well over a hundred people.

    A. in Bible:
    -types of Christ: Noah the one means of being saved, Isaac, Joseph the savior of the world, Moses, Aaron, the Passover Lamb the means of salvation, the elements of the Exodus Tabernacle, the serpent raised on a standard in Numbers 21, Joshua (has the same name in Jesus in Hebrew) who is the means by which God's people enter the Promised Land…
    -types of Antichrist: Nimrod ("rebellion") the King of Babylon (his "whore [& "queen"] of Babylon": Semiramis), King Saul ("death") the 1st King of Israel, Goliath, Cain ("spear"), King Balak ("he who lays waste, destroys"), King Absalom ("Father of Peace") the son of David, King Sennacherib ["bramble of destruction"] (2 Kings 1, King Nebuchadnezzar [in the Babylonian orthography Nabu-kudur-uzur, which means "Nebo (a Babylonian god i.e. a demon), protect the crown!"; or "tears & groans of judgement"] (Daniel 1-4), Haman ["noise, tumult"] (Esther), King Anti-ochus ("Against the Strong One") Theos Epiphanes ("God Manifest") (Daniel 11:21-35) King Solomon ("peace"- as Jesus is the "Prince of Peace") the son of David who turned away from God in the end of his reign & the wisest person ever other than Jesus & who has 666 shekels of gold coming to him every year.

    B. outside Bible: types of the Antichrist:
    -the omniscient undying prayer-answering Santa Claus a.k.a. Satan Claws a.k.a. Kriss Kringle from "Christkindl" "the little Christ child" a.k.a. St. Nick related to "Old Nick" a name for Satan (I'm not crazy; Satan "transforms himself into an angel of light" & "deceiveth the whole world"; Santa resembles him & God in many uncommon ways, as many people have noticed on the Internet)
    -the popes
    -gods (ex. "virgin-born" Buddha, Crishna the chief Hindu god, Confucius, Hercules "born on Dec. 25", the paganized Virgin Mary "Queen of Heaven" who is prayed to & worshipped by many even if they don't call her a god, many SUN GODS whose birthday was celebrated on Dec. 25th such as the Greek gods Attis & Dionysus, the Persian Mithra, the Egyptian Horus, etc.)
    -political leaders (ex. "virgin-born" Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan ["Lord of the Universe," related to "Cain"], Napoleon, Adolf ("wolf") Hitler, Josef Stalin ("Man of Steel," like Superman & Shaquille O'Neal), Mao Zedong)
    -and many more

    Thus, the Sun is actually a type of the Antichrist just like the "sun gods" above. It too is "born" on Dec. 25 for that is when the daylight hours begin to lengthen, although the true Son of God in all likelihood was not born on Dec. 25.

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    Well we know Jesus was not born on Dec, 25th but the church put that date to celebrate His birth in order to stamp out the pagan holiday which worked pretty well. Santa Claus is based on a true story of a Christian man that did make toys and give them to children and did other kind things in following the teachings of Christ...never heard of him or many others you mentioned being included in that list before...

    Many of these pagan gods were of course not real people at all as their idols were made up of half human half animal in many cases...just what people came up with for whatever reason...(alot of these pagan gods names are names of demons or another name for satan I discovered and since the sacrifice of children were involved this only strengthen that idea....they were extremely evil for sure). Mirtha was born of a rock, not of a virgin. In my research though none of these pagan gods were really said to be virgin born (unlike that the video says) nor were killed and rose from the dead either. Horus for instance, died and 'lived in the underworld' he never 'rose from the dead', nor was he virgin born like many say. Very few, if any, actually had any kind of life like Christ (their stories, I should say since most were made up stories and not based on any real person at all). So I can't see how they were imitations of Christ being antichrist...

    I get my information from here: http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycat.html (the Christian think tank): http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycatwho2.html


    Jesus said there would always be antichrist in the world..they were around before His time and afterwards. So I agree in that sense, that yes there has been many antichrist.
    Thus, the Sun is actually a type of the Antichrist just like the "sun gods" above.
    So then why do you want to try to use the Sun to prove Christ???

    God bless
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonglow View Post
    The bible does not use the sun in anyway as proof of Christ and..
    You are correct. The bible does not use a literal, direct representation of Jesus. However the other hints in the bible just scream its connection. John 8:12 "I am the light of the world...."

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    Even though the Sun is a type of the Antichrist who bears many uncommon resemblances to Christ, it and all the other types of the Antichrist are proof of the Bible because they are so many of them all over the world throughout all history. The connections between the pagan gods & Christ are too numerous & uncommon to be ignored, even if they are not all true. Here is a modern example of the many types of the Antichrist discussed on http://www.primaryproofsofchristianity.com:

    THE PAGANIZED VIRGIN MARY (she is "worshipped" whenever she is highly praised & thanked by people because they think she answered their prayers):

    "I will not give My glory to another [including Mary & other saints]." (Isaiah 48:11) "Love God with all your heart." (Matt. 22:36) The Catholic Vatican contradicts the Bible, which teaches that the Virgin Mary is not "co-redeemer," a "perpetual virgin" (she has other children by Joseph!), "immaculately conceived" without sin (Luke 1:47: she calls Jesus her "savior"), & bodily assumed into Heaven. This "Queen of Heaven" (condemned by God in Jeremiah 7 & 44) is a demonic imitation of Christ just like the other types of the Antichrist including Semiramis the ancient "Queen of Heaven" who had "savior" Tammuz as her son & was worshipped along with him. Satan "deceiveth the whole world." (Rev. 12:9)

    "And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray and not lose hope...shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him [YOU CANNOT DO THIS IF YOU ARE PRAYING TO MARY OR OTHER SAINTS], though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:1,7-8)

    Alexander the Great: (type of the Antichrist who "will be like the Most High")
    -he, Jesus as the Lamb, and Satan have two horns (oracle of Zeus Amun...Plutarch states in his biography that the oracle hailed him as the son of the god...Alexander's supposed descent from the deity may help explain the references to the Macedonian conqueror as "The Two-Horned One"...)
    -both said to be born of a virgin (according to Plutarch in his in his Parallel Lives of the Noble (!!!) Greeks & Romans)
    -both called the "son of God" (according to Plutarch in his Parallel Lives of the Noble (!!!) Greeks & Romans)
    -Alexander was taught by Aristotle, the third person of Socrates-Plato (said to be born of a virgin)-Aristotle whom I show to together symbolize the Holy Trinity in whom all wisdom is found: truly was Jesus taught by the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, and truly did it descend upon Him in the form of a dove when He was baptized by John the Baptist (Matt. 3:16)
    -"Magi" (same word used in Gospel of Matthew) see an unusual portent (in his case, a temple suddenly being set on fire on the day Alexander was born; in Jesus's case, a strange-looking star) which signals how unusual Alexander & Jesus are
    -both conquer much of the world (for Jesus rules people everywhere, and "it is necessary for him to reign until He shall have put all enemies under His feet...all things He [God the Father] put in subjection under His [Jesus'] feet." [1 Corinthians 15:25-27])
    -both said to be miraculously handsome (The Messiah, at least when He comes again, is "fairer than the sons of men" [Psalms 45:2])
    -both never lose a battle, as is also true of other types of Christ & Antichrist including Cyrus the Great, Scipio the Great, & King David (for God's plans always succeed)
    -both said to be uncommonly virtuous men (Montaigne called Alexander one of the three greatest men who ever lived, along with Homer! And in his essay "On Cruelty," he says that the two most perfect souls are Socrates & Cato the Younger! It is most of all Montaigne along with Plutarch who prevented me for two months from seeing that Alexander & Julius Caesar are not types of Christ but rather of the Antichrist), although Alexander had many flaws such as a strong inclination to drunkenness & anger which resulted in violent murderers, even of his own father supposedly, as the Anti-Christ will appear to be a very virtuous man & will thereby seduce people to worship him after Christians vanish from the Earth during the Rapture
    -Alexander the Great is often compared to Julius Caesar (for instance by Plutarch in his Parallel Lives of the Noble (!!!) Greeks & Romans), another person whom God made to be a symbol of the Anti-Christ
    -as Jesus has most commonly been thought to have died at age 33 in AD 33 (although this is most likely false, as is the theory that he died on Good Friday & that he was born on December 25th, although many of the types of the Antichrist like Lincoln are associated with Good Friday, December 25th, & the number 33, probably to show that they are not the true Christ), so did Alexander die at age 33 in 323 BC. (11, 13, 33: Masonic (i.e. Satanic) Signature)

    More Biblical evidence that there are types of the Antichrist is given in Revelation 13 where the "first beast" is described as having "seven heads" (13:1) which represent "seven kings" (17:10), of which, at the time of the writer of Revelation, "five are fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come" (17:11). Daniel 2:31-44 about the statue with four parts which represent four kingdoms together with Daniel 7, the passage on the "four beasts" (7:1-8) teach that these fallen "kings" include Nebuchadnezzar the first beast, Cyrus the Great the second beast, Alexander the Great the third beast, and the Caesars which are partial representations of the fourth beast. The research which I have done almost daily since August shows that these and many other people in world history resemble Christ & the Antichrist/Satan in many very uncommon ways, and this is very useful information for bringing people to consider the truth of Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romber View Post
    You are correct. The bible does not use a literal, direct representation of Jesus. However the other hints in the bible just scream its connection. John 8:12 "I am the light of the world...."
    I don't think so....the sun is a created star...to compare it or its light to the Glory of Christ who is not a created being, I think actually does His glory a disservice. In Revelation we are told this:

    Revelation 22:5
    There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.


    God bless
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    Wow more evidence Jesus is just made up, and Christianity is just modern day sun worship. The more I read about this, the more obvious it gets. Of course I'll still remain a Christian, I don't want to go to hell. I'm just confused what it means to be a christian any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smot_poker View Post
    Wow more evidence Jesus is just made up, and Christianity is just modern day sun worship. The more I read about this, the more obvious it gets. Of course I'll still remain a Christian, I don't want to go to hell. I'm just confused what it means to be a christian any more.

    I'll tell you straight up- If your belief is "Jesus is made up, & Christianity is sun worship" then you aren't a Christian.
    Besides, if it's really "obvious" to you that this is the case, why would you "remain a Christian"? (assuming you are one....)

    If you want to ask questions for clarification, please do so. We're all happy to help. But if your goal is to sling ridiculous, irrational statements around, you can do that on the "other" message board you belong to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markdrums View Post
    I'll tell you straight up- If your belief is "Jesus is made up, & Christianity is sun worship" then you aren't a Christian.
    Besides, if it's really "obvious" to you that this is the case, why would you "remain a Christian"? (assuming you are one....)

    If you want to ask questions for clarification, please do so. We're all happy to help. But if your goal is to sling ridiculous, irrational statements around, you can do that on the "other" message board you belong to.
    I remain a Christian by going to church, and taking comunion, and all that. If Jesus ever really walked the earth is irrelevant as long as the God I pray to is the same, right?

    I'm not a member of any other message board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smot_poker View Post
    I remain a Christian by going to church, and taking comunion, and all that. If Jesus ever really walked the earth is irrelevant as long as the God I pray to is the same, right?

    I'm not a member of any other message board.
    Going to church doesn't "make you a Christian". (Just as going into a garage doesn't make you a car...)
    Communion doesn't bring salvation, nor make you a Christian either.
    The KEY word is CHRIST.

    The God of the Bible is a triune God. Existing in 3 distinct "persons" - The Father; The Son (Jesus); & the Holy Spirit. If you're definition of GOD is different, or you deny the deity of Christ, you are not a Christian.

    Make sense?

    Also- just a quick side note: If you're looking for "evidence" to support the existence of Jesus, there are MANY of them. (Including anceint writings from secular, NON-Biblical sources, that give accounts of him.)

    But remember, you CAN'T be a CHRISTian, without CHRIST.
    Plain & simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smot_poker View Post
    Wow more evidence Jesus is just made up, and Christianity is just modern day sun worship. The more I read about this, the more obvious it gets. Of course I'll still remain a Christian, I don't want to go to hell. I'm just confused what it means to be a christian any more.
    not true...I did this video to address this: Jesus was not a sun god

    Also check out these links which are listed to the right of my video:
    Good question......was Jesus Christ just a CopyCat Savior Myth?
    http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycatwho2.html (part two)
    http://www.christian-thinktank.com/stil13.html (part three)

    As you see Jesus is NOT a sun god nor is His life a copy of pagan sun gods...this is why I objected to the OP so strongly.

    God bless
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    moonglow, can you see where I am coming from though? The scriptures that the Sun is compared to the Son?

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