OK second question about ghosts

[Jolie76]

Ok I know there is some opinions about ghosts and if you die you aren't seeing their spirit etc, but I have to beg to differ..

Tonight at work I saw a ghost, as some of you know I have been able to do this from time to time since i was like three. I don't understand if you aren't seeing the spirit why did I see this person tonight.
I work graveyard at a movie studio and I was at a location that has this facade which is a building on one side and fake on the other, only one way in.
I was sitting across from the entrance of the facade around 2:20 am and I saw a half a body go into the buildng and go left, the only way you can go. No one approached I just like saw him all of a sudden go in. I waitied a few minutes cuz there is only one way in and out. No one came out, I went around to the other side of the facade to make sure there were no doors and there aren't it was just a wall like any other structure.
I took a careful look around and there was noone there anymore, and there is no way it was some one else where I work you would see a night person etc. So I went to my boss and told her what I saw and I decribed what I saw and what he looked like from the view I had anyway.
She told me a few decades ago a crew men died there on the set of the movie ANNIE and he was around that age.
So I'm scratching my head as to what is going on. I had absolutely no fear it was just curiousity and confusion to the whole ghost thing. He made no attempt to see me, I don't think he even knew I was there to be honest.
Ironically they film Ghost Whisper at this very spot heheeh.

Any clues? And no I wasn't drunk heeh I was wide awake doing my usual walk and star watching etc.

[modanufu]

Why would anyone deny what you saw? It's quite possible you saw an apparition. The question is, however, what was it? Ghost in the sense of deceased person? Demon? Vision? Hallucination? Or anything not specifiable? Our observations as human beings are never completely "objective". I do not mean you didn't see anything but, well, it is not always easy to define what is exactly going on if a person sees something.

It's advisable to bring such things immediately in prayer before the Lord. He is our Shield.

Kind regards,

Dik

[Jolie76]

it was not a apparition so to speak it was a half torso man I could clearly see, no bright light or whatever, he moved as if he was a whole body but the only part visble was his upper torso to his face, he wsa only side to and back to me, I never saw his face.
Yes it was a deceased person, from the crew that died when the movie annie was being filmed.

[modanufu]

it was not a apparition so to speak it was a half torso man I could clearly see, no bright light or whatever, he moved as if he was a whole body but the only part visble was his upper torso to his face, he wsa only side to and back to me, I never saw his face.
Yes it was a deceased person, from the crew that died when the movie annie was being filmed.

How do you know it was a deceased person? It seems that you know that only from hearsay. I don't know what movie it is nor about a crew that died during the filming. Please mind, I'm not prejudiced against the existence of ghosts or spectres. There are too many stories of that around and although only 1% of that is true (not improbable) then there is something about it. It is, however, very difficult to know precisely what is going on when something like that happens. I hope you don't see it again. It seems a quite disturbing experience to me!

Kind regards,
Dik

[Athanasius]

It was demonic if you indeed see this thing, not the ghost of a person from long ago...

[markdrums]

It was demonic if you indeed see this thing, not the ghost of a person from long ago...

That's what I would say as well.

Paul tells us this:
2Cr 5:8 We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

-Meaning, when a person "dies" physically they're either with the Lord, or they're in the place of torment, waiting for judgment.

Another example from scripture that denies the possibility for "ghosts" of dead people to haunt places, or wander around aimlessly:
Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

[paidforinfull]

Hi Jolie - when people die their spirits go to Sheol (the grave). It is impossible for them to cross over (unless God allows it as in the case of the witch of Endor - 1 Samuel 28 - the only case recorded in the Bible).

There are no such things as 'ghosts'.

What you saw was a demon, parading as a 'ghost'. Some people have the ability to see into the spiritual realm - I myself have seen demons (and smell, feel and hear them), but when I became a Christian I asked God not to show them to me unless absolutely necessary, and He has answered my prayer.

Hope this answers your question.
God bless.

[Partaker of Christ]

Hi Jolie

These 'ghosts' are what in scripture are called 'familiar spirits'.
They are not the spirits of the deceased person, but demonic spirits that are familiar with that person. These are what spirit mediums get their details from, when supposedly having made contact with a dead person.

Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

[Jolie76]

Interesting points, thanks everyone.
Yeah I was just saying since I moved to the West Coast I don't see them as often "ghosts" or whatever, but nix that heehe, But again I wasn't afraid in the least. Normally when it's a bad spirit or whatever there called I feel cold and scared and my heart pounds, but perhaps it's because I am not much older and know how to deal with them.
I actually want God to keep my eyes open I think it's a gift to see into the spiritual realm as long as it doesn't impact my life in any negative way. I want to know all I can that God will allow, I'm still not sure why I can see and hear these kinds of stuff but it's interesting.

*On a side note, I now always wear my cross necklace and I said to myself when I saw the ghost Jesus is with me etc. No fear and the thing didn't even look at me just went inside the set and was gone.

God sure does have a interesting world, So many things to learn. SO little time.

[paidforinfull]

Interesting points, thanks everyone.
Yeah I was just saying since I moved to the West Coast I don't see them as often "ghosts" or whatever, but nix that heehe, But again I wasn't afraid in the least. Normally when it's a bad spirit or whatever there called I feel cold and scared and my heart pounds, but perhaps it's because I am not much older and know how to deal with them.
I actually want God to keep my eyes open I think it's a gift to see into the spiritual realm as long as it doesn't impact my life in any negative way. I want to know all I can that God will allow, I'm still not sure why I can see and hear these kinds of stuff but it's interesting.

*On a side note, I now always wear my cross necklace and I said to myself when I saw the ghost Jesus is with me etc. No fear and the thing didn't even look at me just went inside the set and was gone.

God sure does have a interesting world, So many things to learn. SO little time.

Jolie, I think you should talk to the ministry team about your experiences.

To be able to 'see' into the spiritual realm is not necessarily a good thing, unless you are 'seeing' God-given visions. There is a lot I can say and teach you about this subject, but I honestly think you should first chat to the ministers.

God bless you.

[Bob Carabbio]

"it was not a apparition so to speak it was a half torso man I could clearly see, no bright light or whatever, he moved as if he was a whole body but the only part visble was his upper torso to his face, he wsa only side to and back to me, I never saw his face."

No problem - I have no question that you saw EXACTLY what you described. And I don't have any problem believing that you HAVE seen and will continue to see "spiritual manifestations". Some folks do, others (like myself) don't. There's a WHOLE BUNCH of Catholics that are convinced that "the Virgin Mary" has appeared to 'em. That's been going on for centuries. And they don't realize that it's only a "demonic phantasm" leading 'em around by the nose.

"Yes it was a deceased person, from the crew that died when the movie annie was being filmed."

That, however, is only your assumption based on YOUR personal beliefs, and a little unrelated information about what had happened at some point in the past. It's a perfectly typical "Entertainment Industry" explanation. There's an endless stream of phony "Ghost Whisperer" genre superstition flowing out of that industry every day, and has been since the industry was born.

So while you did "see" something, what actually happened was that you were being "Played with", and your superstitions were/are being "fed" and "Reinforced" by the enemy for purposes of his own. And it SOUNDS as though you've "bought into" his lie.

I'd suggest that INSTEAD - you begin to understand the phenomena in Biblical context, and understand that the "dear departed" don't "hang around" with "unfinished business" looking for the "light" to walk into!!! That's only Hollywood scripting, y'all. But some folks really do believe that garbage.

Bottom line - there are "evil spirits" that "get off" by messing with us humans, and feeding our superstitious beliefs. You've been "messed with".

[modanufu]

Hi Jolie,

A happy and blessed New Year to you!

I actually want God to keep my eyes open I think it's a gift to see into the spiritual realm as long as it doesn't impact my life in any negative way. I want to know all I can that God will allow, I'm still not sure why I can see and hear these kinds of stuff but it's interesting.

It's not wise to visit places of darkness and it is dangerous to be too curious. This is an area full of false suggestions, lies and other tricks of the enemy and you will never get any certainty about what you're really seeing. Let the apostle Paul give you sound advice (Philippians 4:8-9):

Whatsoever things are true,
whatsoever things are honest,
whatsoever things are just,
whatsoever things are pure,
whatsoever things are lovely,
whatsoever things are of good report;
if there be any virtue,
and if there be any praise,
think on these things.
Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do:
and the God of peace shall be with you.

And as my New Year wish for you I'll give you this one:

But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings (Malachi 4:2a).

Kind regards,
Dik

[shepherdsword]

Hi Jolie - when people die their spirits go to Sheol (the grave). It is impossible for them to cross over (unless God allows it as in the case of the witch of Endor - 1 Samuel 28 - the only case recorded in the Bible).

Hi paid4,

Was that the real witches spirit? I was always taught that it was a familiar spirit imitating her. I have seen demonic manifestations on a few occasions but I haven't for a long time.

[Athanasius]

Hi paid4,

Was that the real witches spirit? I was always taught that it was a familiar spirit imitating her. I have seen demonic manifestations on a few occasions but I haven't for a long time.

The text strongly suggests (and I agree) that it was indeed "the ghost of" (to use a misnomer) Samuel the prophet.

[paidforinfull]

Hi paid4,

Was that the real witches spirit? I was always taught that it was a familiar spirit imitating her. I have seen demonic manifestations on a few occasions but I haven't for a long time.

The Bible makes it very clear that the witch of Endor called up the prophet Samuel's spirit (I never implied that it was the witch's spirit which was called up - I merely said "as in the case of the witch of Endor", and I gave the relevant Scriptures. I apologize if I wasn't clear on this.).

Anyway, for clarity's sake, I will quote the Scriptures here (NAS):

1Samuel 28:11-20
11 Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?” And he said, “Bring up Samuel for me.” 12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice; and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul.” 13 The king said to her, “Do not be afraid; but what do you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I see a divine being coming up out of the earth.” 14 He said to her, “What is his form?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped with a robe.” And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and did homage.
15 Then Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” And Saul answered, “I am greatly distressed; for the Philistines are waging war against me, and God has departed from me and no longer answers me, either through prophets or by dreams; therefore I have called you, that you may make known to me what I should do.” 16 Samuel said, “Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has departed from you and has become your adversary? 17 “The LORD has done accordingly as He spoke through me; for the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, to David. 18 “As you did not obey the LORD and did not execute His fierce wrath on Amalek, so the LORD has done this thing to you this day. 19 “Moreover the LORD will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the LORD will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!”
20 Then Saul immediately fell full length upon the ground and was very afraid because of the words of Samuel; also there was no strength in him, for he had eaten no food all day and all night. 21 The woman came to Saul and saw that he was terrified, and said to him, “Behold, your maidservant has obeyed you, and I have taken my life in my hand and have listened to your words which you spoke to me.

God bless.