Calvinist renaissance?

[reformedct]

I haven't been too impressed with what I've heard about Mark Driscoll, and it ain't his theology.

http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/evang...rated-driscoll

http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/abomi...t-the-remnant/

hello whispering grace, i have listened to and learned much from Driscoll and have found that many of these types of claims have been very misleading and paint Driscoll to be something he is not. I would humbly ask that you visit his website at www.marshillchurch.org and listen to a few of his sermons yourself (a good one is the newest one, Trial and Sin) and then decide if what is reported about him is actually true.


it is very sad to see these kind of accusatory claims when i have sat under and learned so much from mark about Jesus and repentance and be willing to be persecuted for our faith.

as i said, and this goes for all, please watch at least 5 of mark driscolls sermons for yourself, and then come to your conclusion, rather than just going along with a website article. I am confident that you will see a man who loves Jesus who is being unfairly drawn as a villian in Christianity.

Mark walks a fine line between what is biblically acceptable and culturally relevant. I admit that occasionaly he sometimes goes to far but as i said for the most part he keeps it apporpriate. Sites like laodecia pick out and magnify all his worst moments and ignore his great contribution to thousands coming to know and love christ as lord and savior. Mark has openly admitted that he has said things he shouldnt have and has been progressively getting better at controlling his tounge. Much of the sex comments come from his preaching through the book of Song of Songs. However, prior to that, he preached through books such as revelations, genesis, corinthians, ephesians, john etc and many more. All he did was preach about what was written in Song of Songs, since no one else wanted to preach on it, and since American Christians had tons of questions on sex in the Christians life. Sex is a gift from God that we are to enjoy, and Mark went into detailed discussion on the subject, which i thank him for. it is very sad imo to see all those who would like to ignore Song of Songs to then come and accuse him of being a "rated R" preacher and all these things. He simply preaches the Bible. Song of Songs is a rated R book. Hebrew children where not even allowed to read it until they were older in Jewish times. The fact is, Mark has already finished that series and is now in 1st peter and people are still angry about the Song of Songs series

[mikebr]

What about my church, which is full of joyful, enthusiastic Arminian believers?

And what about Mormon churhes or JW's churches or buddhist temples for that matter.

[Whispering Grace]

hello whispering grace, i have listened to and learned much from Driscoll and have found that many of these types of claims have been very misleading and paint Driscoll to be something he is not. I would humbly ask that you visit his website at www.marshillchurch.org and listen to a few of his sermons yourself (a good one is the newest one, Trial and Sin) and then decide if what is reported about him is actually true.


it is very sad to see these kind of accusatory claims when i have sat under and learned so much from mark about Jesus and repentance and be willing to be persecuted for our faith.

as i said, and this goes for all, please watch at least 5 of mark driscolls sermons for yourself, and then come to your conclusion, rather than just going along with a website article. I am confident that you will see a man who loves Jesus who is being unfairly drawn as a villian in Christianity.

I have listened to stuff by him, and that is precisely why I did not go to the Song of Solomon conference near me, because he was the guest speaker (long before any of these sites spoke out against him).

He can be a man who loves Jesus (and even have the correct theology!) and still be wrong and need to repent.

[Athanasius]

I haven't been too impressed with what I've heard about Mark Driscoll, and it ain't his theology.

Take a second look at Mark Driscoll yourself, he's quite... Opposite of how he's portrayed (they are quite good at attacking his "earlier" years).

Mikebr, I don't understand your comment but it seems unnecessary, explain?

[reformedct]

I have listened to stuff by him, and that is precisely why I did not go to the Song of Solomon conference near me, because he was the guest speaker (long before any of these sites spoke out against him).

He can be a man who loves Jesus (and even have the correct theology!) and still be wrong and need to repent.

but if the book of Song of Songs is in the bible and it is about sex, why is it a sin to preach about sex biblicaly? the Song of Songs includes things like sensual dance, licking, etc. So why does someone need to repent for teaching what is in the Bible? just because the "Christian culture" would rather keep it on the hush? All Scripture is God breathed. The Bible is rated R. Prostitutes, betrayal, bloodshed, bloody murder, thieves, crooks, demons, Evil, destruction, war, incest, detailed sexual intimacy (song of songs etc.

[Whispering Grace]

but if the book of Song of Songs is in the bible and it is about sex, why is it a sin to preach about sex biblicaly? the Song of Songs includes things like sensual dance, licking, etc. So why does someone need to repent for teaching what is in the Bible? All Scripture is God breathed

Song of Solomon can be taught biblically without being pornographic or so explicit that it leads people to sin.

[Whispering Grace]

Take a second look at Mark Driscoll yourself, he's quite... Opposite of how he's portrayed (they are quite good at attacking his "earlier" years).

How is he different than how he is portrayed? The issues people have raised have been current issues.

[reformedct]

Song of Solomon can be taught biblically without being pornographic or so explicit that it leads people to sin.

but song of solomon IS pornographic AND explicit! lol

if song of songs was made into a movie it would probably be rated x

licking, nudity, tasting, arousal, chasing, sensual dancing

its in there

Mark did what other pastors were afraid to do. teach ALL of the Bible. as i said before he preached FOR YEARS prior to SOS on other books such as revelations, john, and anumerous other books FOR YEARS BEFORE SOS. then when he gets to the topic of sex everyone gets mad. Please show me how you read SOS straight off the page in a way that is not pornographic, seeing that it contains explicit nudity? those who sin sin because of their own sinful desires. Any pervert can be aroused by Song of Songs, it doesnt mean the book is perverted but the people are imo

[Athanasius]

Song of Solomon can be taught biblically without being pornographic or so explicit that it leads people to sin.

Apparently it can't.

[Whispering Grace]

but song of solomon IS pornographic AND explicit! lol

if song of songs was made into a movie it would probably be rated x

licking, nudity, tasting, arousal, chasing, sensual dancing

its in there

Mark did what other pastors were afraid to do. teach ALL of the Bible. as i said before he preached FOR YEARS prior to SOS on other books such as revelations, john, and anumerous other books FOR YEARS BEFORE SOS. then when he gets to the topic of sex everyone gets mad. Please show me how you read SOS straight off the page in a way that is not pornographic, seeing that it contains explicit nudity? those who sin sin because of their own sinful desires. Any pervert can be aroused by Song of Songs, it doesnt mean the book is perverted but the people are imo

Song of Solomon is pornographic? Are you serious?

I suppose you're telling me it's okay, then, for me to leave this site and go browse some porn sites? You might want to rethink what you just called God's holy Word (and the vile garbage you just compared it to.)

I repeat, Song of Solomon can be taught tastefully and respectfully without resorting to diving into the gutter for "shock value". My former pastor Tommy Nelson taught it beautifully and with reverence for God and His Word.

[Whispering Grace]

A letter from the Slice site:

Dear Mrs. Schlueter,
I wanted to thank you so much for your latest post exposing the foul-mouthed “pastor” Mark Driscoll. I am an 18 year old Christian young woman who has struggled with pornography. You have no idea what reading and watching Mark Driscoll’s material did for my spiritual life. I was instantly reminded by my sinful flesh just how much I enjoyed my despicable sin, and was repeatedly tempted so strongly that I had to stop reading his article. I should have been able to find refuge in a godly pastor’s words, not even more temptation. I should be made to think of Holy Scripture, not of the perverted images that I have a hard enough time trying to keep out of my mind.

“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Matthew 18:6

[Oma]

I believe what is called "Calvinism" though I don't like the label. I prefer to call it the Doctrines of Grace. Calvin after all didn't invent them as some who are not aware may think. To me the difference between Calvinism and Arminianism really has to with how we view God - either He is omnipotent and saves all His elect or He has to be disappointed because people won't "accept" His salvation.
I believe the Song of Solomon is to be understood spiritually as the older commentators agree with. To use it as a marriage manual makes me sick.

[9Marksfan]

What about my church, which is full of joyful, enthusiastic Arminian believers?

There's plenty of truth in Arminianism to be genuinely joyful about!

[maasive10]

Great topic - I would post but I would just be repeating what is written in my signature....