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    Question why dosent god remove demons from this world?

    if there is a god (im starting to believe) why dose he not remove all the hatred from this earth?

    it was said that god gave everyone free choice and the ability to choose good or bad. why keep the bad choice? why not show everyone the light and the error of their ways? even if someone asks to be shown the light and for evil to be removed from there body's and/or purified.He dose not do it.(not for me anyways)


    Why?

    And if he dose not do it,then how can i?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmaxell222 View Post
    if there is a god (im starting to believe) why dose he not remove all the hatred from this earth?
    He will.
    even if someone asks to be shown the light and for evil to be removed from there body's and/or purified.He dose not do it.(not for me anyways)
    "(im starting to believe)". Even in his home town, Jesus did not do many miracles because of their unbelief.
    On the other hand, Abraham was considered righteous BECAUSE of his belief.
    If you do not trust God, that means you are trusting in something other than God, be it yourself, some other human, or the devil himself. Place your trust and belief in God, and He will amaze you with His provision and protection for you.
    Keep in mind, though, that God does not necessarily remove obstacles and trials from us. But He does walk with us through them.
    The three Hebrew boys were commanded to worship a statue that Nebbechadnezar set up. They refused, and because they refused they were cast into a furnace. They told Nebby that their God was able to deliver them, and even if He didn't deliver them, they would not worship the statue. Nebby through them in. God did not prevent them from being thrown in, even though they believed in and trusted Him.
    But once in there, He protected them from the flames, and they came out not even smelling like smoke. God used that situation not only to strengthen the faith of those boys, but also as a testimony to His power. Nebby and everyone else knew God had protected them, and could plainly see that God was so much more powerful than their foolish statue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmaxell222 View Post
    if there is a god (im starting to believe) why dose he not remove all the hatred from this earth?

    it was said that god gave everyone free choice and the ability to choose good or bad. why keep the bad choice? why not show everyone the light and the error of their ways? even if someone asks to be shown the light and for evil to be removed from there body's and/or purified.He dose not do it.(not for me anyways)


    Why?

    And if he dose not do it,then how can i?
    I have good news for you -- there is a time yet to be when there will be no more tears, no sadness, no divorce. Abortion will end, homosexuality will end, no more drugs, death will no longer have dominion, a war to end all wars, our relationship will God will be restored and a new heaven/earth.

    Be patient, go into all the world and tell everyone the good news.

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    We are all experiencing some Grace as it is. Imagine what the world would be like if God allowed Humans to be as depraved as we are capable of being.
    That comes down to the fundamental question of why does God allow evil to exist. Which then begs the question, if God were to get rid of evil, who would be left, After all, our hearts are deceptively wicked.
    Demons exist because angels exist.
    Remember God created us to freely worship him, not give us only one choice.
    If God created everybody with only one choice, to worship him, where would the free will be?

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    He will.
    On the other hand, Abraham was considered righteous BECAUSE of his belief.

    If you do not trust God, that means you are trusting in something other than God, be it yourself, some other human, or the devil himself. Place your trust and belief in God, and He will amaze you with His provision and protection for you.
    Keep in mind, though, that God does not necessarily remove obstacles and trials from us. But He does walk with us through them.
    The three Hebrew boys were commanded to worship a statue that Nebbechadnezar set up. They refused, and because they refused they were cast into a furnace. They told Nebby that their God was able to deliver them, and even if He didn't deliver them, they would not worship the statue. Nebby through them in. God did not prevent them from being thrown in, even though they believed in and trusted Him.
    But once in there, He protected them from the flames, and they came out not even smelling like smoke. God used that situation not only to strengthen the faith of those boys, but also as a testimony to His power. Nebby and everyone else knew God had protected them, and could plainly see that God was so much more powerful than their foolish statue.
    so all i have to do is tell god i believe in him. and really believe in him and trust him and he will save whoever does that?

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    We are all experiencing some Grace as it is. Imagine what the world would be like if God allowed Humans to be as depraved as we are capable of being.
    That comes down to the fundamental question of why does God allow evil to exist. Which then begs the question, if God were to get rid of evil, who would be left, After all, our hearts are deceptively wicked.
    Demons exist because angels exist.
    Remember God created us to freely worship him, not give us only one choice.
    If God created everybody with only one choice, to worship him, where would the free will be?
    we still could choose what we wanted. we just woldent be able to choose anything bad. like if they wanted to go exploring and see the world they could or if they wanted to stay home and watch tv they could. there would still be free will even tho evil is no longer a problem right?

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    hey bud, check out this link. it goes to william lane craigs site, he's pretty much one of the most renoun christian apologists, and i like him alot. what he writes sometimes get's a bit heavy but it should help...

    http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/...rticle&id=5949

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmaxell222 View Post
    we still could choose what we wanted. we just woldent be able to choose anything bad. like if they wanted to go exploring and see the world they could or if they wanted to stay home and watch tv they could. there would still be free will even tho evil is no longer a problem right?
    Unfortunately, that is not the human condition. Throughout thousands of years, people have always chosen evil over good. In order for humans to choose good, there would have to be NO EVIL. In order for there to be no evil, the fall of man would have to be reversed. In order for the fall of man to be reversed, God would have to make man without a choice between, the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (what is the knowledge? The knowledge is knowing that you have been disobedient and permanently separated from God)
    If that were to happen then man would have no choice and would love God because they are without choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmaxell222 View Post
    if there is a god (im starting to believe) why dose he not remove all the hatred from this earth?

    it was said that god gave everyone free choice and the ability to choose good or bad. why keep the bad choice? why not show everyone the light and the error of their ways? even if someone asks to be shown the light and for evil to be removed from there body's and/or purified.He dose not do it.(not for me anyways)


    Why?

    And if he dose not do it,then how can i?

    The thing is we all have free will. God gave us that free will, so to remove the opportunity to hate others would require removing our free will. If the only option we have is to love, then that love is meaningless because it is no longer given freely.

    God wants us to love him and love each other, and for that love to matter it has to be given as a choice.

    God does give us strength to resist our old ways, but we still have freedom to choose. Let's take anger as an example - when we are following God we would normally expect to experience a lot less anger. It's still possible that something will catch us off-guard and provoke us to anger - that doesn't make it any less sinful but simply shows that we are human and when the pressure is on we don't always choose the right path. But once again, unless we have the freedom to take the wrong path then walking the right path ceases to be a meaningful activity.
    1Jn 4:1 NKJV Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

    1Th 5:21-22 NKJV Test all things; hold fast what is good. (22) Abstain from every form of evil.




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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmaxell222 View Post
    if there is a god (im starting to believe) why dose he not remove all the hatred from this earth?
    God's plan is to ultimately remove all evil and sin from His creation, but not until evil has run its course and served His purposes.

    The Bible says that this current world is under the control of satan (1 John 5:19) who is the "prince" or "god" of this world, so it's not surprising that evil dominates and demonic activity is rife (it will get much worse as we near the Lord's second coming).

    The Bible says that all people are sinners (Romans 3:23) and therefore ALL people are a source of sin or evil. So if God did what you wanted, guess what would happen to you, me and every other person on the planet? He would have to remove/destroy every single person from the earth to remove "hatred" from it. if you are not saved, I don't think that is an option you would particularly like.

    it was said that god gave everyone free choice and the ability to choose good or bad. why keep the bad choice? why not show everyone the light and the error of their ways? even if someone asks to be shown the light and for evil to be removed from there body's and/or purified.He dose not do it.(not for me anyways)


    Why?

    And if he dose not do it,then how can i?
    God gave man a will and the ability to choose wrong or right but unfortunately when man first sinned he became a servant/slave of sin (Rom 6:15-20) and so his will is not completely "free" since it's obvious that men, without divine illuimination will always choose sin and self over good and God.

    If someone is genuinely seeking God ("asks to be shown the light") then God will indeed reveal Himself to that person (indeed He already has through the creation and conscience (see Romans 1 & 2). But the question is why are you seeking God or what are your motives for seeking God?

    To the Jews He said:
    John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.

    To the religious leaders He said:
    John 7:34 You will seek Me and not find Me, and where I am you cannot come.”

    To His disciples He said:
    Lk 13:24 Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

    My point is that many people "seek" God or Christ but they don't necessarily find what they need (true salvation from sin) because their motives are selfish or impure or they want to come to God on their own terms, not His.

    If you are seeking God for forgiveness, then Jesus will reveal Himself to you because He came to "seek and to save that which is lost". In John 6:37 He said, "the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out". Those who receive Christ as their Saviour also receive the Holy Spirit which gives us the power to overcome sin in our lives and cleanse ourselves from all unrighteousness.

    Acknowledge that you are hopeless sinner (ie. you have broken God's law & cannot save yourself) and deserve God's just judgment for sin (death or eternal separation from Him). Repent and say you are sorry for your sin and that you don't want to live this way anymore (mean it don't just say it). Accept Jesus as the sinless Son of God and the only way of salvation since He paid the full punishment for your sins and mine when He suffered and died on the cross as our substitute. Acknowledge that He rose from the dead as proof of His deity, sinless life and perfect once for all sacrifice for sin that was accepatble to God the Father.

    Here is God's promise to you:
    Romans 10:9-10 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    Cheers
    Leigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmaxell222 View Post
    so all i have to do is tell god i believe in him. and really believe in him and trust him and he will save whoever does that?
    Not just that you believe in Him but that you believe He sent Jesus to pay for your sins and Jesus did that on the cross. Then Jesus rose from the grave, proving to all He has the power over death and the grave.

    There is a penalty for our sin. Jesus paid our debt to sin since we could not. Now your debt is paid if you accept Jesus as Lord of your life and one day you see the world you want so badly. The one where you will be completely free of evil.
    Quote Originally Posted by mrmaxell222 View Post
    we still could choose what we wanted. we just woldent be able to choose anything bad. like if they wanted to go exploring and see the world they could or if they wanted to stay home and watch tv they could. there would still be free will even tho evil is no longer a problem right?
    You will still be able to choose what you want but if you want to steer clear of evil you need to choose the things God wants, not what you want. See, when you accept His payment of sin you also need to realise you have been bought with that price. You would then belong to Him. This is not a bad thing at all as He takes care of what is His much better than we do

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