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    Forbidden foods and OT

    Some of my Muslim friends asked me,"why do Christians eat pork?It is forbidden in OT".

    I do not know how can I answer them.Please help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starlight777 View Post
    Some of my Muslim friends asked me,"why do Christians eat pork?It is forbidden in OT".

    I do not know how can I answer them.Please help.
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    Point them back to the teachings of Jesus Himself...

    He stated that 'it wasn't what into you that defiled' you.. as far as what you eat and drink..... what you eat/drink passes into your stomach and then out thru your intestines as waste..

    but He said it what 'comes out of your mouth'.. what you say.. this is what defiles you.. for from the mouth.. it comes from the Heart.. and from the heart proceeds the issues of life.... and these things proceed from it.........evil thoughts, adulteries, murders, lies, blasphmeies, etc....

    Its not what goes into you 'which ' defiles you.. but iwhat comes from your mouth... and every 'idle' word you speak.. shall be Judged on that last day...

    Thats why the Word says to Guard your heart.. and Guard your
    tongue.. espeically the tongue.. cause James reveals to us its an instrument that is set on fire from hell... which means it can do some very bad things when used in the wrong way...
    Many appear Righteous and Just because they say 'yes' to Jesus Christ , yet they don't do His Will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starlight777 View Post
    Some of my Muslim friends asked me,"why do Christians eat pork?It is forbidden in OT".

    I do not know how can I answer them.Please help.
    Here are a few verses I hope help...


    Acts 10:9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the
    city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10
    Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made
    ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a
    great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to
    the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild
    beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him,
    “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have
    never eaten anything common or unclean.” 15 And a voice spoke to him
    again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call
    common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into
    heaven again.


    Matthew 15:10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to
    them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a
    man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.” 12 Then His
    disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were
    offended when they heard this saying?” 13 But He answered and said,
    “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.
    14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind
    leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.” 15 Then Peter answered and
    said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.” 16 So Jesus said, “Are you also
    still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever
    enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those
    things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they
    defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders,
    adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are
    the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not
    defile a man.”


    Romans 14:1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes
    over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who
    is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who
    does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for
    God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his
    own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is
    able to make him stand.5 One person esteems one day above another;
    another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own
    mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who
    does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who
    eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat,
    to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.


    Hope this helps,
    KingFisher
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingFisher View Post
    Here are a few verses I hope help...


    Acts 10:9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the
    city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10
    Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made
    ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a
    great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to
    the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild
    beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him,
    “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have
    never eaten anything common or unclean.” 15 And a voice spoke to him
    again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call
    common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into
    heaven again.


    Matthew 15:10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to
    them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a
    man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.” 12 Then His
    disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were
    offended when they heard this saying?” 13 But He answered and said,
    “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.
    14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind
    leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.” 15 Then Peter answered and
    said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.” 16 So Jesus said, “Are you also
    still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever
    enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those
    things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they
    defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders,
    adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are
    the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not
    defile a man.”


    Romans 14:1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes
    over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who
    is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who
    does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for
    God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his
    own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is
    able to make him stand.5 One person esteems one day above another;
    another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own
    mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who
    does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who
    eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat,
    to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.

    Hope this helps,
    KingFisher

    Uh, Peter's vision, by his own admission, had absoltutely nothing to do with eating unclean foods. Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean

    Messiah's words to the Rabbis had absolutely nothing to do with clean/unclean foods in context. The issue was about washing hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emanate View Post
    Uh, Peter's vision, by his own admission, had absoltutely nothing to do with eating unclean foods. Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean

    Messiah's words to the Rabbis had absolutely nothing to do with clean/unclean foods in context. The issue was about washing hands.
    Uh...and Paul to the Romans...
    When I say... "I am a Christian", I'm not shouting "I'm clean livin."
    I'm whispering "I was lost, Now I'm found and forgiven".

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingFisher View Post
    Uh...and Paul to the Romans...

    Paul was speaking of judgment. Notice his use of vegetables, implying this has nothing to do with clean/unclean foods, but to the act of judging others by what they eat or do not eat.

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    Just tell your frined some Christians choose to ignore some of God's teachings in the OT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emanate View Post
    Uh, Peter's vision, by his own admission, had absoltutely nothing to do with eating unclean foods. Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean

    Messiah's words to the Rabbis had absolutely nothing to do with clean/unclean foods in context. The issue was about washing hands.
    I just don't agree that God would use an object in a vision to indicate
    something that was unclean certain foods / gentiles then say the gentiles
    are now clean but the vision I used to represent the clean is still unclean

    Will you hold my hand as you walk me through this...I don't want to
    stumble.
    When I say... "I am a Christian", I'm not shouting "I'm clean livin."
    I'm whispering "I was lost, Now I'm found and forgiven".

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingFisher View Post
    I just don't agree that God would use an object in a vision to indicate
    something that was unclean certain foods / gentiles then say the gentiles
    are now clean but the vision I used to represent the clean is still unclean

    Will you hold my hand as you walk me through this...I don't want to
    stumble.

    It can be confusing. However, according to Peter's words the proper interpretation of his dream was not call gentiles who were believers in Messiah "unclean". I would suppose he used foods in the dream itself as a way of getting his attention and driving home the point once the interpretation was revealed.

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    God never intended for Jews to consider Gentiles 'unclean.' Yet the concept was so embedded in them, the drastic measure of Peter's vision was necessary. Even then Peter had to ponder it and figure it out.

    No, the dream didn't mean God sanctioned lizards. That would be God changing His mind. But it did mean God sanctioned Gentiles to dine with Jews. That concept does NOT involve God changing His mind.

    Which makes more sense, the Greek interpretation that defies logic, or the resulting actions that Peter took from the vision - dining with Gentiles?

    It's a pretty easy evaluation for me. Do I do as God says, or as humans say? I give it to God every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    God never intended for Jews to consider Gentiles 'unclean.' Yet the concept was so embedded in them, the drastic measure of Peter's vision was necessary. Even then Peter had to ponder it and figure it out.

    No, the dream didn't mean God sanctioned lizards. That would be God changing His mind. But it did mean God sanctioned Gentiles to dine with Jews. That concept does NOT involve God changing His mind.

    Which makes more sense, the Greek interpretation that defies logic, or the resulting actions that Peter took from the vision - dining with Gentiles?

    It's a pretty easy evaluation for me. Do I do as God says, or as humans say? I give it to God every time.
    Changing his mind about what? God had already sanctioned all animals could be eaten through the covenant with Noah. The Israelites were under a special covenant at the time. God was demonstrating to Peter the same thing he had already demonstrated to Noah, that all foods were clean in his eyes(as long as eaten with prayer and thanksgiving..and of course being able to purify the food of any natural toxins and impurities) as he has always had the power to make those things deemed clean "unclean."

    The lesson was spiritual as well as physical with the Jews, if you look at the Pagan tribes that were present before God enacted his covenant with them they were doing all sorts of destable unclean things with animals, humans, etc. It was necessary to do a covenant with the Israelites to distinguish them from these really nasty Pagan tribes during the time. After prophecy had been fulfilled..Peter just saw what God had already stated to mankind many eons ago..Man has dominion over the earth and can eat and do anything he wants with the animals of the earth(within Godly reason)

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    The law was abolished in Christ's flesh for the born again.

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    How about Mt 6:25 -

    (Mat 6:25 NIV) "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes?


    Quote Originally Posted by starlight777 View Post
    Some of my Muslim friends asked me,"why do Christians eat pork?It is forbidden in OT".

    I do not know how can I answer them.Please help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukerboy View Post
    The law was abolished in Christ's flesh for the born again.
    It wasn't abolished..it was fulfilled. We follow the spirit now though, not the letter. Paul mentions that we should still continue to good, and that our walk should be in accordance with those things that are edifying to the body. This is not condusive to one living an anarchic life due to the faith they have in Christ. So don't be fooled, there is still good and evil, right and wrong. We should know these distinctions from what we were taught by the Torah, and they should be written in our hearts. If the basic tenant of the Torah(love) are not found within in our hearts, we should pray to God that he writes them in our hearts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Another_Guy View Post
    It wasn't abolished..it was fulfilled. We follow the spirit now though, not the letter. Paul mentions that we should still continue to good, and that our walk should be in accordance with those things that are edifying to the body. This is not condusive to one living an anarchic life due to the faith they have in Christ. So don't be fooled, there is still good and evil, right and wrong. We should know these distinctions from what we were taught by the Torah, and they should be written in our hearts. If the basic tenant of the Torah(love) are not found within in our hearts, we should pray to God that he writes them in our hearts.
    It was abolished.

    Ephesians 2:14-16
    For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

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