I'm reading thru the comments under this thread. I'm not done with them yet, but I see that you wrote
Please first, I apologise for the delay in response, but due to other commitments and travel, that will be regular.
"That is why I personaly don't subscribe to a "post Tribulation Rapture", but to a "pre-Tribulation Rapture"; as the Body of Christ (our Lord), is not destined for the Wrath of God against the nations who reject Him and His Christ! However, I digress!"
What do you think about the part as to "salvation"?
We are not appointed unto wrath - but salvation.
Yes, quite so! But, IMO a few groupings are mixed together in the reading of Revelation, by most people, and most teachers! I am not saying that I am right and they are wrong; but I believe they are!
Most of my lifetime has been spent endeavouring to unravel these things, and I am at peace now in what I believe I have been given.
That statement made; it will help you to understand a little of my zeal and certainty.
So - doesn't the church need to be here on the earth till the time comes for her salvation?
The "Church", the Body of Christ, has no connection with being on earth for Her Salvation!
That takes place at the time of every persons "sealing in heavenly places", as Paul said! If you mean It's "Culmination" or "Completion"; again, the only reason for being on earth, is because physical death has not overtaken the person/s; or the Father's Timing has not reached the crucial stage; as is the case at the Rapture!
The church gets salvation - and all of the wicked get God's wrath.
Rev. 11:18 shows that God's wrath won't begin till the 7th trumpet.
The following is my take on this, written 6 years ago:
Saying, "We give thee thanks Lord God the Almighty, Which art and wast; because Thou hast (a)taken thy great power, and reigneth.
And the nations have been full of wrath, (b)now your wrath is come, and the time of the (c)dead to be judged, and to give the (d)recompense to thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and to those that fear Thy name, small and great; and to (e)destroy thosethat destroy the earth."
(a) Taken thy great power to reign; this power has only been withheld because of timing on the main events, which progress toward the completion of the "mystery of God," (Rev. 10:7,) (see notesRev. 5:13 (b).
(b) "Now your wrath is come;" this is the wrath of God against all evil force on earth in human, demonic and Antichrist forms. It will vanquish all forms of anti-God and anti-Christ forces in whatever form. It has been long withheld to allow all events and methods of Satan to reach themaximum permissible within the scope of the ages. Its ending, with the Almighty's contending Wrath against the nations, coincides with the rescue of the remnant of Israel (Isa. 11,) which redeems His promise, that Israel will never cease to be a people on the earth (Gen. 12:2,) (Gen. 15:18,) (Ex. 6:4-8,) (Deut. 11:21,) (Deut. 32:9,) (Deut. 32:43,) (Psm. 105,) (Isa. 66:22,) (Jer. 31:35-37.)
There are many commentators that say this "wrath" is aimed at Israel! When one takes into account Isa.13, (which is related directly to Revelation in prophecy,) and particularly verse 11, " the world" is mentioned specifically! Also, verse 4 and 13 state "the Lord of Hosts," correctly translated "Jehovah Zebaoth," (God of all the World, and its peoples!,) not just the God of Israel!
(c) "Dead to be Judged;" does this statement refer to all the dead who have ever lived? Almost certainly not. The culmination described above relates to timing linked to Israel and the nations (Gentiles.) The judgement is certainly that of the dead Jews (Ezk. 37,) who have been resurrected (Dan. 12:2) (Dan. 12:13,) and probably the raising of "the just," (Luke 14:14,) which probably includes Jew and Gentile, and would seem to accord with Rev. 20: 4-6. This resurrection is the one to hope for by people not of the Body of Christ, as the blessings in Millennial are great, and the second death "has no power over them," (Rev. 20:6.)
(d) "Recompense;" this word has the flavour of "reward," which is the word used by the Interlinear. Recompense has also "compensation," in its meaning. Those listed, the "prophets," "the saints,""those that fear (revere) thy name, small and great," covers many peoples and the categories areknown in truth only by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
(e) "Destroy those that destroy the earth;" this, and many other hard and firm statements in Scriptureare not easily accepted by Christendom currently, because of the many false teachings around the world propagating the "gentle Jesus," myth. There is no doubt that our Lord is the most gentleSaviour, but Christ (The Anointed of Jehovah) has to deal with the evil of which most people areunaware, and in the timing of Jehovah (Rev. 6,) that dealing leading to the ultimate conquering ofSatan is underway. In that context, Satan expected the victory when Christ died on the accursedtree, but instead Christ gained victory over death, and became the first fruit of propitiation (thesaved) to the Father, (Jehovah God.) In this knowledge, Satan, who knows The Word, laid plans,and has the freedom to attempt to eliminate Israel. If this attempt succeeds he has thevictory.Satan's strategy is:-
1) To obtain the knowledge of creation (Jer. 31:35-37,) (this has been sought avidly by science since approx. AD 1850.)
2) To destroy the earth by degradation of all means. (This has accelerated since the start of the Industrial revolution.)
3) To destroy Israel. (This has increased in intensity since the 2nd. world war.)
4) To destroy faith in God/ Christ. (Satan has permit to do his best/worst, to kill or prevent belief, faith, or love in Christ!)
All of these are in progress at present, and in V.18 all the destroying agencies, people, demons and methods are destroyed, (Zech. 13:2.) This must take place, together with Satan's binding, prior tothe regeneration of the earth by Jehovah Zebaoth, and the 1000 year reign of Jehovah / Christ.
Rev. 12 and Rev. 7 show that the martrys all come out of the great tribulation time first/
they loved not their lives unto the death
My take on Rev. 12: Rev Chapter 12
My take on Rev. 7: Rev Chapter 7
Rev. 7 shows the great tribulation martyrs before the 7th seal is opened.
1 Peter 1:9
"Receiving the end of your faith. even the salvation of your souls."
As mentioned; Groups are mixed together!